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Why don't we accept SCP Aleph hierarchy (5800 and acidverse)?

That feels like a bit of a stretch when there's a far simpler way to treat it.
Applying some axioms to a system that explicitly contradicts them is pretty weird. Especially when it is done to dismiss explicit information shoved down our throats(aleph numbers)

Alephs are sets of infinities, I thought those statements were both referring to the same thing.
Aleph=size of the set, not the set itself

Blech, that all sounds pretty funky.
Well I don't particularly care for SCP's tier on the wiki, I just wanted to say how rejecting the alephs because of those reasons was pretty weird.
 
Applying some axioms to a system that explicitly contradicts them is pretty weird. Especially when it is done to dismiss explicit information shoved down our throats(aleph numbers)

From the original SCP-033 article, I interpreted theta-prime as basically being if humanity had never realized that the number 6 existed. So it seemed fair to treat it as such.

Aleph=size of the set, not the set itself


Sure.

Well I don't particularly care for SCP's tier on the wiki, I just wanted to say how rejecting the alephs because of those reasons was pretty weird.


Well, like I said:
tl;dr it's hard to make it work and discussion about using it eventually died out.
It's not like those were necessarily reasons to hard-reject it, it was tough to make it work in light of them, and the dozens of hours spent in exhausting conversations burnt out everyone involved before any conclusions got implemented.

I know that some people discussing it leaned towards upgrading SCP off of it, and presumably still do.
 
From the original SCP-033 article, I interpreted theta-prime as basically being if humanity had never realized that the number 6 existed. So it seemed fair to treat it as such.
To me it just seemed like some standard "we didn't realise it exists and it breaks the very foundation of our mathematics and logic" stuff. If we treat it like a conventional number between 5 and 6 then it wouldn't be a whole number. But meh, it's a very weird concept anyway(not like fiction is to blame for doing this since being incomprehensible is the intent in the first place).
 
I'll do a quick CRT about this, regardless of whether it's an upgrade or not. It will help people avoid misunderstandings about what really happened and the general context
 
honestly anything with scp's is just one big convoluted mess that contradicts itself on evey turn due to have way to many authors and basically being just a bunch of fanfics
like at the point you reach sugguverse levels of stupid you know you ****** up
 
it's only even theoretically reached that level of stupid if you interpret the narrative stuff in a very particular way as opposed to how it's actually shown.
 
it's only even theoretically reached that level of stupid if you interpret the narrative stuff in a very particular way as opposed to how it's actually shown.
eh true but the fact that it can be precived that way is already a big oof
although not gonna lie kaktus verse is well writen most of the time
 
also are we ever going to adress sefiros and quillpoth as well as saint alagada any time soon?
since they are canonish*
 
also are we ever going to adress sefiros and quillpoth as well as saint alagada any time soon?
since they are canonish*
Those are wanked to Stronger than 3812 and the authors of both is extremely annoyed by their wanked fanfic headcanon. And suggsverse level scp is really true, if you look at how scp scallers do on reddit, comicvine,.. with their crappy headcanon, it's much worse than narrative stuff.
 
Those are wanked to Stronger than 3812 and the authors of both is extremely annoyed by their wanked fanfic headcanon. And suggsverse level scp is really true, if you look at how scp scallers do on reddit, comicvine,.. with their crappy headcanon, it's much worse than narrative stuff.
It's only a matter of time until SCP (The extended canon at least) gets deleted here kek!

Either way back to the original topic of this thread, so will SCP-5800 and Acidverse be accepted here? (Soon or in the foreseeable future) yay or nay?
 
Ah great, we are back to that whole "SCP=Suggsverse nyehhh" shit.

If that's the only thing you guys have to say, can you kindly screw off? If you have a problem with that shit, make a thread for it. Don't talk shit here.
Nah you cant stop us to talking shit to SCP, because the wiki is a big mass of hyprocrisy
 
Making CRT to make minecraft Low 1-C get banned only after 2 times and CRT of arceus to make him 2-A were almost monthly and the topic didnt get banned

TF2 needing like 1 trillon 9-A feats for only a possible and several series jumping several tiers with only a feat
 
Ok but what does that have to do with shit talking SCP?

Standards on the wiki are inherently inconsistent. It's not even a question. Multiple verses like Umineko, Daimao etc that are barely 1-A at the very best interpretations but are rated at much higher tiers meanwhile SCP faces harsh scrutiny despite having enough to easily satisfy the criteria for higher tiers. If we start this kind shit talking in every thread then there would be no end to it.
 
Wiki being wiki i guess... oh also daimao is getting downgraded to ******* 4-B to Low 1-C to max so have fun
 
also are we ever going to adress sefiros and quillpoth as well as saint alagada any time soon?
since they are canonish*
People just haven't been interested in making pages for them. Other sites care about them a lot more since they've taken a few statements out of context to wank them to be above the narrative stack, but really they'd only land at around the bottom of the god-tiers if we made pages for them.
 
Not knowledgeable about scp. But this is something I looked into myself. Scp has many issues with it's set theory. They are correct in applying set theory to their cosmology. Different multiverses have different number of universes corresponding to aleph numbers. But then they do things like going from the first singular cardinal to countable ordinals or something silly like that. I suppose you could take it as that scp has the first singular cardinal and that is it. Just to play it safe.
 
also are we ever going to adress sefiros and quillpoth as well as saint alagada any time soon?
since they are canonish*
Pretty sure people see them as either super OP characters equal or higher than 3812, or simply overwanked characters that belong with the SCP Gods.
 
