Yet another MCU CRT

[AshenCrow777]

Also Tony wasn't holding back against bucky the guy was going to shoot him point blank with a missile to the face. It makes sense for his repulsor blast to have been deadly too and it wouldn't be the first Steve tanked deadly energy blast I mean he tanked a chitauri staff energy blast in the gut.


The same weapon that Natasha used completely demolished a chitauri. And these things do a lot of damage.

 

[Planck69]

Lets not forget Nat saying the Tasseract can wipe out the planet's surface

Tony also claims that enough energy to destroy a continent was coursing through the Nano-Gauntlet before Hulk uses it and survives just fine. Without anything more concrete, we can't just upgrade characters off of statements like this when they are clearly either hyperbole or flowery language. Not only that but it would be a massive outlier given the almost overly abundant and consistent High 7-C to 7-B showings of the high and top-tiers.

But let's say that it did actually have the power to do that on it's own. It doesn't necessarily mean that durability would scale and as such, the top-tiers wouldn't scale to anything from destroying it.

 

[The_Impress]

That Black Widow statement is the biggest BS I've ever heard, we're not going to scale characters to what could clearly be hyperboles.

They have to show feats to do this shit themselves

 

[AshenCrow777]

Lets not forget Nat saying the Tasseract can wipe out the planet's surface

A bifrost left opened can do the same thing, it's the whole reason why Thor had to destroy it in the first movie, because Loki was going to use it to literally destroy Jotunheim.

And yes it's combat applicable but it can't be left open for to long so that's why it's used as an opening move king bor, Odin and Thor all literally used it like that and it does damage people and scorch the area around it.


Also Cap was able to go against multiple outriders in infinity war the same ones that can damage an upgraded hulk buster.

 

[Revan_Laha]

Tony also claims that enough energy to destroy a continent was coursing through the Nano-Gauntlet before Hulk uses it and survives just fine. Without anything more concrete, we can't just upgrade characters off of statements like this when they are clearly either hyperbole or flowery language. Not only that but it would be a massive outlier given the almost overly abundant and consistent High 7-C to 7-B showings of the high and top-tiers.

But let's say that it did actually have the power to do that on it's own. It doesn't necessarily mean that durability would scale and as such, the top-tiers wouldn't scale to anything from destroying it.

No. I mean that Tasseract can give out enough energy to destroy NYC without getting damaged. We already saw Red Skull making such bombs

 

[Revan_Laha]

Destroying NYC and Seoul is just 7-A only. So its actually consistent

 

[Revan_Laha]

The 7-B feats are very casual

 

[The_Impress]

How the hell would that scales to durability then? Do you know you can smash Uranium very easily? It wouldn't scale in any meaningful way to the cast. It's a power source ffs, human body can yield 9-A results upon complete utilization, we're not using that, are we now?

 

[AshenCrow777]

Didn't red skull literally use the power of the Tasseract to well... Weaponized everything in ww2? And yeah the plane cap put in the ocean. Was filled with bombs that were powered and fueled by the cube.


He was going to bomb all the other countries in the world with a single plane filled with a fre bombs that had incredible destruction capabilities.

 

[The_Impress]

How the hell would that scales to durability then?

I need this answer before you continue to feed this nonsensical hypothetical

 

[AshenCrow777]

Also Planck you clearly left a lot of things out of context Hulk survived because the energy coursing threw the Nano gauntlet was Gamma radiation Aside from Thor with is God physiology that could have helped (but was in no shape to do so) only Hulk could have done it.

We clearly saw what happened to Tony when he just put it on that shit turned half of his body into charcoal.

 

[Revan_Laha]

The Tasseract is an energy source. Its an Infinity Stone contained in a case. Red Skull managed to draw out enough energy from the stone without damaging the case. Its like a torchlight. The glass certainly has to be durable enough to channel the energy without melting

 

[Planck69]

The 7-B feats are very casual

Then I guess all humans with knowledge on welding are 7-A since they can cut through nuclear weapons. And what do you mean casual? The only 7-B feats we have is performed by a prime Thor that was definitely taking the situation seriously and a Surtur that wasn't really joking around either.

 

[AshenCrow777]

Yup the glass was used to contain the space tone every infinity stone we saw so far had a sort of container to retain their powers.


Thanos in infinity war casually broke that container like it was nothing.

