Why don't we accept SCP Aleph hierarchy (5800 and acidverse)?

[Sir_sun_man]

Wdym by dies irae treatment ? Dies Irae was considered high 1-A and 1-A with actual decent proof. That is another thing that we no longer agree with those old interpretation.

i mean that I want it to get slammed into 1-B

 

[Guardian_Doge]

honestly can't wait for umineko to get the Dies Irae treatment like they gave the creater boundless without any actual proof for that shit it is the weakest 0 on the verse and has 0 things to back up its tier.

Debate me on discord so I can trap you in an echo chamber of goons yelling at you.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Debate me on discord so I can trap you in an echo chamber of goons yelling at you.

I pretty sure that's a form of torture.

 

[Darksmash]

I pretty sure that's a form of torture.

Joining any of these discord servers is worse than torture. You will feel your sanity being sapped away until you either give up your opinion or they ban you from the server. If you are unlucky they might also invite you for a VC debate where all your braincells will devolve until you aren't capable of comprehending anything other than the n word and it's variations

 

[Livinmeme]

Joining any of these discord servers is worse than torture. You will feel your sanity being sapped away until you either give up your opinion or they ban you from the server. If you are unlucky they might also invite you for a VC debate where all your braincells will devolve until you aren't capable of comprehending anything other than the n word and it's variations

So... 4chan?

 

[Agnaa]

@Agnaa I meant scp has multiverses with ALEPH0 universes. Ones with ALEPH1 universes. Multiverses with ALEPH2 universes. So on. Up to even larger cardinals. Like a multiverse with the first Singular cardinal number of universes. Sorry if my wording wasn't very concise. I can be bad that way when I get excited.

Where's that come from? It sounds sorta similar to this statement

Like a string of beads, chained throughout reality, universe after universe, each exceeding the last in their vast wealth of knowledge. We were only the second in a chain that went on forever.

And when MUORG followed that chain, they found that it did more than continue indefinitely. One string of worlds reached its limit, somehow, impossibly, one of those many before it had figured out how to allow the process to go on forever, terminating in a single, infinitely far away, limiting world.

And then they'd continued. That limiting world had spawned another more advanced still, and that one another. And they'd created another limit. Two infinite chains standing beginning to end. Then three, four, five….

The mathematicians working for us at the time said they were following a pattern called "transfinite recursion". A process by which a linear ordering could be extended beyond the simple infinity of "1, 2, 3…".

First an infinite chain of universes. Then 2, then 3…

Then an infinite chain of infinite chains. Then 2, then 3.

Then repeat. Each time there are as many of the last thing as there are numbers, repeat again.

In the end, each universe had a place in an order that was as deep as mathematically possible.

There, at the very end, one step beyond even the incredible power of this unending recursion, shining on the metaversal horizon, was Omega.

Which wouldn't be aleph-0/aleph-1/aleph-2. That'd be omega, then omega^2, then omega^3, then a vague statement of being "as deep as mathematically possible", then afterwards ending with omega of all things (which seems a lil contradictory but whatever). At best this could be taken as having an aleph-1 amount of universes, as it seems to encompass all countable infinities and then go one step further.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Debate me on discord so I can trap you in an echo chamber of goons yelling at you.

i think i had enough of that for a life time or 3

 

[Hmesko]

@Agnaa This thread

SCP Feats, Cosmology, etc. - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine

Either SCP Foundation is heavily downplayed or people don't know how big SCP Cosmology is or how powerful Foundation is itself, also there are no type

comicvine.gamespot.com

ALEPH0, ALEPH1, and ALEPH2 are stated.

Unfortunately, the world is not dynamic. Everything's already over, I've already read it. All of this? It's just going through the motions. This is just a tiny subset of the world at large. I'd call it the 'real' word, but it's just as real as we are in here. The larger space that we're in… much larger, in fact, uncountably infinite expanses in uncountably infinite dimensions… we fill that space. And yet, here, we're discretised. Collapsed into words and nothing more, even if we're something so much greater.

See, sometimes the infinite can be reduced to something simpler. Look here: ℵ0 and ℵ1 and ℵ2 and so on. Simple, yes, but they can each contain the world. You can glimpse it, if you look hard enough. Just breathe in, breathe out. Think about infinity. Not just countable, but uncountable, and the dimension of it goes up into uncountability too. If you think you've really understood it, you aren't thinking hard enough. Sure, zoom past the pitstops. 5, 23, 3333. They're all beautiful, but so horrendously finite. Fly past it all and keep going and going. Minds have died wishing for a fraction of what I can see. So breathe slowly, and think about it.

Really think about it, and the world seems like nothing.

The first Singular cardinal is stated as well. But then it goes to countable ordinals which doesn't make any sense.

 

[Hmesko]

@Agnaa You are absolutely right though. Multiplication on countable infinite sets doesn't make them any more than countable. Even if it's ALEPH0 x ALEPH0 x ALEPH0 ... etc. Only reason I brought up alephs and larger cardinals was because they were mentioned explicitly.

 

[Agnaa]

I addressed that earlier so I'll copy/paste what I said

We already use that. That is literally the justification for all the 1-A SCP profiles we have.

The reason we rate that statement at Low 1-A (and therefore, transcendence of it at 1-A) based on the uncountable dimensions part and not the aleph numbers part, is because the world isn't described as having size corresponding to alephs. It's described as having uncountably infinite expanses in uncountably infinite dimensions. Alephs are brought up as a point of comparison, to show how the infinite can be reduced to something simpler. It doesn't say the world has a size of, say aleph-2.

EDIT: I also wouldn't really say that's part of "the multiverse", it's a quote from someone on the Acidverse hub page (a hub dealing with the god-tiers in the multiverse) saying that "this is just a tiny subset of the world at large", that they're in a much larger space. I interpret that as meaning that statement's talking about something beyond the conventional multiverse (Yesod, etc.) which most characters interact with.

 

[Hmesko]

@Agnaa OK. So you think the quote is just bringing up alephs to illustrate different sizes of uncountable sets and not necessarily that scp has different multiverses with that amount of universes in them? Scp can be vague. I can honestly see that as a valid interpretation. As I said I don't know much about scp myself. So I can see my interpreting as there being multiverses with the amount of universes corresponding to aleph numbers as being incorrect. But uncountably many dimensions is still impressive imo. Even if we assume this is only ALEPH1.

 

[Agnaa]

Yeah that's p. much it. And yeah it is hella impressive.

 

[Hmesko]

@Agnaa idk. After reading it again I have to disagree. The quote after the alephs says. >each contain the world. Sounds like it's being applied to the cosmology to me. Either universes with that many things in it. Or multiverses with that many universes in them. It wouldn't make sense to apply alephs to the size of a God unless he's made up of uncountably many particles or a sentient multiverse or in that many dimensions or something. Not trying to change anybody's mind. Just stating my opinion.

 

[Agnaa]

How could they each contain the world? If aleph-null can "contain the world", that implies there's nothing in the world larger than aleph-null. If aleph-one can contain the world, that implies there's nothing in the world larger than aleph-one. Ditto for aleph-two.

Hence I think it makes more sense for that still to be taken as an analogy.