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Writing Discussion Thread

Guys, where should I post my webnovel? Any recommendations?

I thought about posting it on webnovel but there are many controversies surrounding it, and I don't want my work to be messed with after I stop writing it.
 
I don't know myself, but I could find this discussion about sites that could be good.

Something similar happened to me. But I brought out the demon king of confusion, who infact, was the reason that the story itself had been rewritten. So yeah, if you can't fix it, make a plot hole that is a bigger plot hole. Same characters, different development.
I think that's called Voodoo shark, lol. In the end I managed to reinsert her, but with some changes. All in all good thing,
 
Decided to attempt to revive this thread because I’m bored with some questions. How do you guys write hyper intelligent characters if at all? And how would you rank their intelligence level if you had to?
 
Decided to attempt to revive this thread because I’m bored with some questions. How do you guys write hyper intelligent characters if at all? And how would you rank their intelligence level if you had to?
1: look at media like Death Note our Your Throne for inspiration. Keep in mind hyper intelligent characters think far ahead and have surprises and advantages.

2: Rank them by feats
 
Let me clarify a bit, I was specifically asking about in your own writings/verses, instead of asking generally.

I guess I can give an example.
I have “smart characters” characters that range from Gifted up to Supergenius. In the group of central characters I consider them all to be “smart” in one way or another. Though some of them aren’t universally “smart”if that makes sense. I have a few what I call “splitter characters”. What I mean is that they’re great in one area, but less so in others.

If I were to rank the main characters at least it would be something like this.

-Extraordinary Genius, possibly higher
-Extraordinary Genius, possibly higher
-3 Gifted/Genius (overall)
-Above Average, Extraordinary Genius in combat
-Above Average

Out of the seven MCs.
 
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I originally had a duo of Supergenius characters, but I ended up bringing them to around Extraordinary Genius.
 
Why are you conceptualizing your characters under VSBW terms? Nothing from this site should even touch how you create characters.

Regardless, I think you should ask yourself "for what narrative purpose is a character as intelligent as they are?" The answer to that question will inform how you need to write that character to fulfill the narrative requirement. For example, one of Breaking Bad's core themes is the exploration of the male ego, and one of Walter White's most important character traits is that he feels he has squandered both his brilliance and opportunities, in the life he has at the start of the show. Thus, Walter's ingenuity in chemistry, his extensive education, and his evident effectiveness as a research chemist (insofar as he contributed towards Nobel Peace Prize-winning research and co-founded an eventual multi-billion dollar company) serves as the basis for his hubris throughout the entire series and his feelings of a wasted life, which serves as a primary motivation. This is all to say you should be less focused on trying to convincingly write "genius" or "supergenius" characters and instead focus on communicating their intelligence in a way which is directly pertinent to the characters you are trying to write and the story you are trying to tell.
 
Why are you conceptualizing your characters under VSBW terms? Nothing from this site should even touch how you create characters.

Regardless, I think you should ask yourself "for what narrative purpose is a character as intelligent as they are?" The answer to that question will inform how you need to write that character to fulfill the narrative requirement. For example, one of Breaking Bad's core themes is the exploration of the male ego, and one of Walter White's most important character traits is that he feels he has squandered both his brilliance and opportunities, in the life he has at the start of the show. Thus, Walter's ingenuity in chemistry, his extensive education, and his evident effectiveness as a research chemist (insofar as he contributed towards Nobel Peace Prize-winning research and co-founded an eventual multi-billion dollar company) serves as the basis for his hubris throughout the entire series and his feelings of a wasted life, which serves as a primary motivation. This is all to say you should be less focused on trying to convincingly write "genius" or "supergenius" characters and instead focus on communicating their intelligence in a way which is directly pertinent to the characters you are trying to write and the story you are trying to tell.
I think that’s a fair response. Though I wouldn’t say I use VSBW terms to conceptualize my characters or story much, and especially not in the area of intelligence. The point of my first post of the day was just intended to try and revive the thread with some questions, since I saw it hadn’t been used in months. But to get at the heart of this, VSBW concepts aren’t really something I like to use in my writing outside of for fun (like in this thread or FCOC sometimes). The only reason I used VSBW classifications on intelligence in this thread was to provide a frame of reference of sorts. Basically I wanted to use the terms as a lens for some members to see some of my writing. How I frame certain aspects of my writing is very dependent on which writing-space I’m in tbh. In places like VSBW or FCOC I like to emphasize some of the similarities with the system to make it a bit more familiar for members. But I don’t think I’ve just really used VSBW as an inspiration for any of the writing, especially not since I started making stories more consistently.