 

[AshenCrow777]

Surtur that wasn't really joking around either.
Sutur was clearly joking around he was literally having a blast and laughing like a maniac and just swinging his sword left and right.

 

[Planck69]

Also Planck you clearly left a lot of things out of context Hulk survived because the energy coursing threw the Nano gauntlet was Gamma radiation Aside from Thor with is God physiology that could have helped (but was in no shape to do so) only Hulk could have done it.
We clearly saw what happened to Tony when he just put it on that shit turned half of his body into charcoal.

You do know that it's still a claim of 6-A energies moving through his body right? It being gamma doesn't somehow make it something that can't scale to power output. If we take the claim seriously then it's still Hulk tanking continent level gamma radiation. It being in tune iwith him doesn't channge that at all.

 

[AshenCrow777]

Also the MCU have comics tie ins that are Canon to the movies and expand the lore

 

[The_Impress]

The Tasseract is an energy source. Its an Infinity Stone contained in a case. Red Skull managed to draw out enough energy from the stone without damaging the case. Its like a torchlight. The glass certainly has to be durable enough to channel the energy without melting

I'm sorry, that ridiculous method of making up BS feats for the sake of making them is why MCU got wanked 2 entire tiers across. What if the glass redirects energy? What if it does 50 different thing rather than just tank it, like redistribute it as heat, or channel it.

It doesn't scale. The end. Stop making shit up to wank your characters.

 

[AshenCrow777]

Dude could you calm the **** down Jesus.

 

[The_Impress]

I'm pretty calm tbh, sorry if that sounded aggressive ig

 

[AshenCrow777]

These are all the comics officially licensed by marvel themselves and considered Canon to the movies basically all mcu movies from the first iron to endgame.

And the first comics came out on 2008 along side the first Iron to help tie in the Avengers.

Iron Man: I Am Iron Man! #1-2 (Iron Man adaptation, new material) Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. #1 Iron Man 2: Public Identity #1-3 Captain America: First Vengeance #1-4 The Avengers Prelude: Fury's Big Week #1-4 The Avengers: Black Widow Strikes #1-3 Iron Man 2 Adaptation #1-2 (Iron Man 2 adaptation, new material) Iron Man 3 Prelude #1-2 Thor Adaptation #1-2 (Thor adaptation, no new material) Thor: The Dark World Prelude #1-2 Captain America: The First Avenger Adaptation #1-2 (Captain America: The First Avenger adaptation, no new material) Captain America: The Winter Soldier Infinite #1 Guardians of the Galaxy ― Dangerous Prey Infinite #1 Guardians of the Galaxy Prelude #1-2 The Avengers Adaptation #1-2 (The Avengers adaptation, no new material) Avengers: Age of Ultron ― This Sceptre'd Isle Infinite #1 Ant-Man Prelude #1-2 Ant-Man ― Scott Lang: Small Time Infinite #1 Captain America: Civil War Prelude #1-4 (Iron Man 3/Captain America: The Winter Soldier adaptation, no new material) Captain America: Civil War Prelude Infinite #1 Doctor Strange Prelude #1-2 Doctor Strange Prelude ― The Zealot Infinite #1 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 Prelude #1-2 (Guardians of the Galaxy adaptation, no new material) Spider-Man: Homecoming Prelude #1-2 (Captain America: Civil War adaptation, new material) Thor: Ragnarok Prelude #1-4 (The Incredible Hulk/Thor: The Dark World adaptation, no new material) Black Panther Prelude #1-2 Avengers: Infinity War Prelude #1-2 (some Captain America: Civil War adaptation, mostly new material) Ant-Man and the Wasp Prelude #1-2 (Ant-Man adaptation) Captain Marvel Prelude #1 Avengers: Endgame Prelude #1-3 (Avengers: Infinity War adaptation) Spider-Man: Far From Home Prelude #1-2 (Spider-Man: Homecoming adaptation) (future releases: March 27 and April 24)

 

[Planck69]

While I agree that we shouldn't get too heated, Zark has a point. The Tesseract could have been made of a material that just conducts and distributes the stone's energy for all we know. Unless proof that it can tank the energy of the space stone is brought forward it shouldn't scale. At best, it could serve as a supporting feat for Thanos 7-B key since he destroys the Tesseract when none of the AoU Avengers could even damage it.

