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Yggdrasil BDE Type 2 (God of War)

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Sniper670 said:
"it doesn't need full qualitative superiority"
What does that even mean? Elaborate

Name anyone on wiki who have BDE 2 accepted without being low 1C and up,as the idea of type 2 is superiority. It needs superiority and that's what makes it distinct from type 1. It didn't say independence or superiority but independence and superiority.
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Uhhh... Again and again, BDE doesn't need a qualitative superiority or higher dimensions.
 
Robo said:
i think what gasper is saying that you need to become 1-A to have BDE which were the old rules??? because it quite literally means 'beyond dimensional' which means 1-A
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That's not what am saying but whatever
 
Anyway... Is more staff needed or are the views of 2 mods sufficient? There doesn't seem to be any disagreed here.
 
I abhor tier 1, I was the one who originally downgraded yggdrasil way back when it was tier 1. I know nothing about this ability or what it really entails nor do I have any interest in it, but as of now there are 266 characters on the wiki who currently have this ability. I have looked through a majority of them (I may have missed one) but every single profile that has this ability listed is tier 1. If this is to be passed this will be the only profile on the site that will have this ability that is exclusively not tier 1 (to my knowledge). Either yggdrasil doesn't really fit the bill for this ability or the entire situation needs to be looked over imo.
 
Aetheric Pariah said:
I abhor tier 1, I was the one who originally downgraded yggdrasil way back when it was tier 1. I know nothing about this ability or what it really entails nor do I have any interest in it, but as of now there are 266 characters on the wiki who currently have this ability. I have looked through a majority of them (I may have missed one) but every single profile that has this ability listed is tier 1. If this is to be passed this will be the only profile on the site that will have this ability that is exclusively not tier 1 (to my knowledge). Either yggdrasil doesn't really fit the bill for this ability or the entire situation needs to be looked over imo.
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I also checked that. The consistent pattern is not that they are tier 1 per sé, but they are tier 1 because they have some kind of space-time transcendence.

Majority of the pages are SMT and SCP, both 1-A and above verses, with SCP having the justification that their realm is above the dimensions and limits of space-time and stuff along those lines.

Edit: Also, those pages were the ones that got affected after the BDE revisions of last year. I researched the topic. They had the old definition of BDE, when type 3 was for 1-A stuff and bs like that, which we got rid off after the revision, Type 0 and 1 merging, as well as type 2 and 3 merging.
 
Aetheric Pariah said:
I abhor tier 1, I was the one who originally downgraded yggdrasil way back when it was tier 1. I know nothing about this ability or what it really entails nor do I have any interest in it, but as of now there are 266 characters on the wiki who currently have this ability. I have looked through a majority of them (I may have missed one) but every single profile that has this ability listed is tier 1. If this is to be passed this will be the only profile on the site that will have this ability that is exclusively not tier 1 (to my knowledge). Either yggdrasil doesn't really fit the bill for this ability or the entire situation needs to be looked over imo.
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Uhhh... BDE doesn't really work like that. If you read the BDE page or look at Everything12's notes, you will understand that no qualitative transcendence or Tier 1 is required for BDE Type 2.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
I also checked that. The consistent pattern is not that they are tier 1 per sé, but they are tier 1 because they have some kind of space-time transcendence.

Majority of the pages are SMT and SCP, both 1-A and above verses, with SCP having the justification that their realm is above the dimensions and limits of space-time and stuff along those lines.

Edit: Also, those pages were the ones that got affected after the BDE revisions of last year. I researched the topic. They had the old definition of BDE, when type 3 was for 1-A stuff and bs like that, which we got rid off after the revision, Type 0 and 1 merging, as well as type 2 and 3 merging.
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It's downright uncanny and impossible to ignore the correlation between the ability and the tiering. I've seen comments on this thread talking about how yggdrasil isn't tier 1 with this much info for it as well. It's just weird seeing yggdrasil being thrown through so many hoola hoops to be kept lower than tier 1 when other verses use the exact same arguments to be so. This isn't me agreeing or disagreeing with the ability addition since I already said I know nothing about it, nor is this me advocating for Yggdrasil to be tier 1 again. Just that the whole thing is weird to me, and I just want some formal statement from someone in the know as to why Yggdrasil would be getting this ability or why it's being withheld from being tier 1 with this much info in mind.
 