But anyways (in non-VSBW speak), there’s a few main reasons I decided to make Alexander and his siblings hyper-intelligent (since I love talking about my characters and writing in general). They both sorta tie back into the thematics of my novel. Since I began reading about the fair folk, Faeries, and other manners of humanoid supernatural beings, I’ve really wanted to create characters who push the uncanny valley in a way. So when I designed him and his sisters, that was one of my early design thoughts. As I got further into my character concepts, I thought what if I came up with characters, who don’t just appear somewhat inhuman (he’s a gigantic behemoth slightly taller than Robert Wadlow {{8’11.5}}, with none of the debilitating effects of being so large. He also has golden eyes that can change color, which tend to be associated with supernatural horrors/terrors in superstition in the setting.), but also think in a slightly inhuman way as well. But as some of the main characters, I didn’t want them to come off as immoral or anything like that.

Thus, I decided to lean into the idea of intelligence and isolation. Alexander and his sisters are hyper intelligent. In a nutshell, they were experiments from birth until two of them escaped. Part of this isolation aspect was their development. They were precocious, which only really added to their misery in a way. From before he could walk or talk they were aware their lives didn’t belong to them, and that they existed in a sort of gilded cage at best. They could speak and read from a very young age, which also contributed to others being unnerved by the siblings. By the time he was in the pre-K to Kindergarten age (IRL), he was extremely intelligent, but it widened the divide between himself and most people. The mixture of childlike thought and extreme intelligence, made it nearly impossible to relate to anyone but each other. None of the other test subjects were anywhere near as smart, which created a barrier between them. The only people who could really understand them were the top researchers led by their mother.

Alexander was born very healthy/strong, and his sister was born frail. Although born with immense strength as well, which he used to defend his sickly sister, that also didn’t make him happy. From a young age he was the most dangerous of all of the lab subjects. He had knowledge of his strength, and couldn't realize what he could do, until he crippled his teacher by accident. For an over a decade he actually became mute and began to think of himself of a monster, because he was so unnaturally different from those around him.

The other major idea/concept I thought of when drafting my story/characters was potential, or more specifically failure to reach potential. There’s a lot of stories of gifted children who burned out young, like William Siddis under pressure. So I think the siblings' intelligence creates a sense of tragedy as well. In the modern day of the story, Alexander could be seen as a failure. His creature definitely sees him as such. He had the potential to be one of the strongest, smartest people. And yet he fell short in both aspects. He starts off as a semi amnesiac mercenary who is just kind of drifting through life.

Every time he gets too close he flees. He‘s still very smart in an almost alien way, and ends up being pulled by conflicting desires. He has very little money, but still builds, in his rickety home. All of this kinda builds up to where he’s decided to tune out the greater universe. But no matter how much he drinks, his mind still runs. He can’t help but think of himself as a monster. He’s one of the smartest humans in the setting, but he has stunted. All in all, he’s a bundle of self loath wrapped in should’ve—would’ve—could’ve. Though he’s not the smartest person in the series by far, he has potential to be one of them.

But he’s hampered by both his inability to feel normal, and his flaws as a person. Essentially I wanted to start the story with how he’s been deconstructed as a person, alongside his siblings, and a large chunk is about his reconstruction/resurrection into becoming who he wants to be. I think his intelligence is interesting to me because on some level he’s aware that he isn’t normal, but is also extremely gifted. The conflicting desires/drives that he’s filled with make it difficult.

