Set Theory Conceptual Misrepresentation

[Kirinator07]

So I have a question involving a particular Mary Sue like Cooking Book

SCP-5650

SCP-5650 is a technique to apply the Banach-Tarski theorem on a physical level, allowing salmon to be duplicated. The methods to achieve SCP-5650 are found inside a cooking book under the name of Angles of Salmon. Its goal is the enhancement of salmon flavor through exotic mathematical means...

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I'd like to wonder what rule we have here that scales entities to Tier 0 from just destroying Mathematical Concepts, and if those concepts are human and in the Noosphere shouldn't it be upgraded to tier 0 as well, from what I see it should only be baseline 0 for vastly transcending the scope of SCP-5800 and entities beyond it as the hierarchy is High 1-A for transcending infinite uncountable alephs, but I would like to hear why else should it be or what could change as a result.

 

[Gasper]

transending High 1-A realm is just higher into High 1-A without additional context.

Also, Alephs, no matter how many, are always 1-A+.

 

[Kirinator07]

transending High 1-A realm is just higher into High 1-A without additional context.

Also, Alephs, no matter how many, are always 1-A+.

Then why is it tier 0? that's what were trying to find out.

 

[Alexander]

Then why is it tier 0? that's what were trying to find out.

the concept of set theory i will say,because the concept of something has everything of that something.

 

[Gasper]

the concept of set theory i will say,because the concept of something has everything of that something.

No, alot of verses uses set theory, and we don't treat those as automatically boundless. It's in the rules that verse needs to mention the specific cardinals to be tierable.

 

[Alexander]

No, alot of verses uses set theory, and we don't treat those as automatically boundless. It's in the rules that verse needs to mention the specific cardinals to be tierable.

but not the concept of set theory,i am reffering to the concept itself,like,literraly,the concept

 

[Gasper]

but not the concept of set theory,i am reffering to the concept itself,like,literraly,the concept

Yes, i know.

 

[Alexander]

Yes, i know.

...

 

[Gasper]

...

Dosen't change my point

 

[Alexander]

Dosen't change my point

i think,tecnically yes

 

[Gasper]

i think,tecnically yes

I still don't see how that's anywhere near tier 0.

 

[Rabbit2002]

@Saikou_The_Lewd_King

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

From what I saw, SCP 5650 is scaling off of the Semiosphere thanks to its ability to manipulate mathematics. The Semiosphere scales beyond the Noosphere as the logic behind mathematics and the Noospheres information.

 

[Kirinator07]

From what I saw, SCP 5650 is scaling off of the Semiosphere thanks to its ability to manipulate mathematics. The Semiosphere scales beyond the Noosphere as the logic behind mathematics and the Noospheres information.

That's what I had in mind, transcending the entire framework of the hierarchy of SCP-5800 regardless of layers and thus allowing Tier 0.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

5800 is an infinite hierarchy of High 1-A beings. 5800 in its entirety is based on Set Theory (with each corresponding to an Aleph Number), and with other articles implying that ideatic beings corresponding to higher numbers exists. SCP-5650 ****** with the very concept of Set Theory, which would make it obviously far bigger in scope than any amount of High 1-A stacking would allow. It destroys the very logical system which allows High 1-A hierarchies to exist on. That is very much Tier 0.

 

[Greatsage13th]

5800 is an infinite hierarchy of High 1-A beings. 5800 in its entirety is based on Set Theory (with each corresponding to an Aleph Number), and with other articles implying that ideatic beings corresponding to higher numbers exists. SCP-5650 ****** with the very concept of Set Theory, which would make it obviously far bigger in scope than any amount of High 1-A stacking would allow. It destroys the very logical system which allows High 1-A hierarchies to exist on. That is very much Tier 0.

A CRT might be required to change funny fish to 0

 

[Kirinator07]

A CRT might be required to change funny fish to 0

Its already tier 0 though.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Its already tier 0 though.