Aetheric Pariah said:
It's downright uncanny and impossible to ignore the correlation between the ability and the tiering. I've seen comments on this thread talking about how yggdrasil isn't tier 1 with this much info for it as well. It's just weird seeing yggdrasil being thrown through so many hoola hoops to be kept lower than tier 1 when other verses use the exact same arguments to be so. This isn't me agreeing or disagreeing with the ability addition since I already said I know nothing about it, nor is this me advocating for Yggdrasil to be tier 1 again. Just that the whole thing is weird to me, and I just want some formal statement from someone in the know as to why Yggdrasil would be getting this ability or why it's being withheld from being tier 1 with this much info in mind.
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That I cannot argue in good conscience. However, everything I've seen on the topic points that gaining type 2 is possible without Yggdrasil (or anything else, for that matter) getting into tier 1.

Again, I could be wrong, which is why I suggest asking a tiering expert.
 
Aetheric Pariah said:
It's downright uncanny and impossible to ignore the correlation between the ability and the tiering. I've seen comments on this thread talking about how yggdrasil isn't tier 1 with this much info for it as well. It's just weird seeing yggdrasil being thrown through so many hoola hoops to be kept lower than tier 1 when other verses use the exact same arguments to be so. This isn't me agreeing or disagreeing with the ability addition since I already said I know nothing about it, nor is this me advocating for Yggdrasil to be tier 1 again. Just that the whole thing is weird to me, and I just want some formal statement from someone in the know as to why Yggdrasil would be getting this ability or why it's being withheld from being tier 1 with this much info in mind.
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So... I agree with you on these issues and it bothers me too. But this need not be discussed in this revision. Let's not go off the rails. One day their time will come.
 
I’m confused as to how this isn’t just flat out low 1-C, but I guess the ability is fine. I agree for what it’s worth
 
Hasty12345 said:
I’m confused as to how this isn’t just flat out low 1-C, but I guess the ability is fine. I agree for what it’s worth
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Cursed size comparison statement got negged. That's why we lost Low 1-C. And we'll never get it back. EVER. Unless Athena does some shit.
 
Aetheric Pariah said:
It's downright uncanny and impossible to ignore the correlation between the ability and the tiering. I've seen comments on this thread talking about how yggdrasil isn't tier 1 with this much info for it as well. It's just weird seeing yggdrasil being thrown through so many hoola hoops to be kept lower than tier 1 when other verses use the exact same arguments to be so. This isn't me agreeing or disagreeing with the ability addition since I already said I know nothing about it, nor is this me advocating for Yggdrasil to be tier 1 again. Just that the whole thing is weird to me, and I just want some formal statement from someone in the know as to why Yggdrasil would be getting this ability or why it's being withheld from being tier 1 with this much info in mind.
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Blame Ultima, the other staff member and their arbitrary standards for Tier 1. It is what it is.

Such abilities are now being reduced to less than nothing, not even filler pages at this point.
 
KLOL506 said:
Blame Ultima, the other staff member and their arbitrary standards for Tier 1. It is what it is.

Such abilities are now being reduced to less than nothing, not even filler pages at this point.
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Actually, his reproach is that verses with less statement than us are Low 1-C, but we are not Low1-C. So if that's the case, either we must upgrade or they must be nuked but IDK. My current focus is on this revision.
 
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Aetheric Pariah said:
It's downright uncanny and impossible to ignore the correlation between the ability and the tiering. I've seen comments on this thread talking about how yggdrasil isn't tier 1 with this much info for it as well. It's just weird seeing yggdrasil being thrown through so many hoola hoops to be kept lower than tier 1 when other verses use the exact same arguments to be so. This isn't me agreeing or disagreeing with the ability addition since I already said I know nothing about it, nor is this me advocating for Yggdrasil to be tier 1 again. Just that the whole thing is weird to me, and I just want some formal statement from someone in the know as to why Yggdrasil would be getting this ability or why it's being withheld from being tier 1 with this much info in mind.
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The reason why a lot of profile with bde is tier 1 is because of how it is before it was revised
There were 3 types
Type 0
Type 1
Type 2
Type 1 and 2 got merged
While type 0 became type 1
And originally it requires to be qualitatively superior for type 1 and 2 of the old one. Hence all profile is tier 1

And lastly there hasn't been much revision regarding bde for profile even after its revision due to how unpopulat or how most people dont really understand it
 
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