On some level he loves the idea of destruction and combat, he was raised as a weapon for a large portion of his life after all. But there’s another part that is actively disgusted by his strength and bloodlust. He desires to use his intelligence to change things, but at the same time is ashamed of being so different from everyone around him. Alexander is trapped in a cycle of unfulfilled dreams. In a way he’s almost like a robot running on autopilot, in this analogy, his programming/what he was taught is a driving force in his life. He hates what he has become, but in a sad way, he also clings to it because it gives him safety and stability. To paraphrase one of my favorite comics, he’s like a puppet, but he’s a puppet who can see his strings.

But I didn’t mean to write a whole essay, so whoops. I ended up yapping lol. But I’m glad I had to reason to discuss character stuff, even if I’m just shouting into the void.
 
Why are you conceptualizing your characters under VSBW terms? Nothing from this site should even touch how you create characters.

Regardless, I think you should ask yourself "for what narrative purpose is a character as intelligent as they are?" The answer to that question will inform how you need to write that character to fulfill the narrative requirement. For example, one of Breaking Bad's core themes is the exploration of the male ego, and one of Walter White's most important character traits is that he feels he has squandered both his brilliance and opportunities, in the life he has at the start of the show. Thus, Walter's ingenuity in chemistry, his extensive education, and his evident effectiveness as a research chemist (insofar as he contributed towards Nobel Peace Prize-winning research and co-founded an eventual multi-billion dollar company) serves as the basis for his hubris throughout the entire series and his feelings of a wasted life, which serves as a primary motivation. This is all to say you should be less focused on trying to convincingly write "genius" or "supergenius" characters and instead focus on communicating their intelligence in a way which is directly pertinent to the characters you are trying to write and the story you are trying to tell.
Also, smart character = cool imo
 
I lost like, all my character documents for a story I wanted to write. Doesn't help that it's been so long i don't have the best memory of everything. Mostly the plot and a few characters but not their actual names

I don't even fully remember the magic system, I just have an early draft of it lying around
 
I lost like, all my character documents for a story I wanted to write. Doesn't help that it's been so long i don't have the best memory of everything. Mostly the plot and a few characters but not their actual names

I don't even fully remember the magic system, I just have an early draft of it lying around
Did you do back ups off the said documents? Or remember the general outline of your story or magic system?

If yes, start from scratch and making backups of the docs from now on. Suffering build character
 
Did you do back ups off the said documents? Or remember the general outline of your story or magic system?

If yes, start from scratch and making backups of the docs from now on. Suffering build character
Alright Hell-- I mean Hell- I mean Hell- I mean Hell- I mean Hell- I mean Hell- I mean H3

Jokes aside, this is a good idea overall
 
Did you do back ups off the said documents? Or remember the general outline of your story or magic system?

If yes, start from scratch and making backups of the docs from now on. Suffering build character
I didn't have any but I'll definitely be doing it now, I remember a good chunk of the story, but most actual names are pretty much gone outside of my favorite characters

I've had enough character development TwT, but alright
 
When I do smart characters I make them take one of three perspectives learner, teacher, or master.

Learners doubt their own capabilities and express uncertainty even if they are right. They often want to learn and get other peoples thoughts on things.

Masters think they know everything about a topic. They are confident and usually right. Sometimes to clever for their own good. They are usually motivated by self interest that may or may not be enlightened.

Teachers fall somewhere in between generally confident, but ready to be surprised. They often seek to share ideas either with others familiar with the subject or informing others.

Usually I try to get around them predicting things by ensuring time isn't in their favor.

One if my smartest characters is an ai whose primary purpose is to learn. They obtained some other goals when they developed personality traits to experience first hand as part of the process, but they usually prioritized the primary purpose stuff like helping maintain a status quo was secondary since they were not initially willing to risk the current state of existence due to the possibility that they may not be able to learn anything. When they decided to risk it they were part of a team of super heroes. They erased one of their teammates from existence, infected someone who's mind, soul, and body were the same thing (each aspect has their own capabilities and they had some that were magnified or unique as result) with a soul virus leading to the creation of one of the most dangerous threats the world ever dealt with, drove another hero insane that was one of the wardens of a super prison causing the other warden to have to kill him and hiding this fact due the prison being secret, the last team mate ended up having to hide inside their own mind. The ai then proceeded to modify the experiment that erased their teammate to leave existence along with pretty much every innovation the ai was connected to.
 