 

[The_Impress]

@AshenCrow777 Those will be Secondary Canon according to our Cano page. Powers and stats not introduced within the primary continuity aren't allowed to be extracted from said sources.


At best these could be used to support existing stats

 

[The_Impress]

Anyhow, have the changes discussed in the OP been carried out?

If so, is there anything left to discuss strictly pertaining to the topic of the OP?

 

[Planck69]

Secondary Canon. We use it to provide support to the statistics of the characters but they should in no way act as the main source of them.

 

[AshenCrow777]

But they were made side by side with the movies, hell the reason why Tony has the awesome new armor is because it was taken straight from the story board in the comics.

Later on developed in the concept art department to finally be put on the big screen.

 

[The_Impress]

That still makes it secondary canon.

It isn't ever referenced in the movies in any sort of significant way, other than as a homage at the absolute best.

 

[Revan_Laha]

Also Wanda's power was literally stated to be comparable to the Mind Stone

 

[Revan_Laha]

Why can't the 200 PW lasers be considered canon?

 

[Planck69]

Also Wanda's power was literally stated to be comparable to the Mind Stone

It was stated that the nature of her power and it's similarity to that of the Mind Stone would allow her to destroy it not that she outright scaled.

 

[Planck69]

Why can't the 200 PW lasers be considered canon?

Was it in the tie-in comics? If so, read the above posts.

 

[The_Impress]

About the Wanda thing:

• It is implied to be far superior the entire cast's capabilities, because it implies Thanos could've just broken the stones himself, which he clearly couldn't. Hell, it is implied multiple times Wanda is the only one could've done it. So it shouldn't scale, no matter what, since it's a straight up outlier, canonically as well since she's completely exherting herself here and has a strong emotional reaction.
• She did it overtime, so... still doesn't scale...

Also, back to my previous question. Have the changes in the OP been applied

 

[Revan_Laha]

The comics are supposed to provide additional off-screen information. It that case the lasers can be used since it doesn't contradict other feats

 

[AshenCrow777]

That still makes it secondary canon.

It isn't ever referenced in the movies in any sort of significant way, other than as a homage at the absolute best.

It's not referenced in the movie because there's no need to all Tony says is a comment about how it worked and something else, also there was more pressing matters at hand.

And marvel expects us to get all the details from the comic's there's a reason why they release them before the next movie drops in and they are heavily based on the scripts.


Anyway bifrost is combat applicable like I said King Bor, Odin, and Thor all used it has an opening move to carry their army in and use has an opening attack (but leaving it open for to long can blow up the planet) heck Loki was going to nuke Jotunheim with it.

Also the dual rifle guy literally cleaved a dragon's head of its body after closing prematurely.

And let's not forget when Odin used it to BFR Thor (After banishing) and BFR Mjolnir too.

Asgardian royalty (specifically Odin, Bor, Thor) were shown to be able to manipulate the Bifrost in anyway they want.

And Heimdall also used it to BFR Hulk to earth. These are enough showing to prove its combat applicable.

 

[The_Impress]

Before replying. Tell me how does this relate to the OP? If it doesn't, it's derailment for derailment's sake. The thread has ended, this is pointless now

 

[AshenCrow777]

Before replying. Tell me how does this relate to the OP? If it doesn't, it's derailment for derailment's sake. The thread has ended, this is pointless now

I was replying more specifically to Pen or was it SuperAPM.

And it does relate to OP since bifrost had the power to destroy Jotunheim (or any other planet of the nine realm for that matter) and Thor can weild the bifrost as he wishes so he needs an higher Stat saying Higher(with bifrost) or something like that.

 

[AshenCrow777]

The Bifrost was also able to be called upon using dark magic and was also imbued into Stormbreaker, allowing its wielder and any in its vicinity to access the bridge at any time. The immense dimensional energy, given enough concentration, could also be used to destroy planets.

The same dark energy that is his expanded on in doctor strange and said to do ridiculous thing like ancient one said she uses the dark dimensions dark magic to do ridiculous things and boost herself.

 

[The_Impress]

The OP was about Iron man upgrades. Make your own thread for Bifrost or whatever.

I don't want this derailed now, I'm being serious

 

[AshenCrow777]

How is it getting derailed when you literally said the thread was over?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

It seems that what is left to diwcuws is potential feats higher than 7B, and whether Captain America should be 8B. Should I makr another thread for these 2 issues?