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Still his AP is likely either likely his tile chop or what goldenscorpions said
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World Martial Arts champion fights a Vtuber (Hercule Satan vs Hoshimachi Suisei) GRACE
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we’re basing off his AP based on his durability.
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From the picture of the standing Cell,
Observable Cell height (whole) = 890 px = 2.13 m
Observable Cell height (head to waist) = 328 px = 0.7850 m
Observable Cell width = 352 px = 0.8424 m
From the picture of Cell slapping Hercule to a hill,
Observable Cell height (head to waist) = 150 px = 0.7850 m
Observable width of Hercule stuck on a hill = 6.32455532 px = 0.7718 m
By angular formula,
2atan(tan(70/2)*(Hercule width/Cell head-to-waist height)) = 0.039950251 (rad)
Actual horizontal distance from Cell to Hercule =
0.7718 / 2 / TAN(0.039950251/2) = 19.31619449 m
Estimated falling height = 181 px = 22.08754413 m
Actual displacement = (19.31619449 ^ 2 + 22.08754413 ^ 2)^0.5 = 29.34237508 m
Time elapsed = 2 s (there are extra 0.5s for making a "kong" sound but by then Hercule was in a still motion)
Speed = 29.34237508m / 2s = 14.67118754 m/s
KE = 1/2 x Hercule mass x speed^2 = 0.5 x 94 x 14.67118754^2 = 10116.45596 J
Since sending Hercule up also gains PE on Earth,
PE = mgh = 94 x 9.81 x 22.08754413 = 20367.80794 J
Total energy taken by Hercule on being hit by Cell = 10116.45596 J + 20367.80794 J = 30484.2639 J (Wall level)
Surprisingly low --- especially when compared to Hercule's tile breaking feat.
Observable Cell height (whole) = 890 px = 2.13 m
Observable Cell height (head to waist) = 328 px = 0.7850 m
Observable Cell width = 352 px = 0.8424 m
From the picture of Cell slapping Hercule to a hill,
Observable Cell height (head to waist) = 150 px = 0.7850 m
Observable width of Hercule stuck on a hill = 6.32455532 px = 0.7718 m
By angular formula,
2atan(tan(70/2)*(Hercule width/Cell head-to-waist height)) = 0.039950251 (rad)
Actual horizontal distance from Cell to Hercule =
0.7718 / 2 / TAN(0.039950251/2) = 19.31619449 m
Estimated falling height = 181 px = 22.08754413 m
Actual displacement = (19.31619449 ^ 2 + 22.08754413 ^ 2)^0.5 = 29.34237508 m
Time elapsed = 2 s (there are extra 0.5s for making a "kong" sound but by then Hercule was in a still motion)
Speed = 29.34237508m / 2s = 14.67118754 m/s
KE = 1/2 x Hercule mass x speed^2 = 0.5 x 94 x 14.67118754^2 = 10116.45596 J
Since sending Hercule up also gains PE on Earth,
PE = mgh = 94 x 9.81 x 22.08754413 = 20367.80794 J
Total energy taken by Hercule on being hit by Cell = 10116.45596 J + 20367.80794 J = 30484.2639 J (Wall level)
Surprisingly low --- especially when compared to Hercule's tile breaking feat.
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“i'm voting suisei
Mostly cause mr satan only scales AP = Dura with his tile chop not him getting punched into a wall”
As @Ikelaggan said
And also what @GoldenScorpions said
“Even if you want to scale Mr Satan's AP to his durability (I'm not convinced on that), it's 896.5 KJ vs 921 KJ, which is 2.8% higher. It's so close that it doesn't matter.
I'm more inclined to take his actual AP feat of 651.2 KJ, which puts Suisei at 38% higher.
Beyond those, though, Suisei has longer range, has far better stamina feats, is smarter, has much higher LS, and she can size-shift to mess up with Mr Satan. His only advantage is better combat skill, which I don't feel is enough here. Combat skill or not, a chainsaw is a chainsaw.
Voting for Suisei.”
Mostly cause mr satan only scales AP = Dura with his tile chop not him getting punched into a wall”
As @Ikelaggan said
And also what @GoldenScorpions said
“Even if you want to scale Mr Satan's AP to his durability (I'm not convinced on that), it's 896.5 KJ vs 921 KJ, which is 2.8% higher. It's so close that it doesn't matter.
I'm more inclined to take his actual AP feat of 651.2 KJ, which puts Suisei at 38% higher.
Beyond those, though, Suisei has longer range, has far better stamina feats, is smarter, has much higher LS, and she can size-shift to mess up with Mr Satan. His only advantage is better combat skill, which I don't feel is enough here. Combat skill or not, a chainsaw is a chainsaw.
Voting for Suisei.”
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Voting Satan FRA
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Did you not see @GoldenScorpions arguments
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Ah yes my bad, I thought Satan had a chance, but skimming a bit more through it, It seems Suisei most likely wins this, hands down
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That’s okay we all make mistskes
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I'm scaling Satan's AP off of Dynamite Kick as I previously stated, so my vote won't change really
As for reaction speed, Mr. Satan dodged a rocket launcher point blank even while getting caught off guard, and technically dodged Kid Buu's attacks
As for reaction speed, Mr. Satan dodged a rocket launcher point blank even while getting caught off guard, and technically dodged Kid Buu's attacks
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I don’t see reaction speed on there
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Is @pineappleman correct? Or do you disagree?
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Talk to Goldenscorpions and Cisco and see what they think
GoldenScorpions
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I mean, I don't know much about Mr. Satan as a character. I'm simply going with what the profile mentions. I'm unaware if there's missing or incorrect things.
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Mr. Satan scales to his durability, and he survived that punch without any injury at that (though it did caused him pain)
No idea why the argument that for some reason he doesn't scale to his own durability
Even if you want to scale Mr Satan's AP to his durability (I'm not convinced on that), it's 896.5 KJ vs 921 KJ, which is 2.8% higher. It's so close that it doesn't matter.
Also:
Overall this feels pretty sus to me
No idea why the argument that for some reason he doesn't scale to his own durability
Even if you want to scale Mr Satan's AP to his durability (I'm not convinced on that), it's 896.5 KJ vs 921 KJ, which is 2.8% higher. It's so close that it doesn't matter.
Why wouldn't he scale to his durability??? I don't see you even addressing that, and if you really want to debunk the satan argument, then explain why that wouldn't work
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This is very unprofessional of you OP. The whole point of debating is that arguments are presented and people chooses who they think wins. Just because someone made an argument for her doesn't mean Mr. Satan's votes are invalid, so I have no idea why you even removed them
Overall this feels pretty sus to me
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The votes were added after grace period started. I can add them back if you want
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The votes for mister satan to be exact
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You very much should
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