When I do smart characters I make them take one of three perspectives learner, teacher, or master.

Learners doubt their own capabilities and express uncertainty even if they are right. They often want to learn and get other peoples thoughts on things.

Masters think they know everything about a topic. They are confident and usually right. Sometimes to clever for their own good. They are usually motivated by self interest that may or may not be enlightened.

Teachers fall somewhere in between generally confident, but ready to be surprised. They often seek to share ideas either with others familiar with the subject or informing others.

Usually I try to get around them predicting things by ensuring time isn't in their favor.

One if my smartest characters is an ai whose primary purpose is to learn. They obtained some other goals when they developed personality traits to experience first hand as part of the process, but they usually prioritized the primary purpose stuff like helping maintain a status quo was secondary since they were not initially willing to risk the current state of existence due to the possibility that they may not be able to learn anything. When they decided to risk it they were part of a team of super heroes. They erased one of their teammates from existence, infected someone who's mind, soul, and body were the same thing (each aspect has their own capabilities and they had some that were magnified or unique as result) with a soul virus leading to the creation of one of the most dangerous threats the world ever dealt with, drove another hero insane that was one of the wardens of a super prison causing the other warden to have to kill him and hiding this fact due the prison being secret, the last team mate ended up having to hide inside their own mind. The ai then proceeded to modify the experiment that erased their teammate to leave existence along with pretty much every innovation the ai was connected to.
That’s interesting. I’ve created a few different AI based characters recently. There’s a bit of variation you have a few supercomputers, but also advanced robots. The ones with the most character are these: an ancient robot from a long collapsed technologically advanced civilization, and a robotic gangster/crime lord that the mc invented. Though the latter is sorta semi cybernetic like a terminator.

Some of the robots can use magic, though it’s significantly rarer than mortals with magic. Though robots who can use it have a strong advantage over regular people. For instance, they can use stuff like Numeromancy + Logicka, which tends to fry the brains of flesh and blood mages.

Also depending on the AI, some are definitely freer than others. Came up with 3 classes. Some are considered very capable, but are technically non sentient (or at least heavily bound by programming), which are consider to be “WAI” (Weak Artificial Intelligence). Then you have AI that are sentient but can be heavily bound with programming limitations, in their code. So if they wanted to say defend themselves, but are programmed not to do any violence, then they are conscious of their desire but unable to accomplish it. This is considered “GAI” (General Artificial Intelligence) They generally can’t use magic, though a very small percentage can if made well enough. Finally the last category is “LAC” (Limitless-type Artificial Consciousnesses).

AI in the LAC category are definitely the rarest type. It’s sorta similar to your idea of a learner and master mixed, in that they constantly take in massive amounts of data, always updating themselves. They’re the most dangerous forms as well, because they can update themselves to a point of being removed of any program restraints. The majority of them can use magic. Another term for them was PMI (Post Mortal Intellect) because they tend to be significantly smarter and faster than 99.99 etc of mortal beings, with some outlier exceptions.

There’s a final type but it’s a subgroup within the LAC category known as God-Machines in colloquial terms or LASC (Limitless-type Artificial Super Consciousnesses) which are rarity within the LAS category. All LASC can use magic. Historically they were quite often worshipped as idols or artificial deities, depending on the culture.

Overall the triple category system, is usually subdivided into the commonly used 6 AI classes, ranging from 0-5. It is extremely illegal (according to a treaty by the major universal superpowers) to create Class 2 and above, punishable by harsh penalty (including death in some places). Even Class 3 AI are restricted for some purposes. Though Class 4-5 AI fairly commonplace.

I was heavily inspired by Dune (AI restrictions/human alternatives) & Star Wars (for the classification system) for different parts of this. As briefly mentioned in the various species, there exists types of organic beings across all species, who I based on the Mentat, who are like supercomputers in their thinking capabilities. Though they aren’t 100% on the level of the highest banned AI. They are usually Vulcan like. Don’t have a name yet (maybe Thinkers… idk yet).

Circling back to my other post, the sibling trio are a particularly advanced form of this group of the “flesh and blood”computers. This thinker class (name pending) are only types capable of using Logicka or Numeromancy, and even then it’s still far more dangerous for them than for any class 2 and above AI with magic.
 
