X-Men Revisions #1

[The_Impress]

Beast

• Acrobatics sca
• Hacking (As shown here)
• Pressure Points (As show here)
• Preparation
• Optional Equipment grants him
  • Matter Transmutation Ray (As shown here)
  • Time Travel (Constructed a palm-sized time travel device)
  • Solar System level with the Phoenix Gun, Took out a Doctor Doom-possessed Ego the Living Planet and Wolverine
  • Magnetism Manipulation (As shown here)
  • Size Manipulation using Pym Particles
  • Shapeshifting using Image Inducer

Gambit

• Resistance to Mind Manipulation (As explained here)
• Explosion Manipulation (An example here)
• Damage Boost (Can charge his weapons to increase their strength)
• Technology Manipulation? (Powers an Iron Man suit through his own energy)
• Light Manipulation (As shown here)
• Social Influencing (Charms an enemy)
• Martial Arts scan: Master of Savate
• Weapon Mastery (Expert Marksman as well)
• Stealth Mastery (Sneaks into a Weapon X facility as a teenager, broke into Tony Stark's penthouse)
• Hacking (As shown here)

Full Power Gambit Abilities

• Deconstruction (On a molecular level using a fission field)
• His 4-B feat is actually scaling from an alt universe Gambit who he fought, called New Sun: Feat here, the profile should make note of this
• Current listed abilities are actually kinda wrong, they come from New Sun, an alt Gambit, but said alt is actually amped by another source, so Gambit being able to replicate his powers are speculative, the 4-B can stay because he fought this alt version at full potential tho

Horseman of Death Abilities

• Air Manipulation (Can turn air within someone's lings into noxious gas)
• Darkness Manipulation and Sealing (As shown here)
• Mind Manipulation is actually Corruption (Type 3)?

Havok

• Self-Sustenance (Type 1) and Statistics Amplification (Using absorbed energy)
• Havok is far superior to his brother, actually, and as such, via blasts he should be 4-B
  • Can hurt the Hulk and Apocalypse. Sent Juggernaut flying and damaged the Gladiator

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'm fine with the suggested Beast and Gambit stuff (besides Tech manipulation) but not Havok.

Can hurt the Hulk

This is Professor Hulk, who's weaker than Savage Hulk.

and Apocalypse.

Apocalypse was uninjured and immediately went back to doing stuff.

Sent Juggernaut flying

So has Venom and lesser characters. Staggering someone is not enough to scale up

and damaged the Gladiator

Gladiator is trash for scaling. Cannonball has hurt him before and he's consistently inconsistent.

 

[The_Impress]

Gambit is still affecting Iron Man's tech in the provided scan

Professor Hulk isn't overwhelmingly weaker than base Hulk, the only major factor is him not being able to stat amp, Apocalypse still was noted to be affected, and Cannonball surprisingly has more consistency at harming 4-Bs with significant momentum. Havok is just a weaker 4-B, but 4-B nonetheless.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Gambit is still affecting Iron Man's tech in the provided scan

By powering it, which does not fall under Tech Manipulation to my knowledge.

Professor Hulk isn't overwhelmingly weaker than base Hulk

He's portrayed as being much weaker than Savage Hulk and has worse showings outside of power scaling.

Apocalypse still was noted to be affected

Staggering someone for a couple second is not reason to scale up to 4-B when that's a major issue in comics to the point of being addressed in out Marvel/DC scaling page.

Gladiator still has the large scaling issues that I don't agree as using him for justification for anything.

 

[Eficiente]

• Some of the images are fuzzy but readable.

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• Explosion Manipulation: The example could be better.
• Damage Boost: That would be Statistics Amplification. The former has a condition to be met, the condition here is he amping those things. If one wanted to, they could make it look like Empowerment too, which would also be wrong.

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• Very iffy on the scaling to his blasts.

The rest is all good.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I'm fine with the Beast and Gambit stuff but not sure on 4-B blasts for Havok too.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Speaking of Havok literally all of his stats are unjustified, needs to be fixed.

 

[The_Impress]

Havok seemingly has no other scaling or stats for his powers, him and Cyclops can't harm each other anyways so scaling them to each other is presumptuous on our end, especially given that within the context of the comics Havok is potrayed as being more impressive in terms of raw power.

@Qaw Professor Hulk is treated on par with other 4-Bs, and given his other feats the staggering is something to be noted.

@Efi I'll like a better example I suppose, but it is very clearly Explosion Manip nonetheless.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Are there any speed feats/scaling for Havok?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Staggering should never be used as a metric for scaling comic characters. It's far to common, doesn't require that much force in the first place, and leads to massive inconsistencies if taken as a actual feat.

 

[The_Impress]

Fine, I concede to your point, but then I'd prefer if he's listed Unknown rather than Cyclops' tier.

I'll add the rest of the revisions while this is discussed.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Havok harmed Thor, does this work?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

If 4-B doesn't work he can be 5-A for destroying a monster Colossus couldn't harm.

 

[Antvasima]

What the other staff members have all accepted can probably be applied.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Havok harmed Thor, does this work?

He didn't harm Thor. He just blasted him back, which is what happened with Juggernaut and Apoc.

5-A scaling is fine with me.

 

[Antvasima]

So should we proceed with the accepted revisions?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Zark already applied everything other than Havok which is still being discussed (Zark still thinks he should be 4-B).

 

[The_Impress]

I'm fine with 5-A I suppose

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I guess it can be applied then.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. That is probably fine.