I didn't realize

 

[Kirinator07]

So, we have come to a point in the wiki where a single fish can solo all of anime and comics combined huh.

 

[Alexander]

So, we have come to a point in the wiki where a weak fish can solo all of anime and comics combined huh.

scp: that's scp magic

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

It's not a fish it's a cooking book, it's fine.

 

[Alexander]

It's not a fish it's a cooking book, it's fine.

is still not a living thing,is a object.

 

[Rabbit2002]

It's not a fish it's a cooking book, it's fine.

Fish > Starfish

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

The Starfish might scale to 5650 at some point (as the latter is a Fifthist artifact, usually empowered by 3125) but that's a loooong way off.

 

[Alexander]

The Starfish might scale to 5650 at some point (as the latter is a Fifthist artifact, usually empowered by 3125) but that's a loooong way off.

wait,there is a starfish?

 

[Kirinator07]

wait,there is a starfish?

SCP-3125

Your team is dead. Their minds have been pulled out, like eyeballs. They're hollow people, with holes in space where their brains were. The war is over! Finally! It's just you, Marion, a division of one! Dying from mnestic overdose, two hundred metres underground, cared for by no one, known to...

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[Alexander]

SCP-3125

Your team is dead. Their minds have been pulled out, like eyeballs. They're hollow people, with holes in space where their brains were. The war is over! Finally! It's just you, Marion, a division of one! Dying from mnestic overdose, two hundred metres underground, cared for by no one, known to...

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Why didn't you say the spider, that that was the name that the scp-682 give him
now meme:
scp-3125:i am the embodiment of chaos and i am every in the multiverse.
scp-5650:lol,i am a book that can let you cook fish that can destroy the concept of mathematics,**** you

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Yeah but 682 is wrong, 3125 is a Starfish.

 

[Alexander]

Yeah but 682 is wrong, 3125 is a Starfish.

sarcastic or literraly...because i cannot

distinguish if what you say is serious.
also,how is a star fish,it seems like a star with more than 12 parts

 

[Wardokman69]

5800 is an infinite hierarchy of High 1-A beings. 5800 in its entirety is based on Set Theory (with each corresponding to an Aleph Number), and with other articles implying that ideatic beings corresponding to higher numbers exists. SCP-5650 ****** with the very concept of Set Theory, which would make it obviously far bigger in scope than any amount of High 1-A stacking would allow. It destroys the very logical system which allows High 1-A hierarchies to exist on. That is very much Tier 0.

Wouldnt that makes extranoospheric 3125 at least high 1-A possibly/likely 0?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Wouldnt that makes extranoospheric 3125 at least high 1-A possibly/likely 0?

Like I said I'm not dealing with that just yet. I have things to edit regarding the Starfish, Surrealism, and certain lore characters like the Serpent or the Brothers Death later. But I have other things to do first.

 

[Gasper]

Would that make scarlet king tier 0?

 

[Gasper]

Also, i think SCP-3812 should be upgraded to High 1-A, 0 when ascending through narratives via this:

understand that from this tale, fictional entities such as SCP-3812 which is stated to transcend his author are unable to attack the actual Swann authors but attack Swann avatars or pseudo swanns, which works imo.

My question would be, what about SCP 2747 / SCP 6747-C? Because in the SCP 6747 file, it is stated that SCP 6747-C is currently destroying the swann's narrative layer (or called alpha layer in some cases) which is where the swanns exist. With your tale, would it mean that the swanns within the alpha layers aren't actual swanns but instead avatars of the swanns, and that the actual true swanns transcends the alpha layer?

Correct. The fact that it is described within in that medium means that it is a separate substrate than the "real world" as we call it. The only thing you should accept as proof of something like that is phenomena physically incurring upon our timeline, which, correct me if I'm wrong, hasn't happened yet and likely won't happen.

And maybe even start at tier 0 if noosphere is upgraded to tier 0.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Don't just say things without providing sources for the statements.

Either way no. No Tier 0 SCP-3812. At least not Kaktusverse SCP-3812.