Decided to attempt to revive this thread because I’m bored with some questions. How do you guys write hyper intelligent characters if at all? And how would you rank their intelligence level if you had to?
Become just as smart

Anyways, to write a smart character, you have to first research their expertise (or you can spout nonsense). People don't care as long as it's enjoyable and believable.

I have a list of things to remember when I write a smart character.
  • Researching different topics. For example; If your character is a genius strategist, I suggest reading about real life strategies used before. This way you'll have a firm grip on what you need and will make it easier to write a narrative.
  • Don't be afraid to try new things. I, for one, make many samples before writing the real thing. And whichever you think is the best, just go with it.
  • The character's way of speaking can also work as a sign of their intelligence. Either make them cocky or wise. This always works. But if you have multiple protagonists, you should at least distinguish their character voice and give them different expertise to work with.
  • Creating contrasts for the smart character is also a way to work on their development as a character. It can work as a catalyst for their growth.
  • Keep in mind, a smart character is not perfect. They can make mistakes too. If you always portray them as winning, it will be too bland. Make them lose, make them show emotions, make them blend with the environment and its people.
And that's it. These are just some advice from a fellow novice writer.

Also, don't give them an over the roof personality.
 
Some of the robots can use magic, though it’s significantly rarer than mortals with magic. Though robots who can use it have a strong advantage over regular people. For instance, they can use stuff like Numeromancy + Logicka, which tends to fry the brains of flesh and blood mages
interesting, is numeromancy like an actual mancy (the suffix "-mancy" means divination)
 
Anyways, how do you guys make the cover? I suck at it, tbh.
There are about a million ways you could go about it. If you feel unsatisfied with your ability to create a cover, you could commission someone else to make one, as others have said. Though, I would put in more effort than just a color and a title, unless you are deliberately maintaining a minimalist aesthetic, because while people don't entirely judge books by their cover, the cover is often one's first impression of the story.

I am poor.. gotta get creative now.
Remember that literally any form of visual art can be used to create the cover (especially if you're publishing it digitally).
 
For my web novel. Although, I could just steal some and do a little editing magic...
Aren't there illustrators that make the covers based on instructions? I mean you can do it yourself, but it would be better to just comission it to a proper artist imho.

Unrelated, but I'm trying to make my MC a smart character of sorts, not a genius or anything, though. What I try to do is her being knowledgeable on several topics and quickly catch on in explanations or deduce events around her by being perceptive and using said knowledge. She does get stuff wrong sometimes, but she's not a Sherlock Holmes or anything, but she can, for example, more or less deduce the motivations and plans of a group based on their embles and knowing about the historical facts and traditions they are related to. But I try to keep it down key, so I avoid using her for exposition to other characters or much less have a "dumb" character around (personally, don't like using strawmen of sorts).
 
Aren't there illustrators that make the covers based on instructions? I mean you can do it yourself, but it would be better to just comission it to a proper artist imho.

Unrelated, but I'm trying to make my MC a smart character of sorts, not a genius or anything, though. What I try to do is her being knowledgeable on several topics and quickly catch on in explanations or deduce events around her by being perceptive and using said knowledge. She does get stuff wrong sometimes, but she's not a Sherlock Holmes or anything, but she can, for example, more or less deduce the motivations and plans of a group based on their embles and knowing about the historical facts and traditions they are related to. But I try to keep it down key, so I avoid using her for exposition to other characters or much less have a "dumb" character around (personally, don't like using strawmen of sorts).
Oh. I am going for a everyman archetype of sorts. He is not dumb, but not the smartest either. He is curious, but not heedless. He is respecting, but not a pushover. He defines magic as something that has not been explained yet, as anything that is explainable loses its mysticism. I am curious how others will see and treat him.
 
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interesting, is numeromancy like an actual mancy (the suffix "-mancy" means divination)
Numeromancy isn’t really divination, it’s more of the colloquial fantasy use. Though you could definitely approximate divination through that type of magic. It’s one of the hardest types of magic to learn in the story, but also one of the most powerful if you can get good with it
 
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