Not knowledgeable about scp. But this is something I looked into myself. Scp has many issues with it's set theory. They are correct in applying set theory to their cosmology. Different multiverses have different number of universes corresponding to aleph numbers. But then they do things like going from the first singular cardinal to countable ordinals or something silly like that. I suppose you could take it as that scp has the first singular cardinal and that is it. Just to play it safe.
idk what you're talking about with "different multiverses having different number of universes corresponding to aleph numbers".
 
It's only a matter of time until SCP (The extended canon at least) gets deleted here kek!

Either way back to the original topic of this thread, so will SCP-5800 and Acidverse be accepted here? (Soon or in the foreseeable future) yay or nay?
Yeah, I wouldn't have any problem with them being deleted either. Honestly their idea of "Headcanon" makes SCP essentially like fanfic but much better
 
Yeah, I wouldn't have any problem with them being deleted either. Honestly their idea of "Headcanon" makes SCP essentially like fanfic but much better
Man I was been sarcastic (hence the crossed out comment). Tbh I've been burned out of SCP for awhile now. I missed the days when TSK was the big bad of the verse not to mention the legitimate sense of intrigue and nuance that was put into the stories as well as world building also the LORE. These days it's blatantly become a d*ck measuring contest with battle boarding authors that are experts at circumventing loopholes pass the SCP mods (I mean many believe SCP has become a verse that has transcended power-scaling now).

My rant aside it seems the original topic of this thread is more or less concluded, no?
 
Ok but what does that have to do with shit talking SCP?

Standards on the wiki are inherently inconsistent. It's not even a question. Multiple verses like Umineko, Daimao etc that are barely 1-A at the very best interpretations but are rated at much higher tiers meanwhile SCP faces harsh scrutiny despite having enough to easily satisfy the criteria for higher tiers. If we start this kind shit talking in every thread then there would be no end to it.
Don't worry. One eventually learns to cope with this. You will too.
 
Man I was been sarcastic (hence the crossed out comment). Tbh I've been burned out of SCP for awhile now. I missed the days when TSK was the big bad of the verse not to mention the legitimate sense of intrigue and nuance that was put into the stories as well as world building also the LORE. These days it's blatantly become a d*ck measuring contest with battle boarding authors that are experts at circumventing loopholes pass the SCP mods (I mean many believe SCP has become a verse that has transcended power-scaling now).

My rant aside it seems the original topic of this thread is more or less concluded, no?
Same
 
Don't worry. One eventually learns to cope with this. You will too.
I have already been aware of this for a long time. That's why I said that shit talking is completely useless since that's just how the wiki works.

battle boarding authors that are experts at circumventing loopholes pass the SCP mods
What even are these "battleboarding" tales? I keep seeing people repeatedly bringing this up but aside from super obscure things like Chaoskampf and creation (which aren't even used) none of them have anything to do with battleboarding. Until just a while ago mainstream battleboarding wasn't even about transfinite numbers. Most of it was esoteric stuff like "Muh concepts" or "Muh platonism" which is pretty rare in SCP anyway. Unless you think the recent 6000s series double digit offsets short novels are written for the sake of battleboarding I don't get what you are talking about.
 
Those are wanked to Stronger than 3812 and the authors of both is extremely annoyed by their wanked fanfic headcanon. And suggsverse level scp is really true, if you look at how scp scallers do on reddit, comicvine,.. with their crappy headcanon, it's much worse than narrative stuff.
oh i know thats kinda why i avoid other vs platforms because people just outright say scarlet king solos fiction and use narrative to wank even beyond that
 
It's only a matter of time until SCP (The extended canon at least) gets deleted here kek!

Either way back to the original topic of this thread, so will SCP-5800 and Acidverse be accepted here? (Soon or in the foreseeable future) yay or nay?
i say nay
scps are fun so lets not ruin them by making everyone and their grandma into a high 1-A
 
Ok but what does that have to do with shit talking SCP?

Standards on the wiki are inherently inconsistent. It's not even a question. Multiple verses like Umineko, Daimao etc that are barely 1-A at the very best interpretations but are rated at much higher tiers meanwhile SCP faces harsh scrutiny despite having enough to easily satisfy the criteria for higher tiers. If we start this kind shit talking in every thread then there would be no end to it.
honestly can't wait for umineko to get the Dies Irae treatment like they gave the creater boundless without any actual proof for that shit it is the weakest 0 on the verse and has 0 things to back up its tier.
 
People just haven't been interested in making pages for them. Other sites care about them a lot more since they've taken a few statements out of context to wank them to be above the narrative stack, but really they'd only land at around the bottom of the god-tiers if we made pages for them.
thanks for the clarification agnaa
 
Man I was been sarcastic (hence the crossed out comment). Tbh I've been burned out of SCP for awhile now. I missed the days when TSK was the big bad of the verse not to mention the legitimate sense of intrigue and nuance that was put into the stories as well as world building also the LORE. These days it's blatantly become a d*ck measuring contest with battle boarding authors that are experts at circumventing loopholes pass the SCP mods (I mean many believe SCP has become a verse that has transcended power-scaling now).

My rant aside it seems the original topic of this thread is more or less concluded, no
seems like it yes

soooooo, time to close the thread?
 
honestly can't wait for umineko to get the Dies Irae treatment like they gave the creater boundless without any actual proof for that shit it is the weakest 0 on the verse and has 0 things to back up its tier.
Wdym by dies irae treatment ? Dies Irae was considered high 1-A and 1-A with actual decent proof. That is another thing that we no longer agree with those old interpretation.
 
@Agnaa I meant scp has multiverses with ALEPH0 universes. Ones with ALEPH1 universes. Multiverses with ALEPH2 universes. So on. Up to even larger cardinals. Like a multiverse with the first Singular cardinal number of universes. Sorry if my wording wasn't very concise. I can be bad that way when I get excited.
 
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