Whiteqin vs Zogratis

[Arkenis]

Hoaqin (Post-Flagship Explosion Abosption)
Zenon (Devil's Bargin)

Speed: TOG 16.7c and BC 10c (if this needs to be equalized I'll change)
Attack Potency: White TOG 107.12 Teratons and Zenon 325 Teratons, difference = 3x
Starting Distance: 5km
In Character
Location: Clover Kingdom

 

[Arceus0x]

Idk about big Z over here but White scales way above 16c just so we note that as 16c is the speed of season 2 Baam

 

[Arkenis]

Idk about big Z over here but White scales way above 16c just so we note that as 16c is the speed of season 2 Baam

Where does he scale? Couldn’t find where he scaled other than 16c.

 

[Arceus0x]

Where does he scale? Couldn’t find where he scaled other than 16c.

he just scales to an extent. Like >>>16c type of thing

 

[Arkenis]

he just scales to an extent. Like >>>16c type of thing

So no need to equalize?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Ah yes, another Zenon thread

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I wanted to ask what Zenon can do to counter the infamous "hundreds of slashes per swing" of White?

 

[Arkenis]

I wanted to ask what Zenon can do to counter the infamous "hundreds of slashes per swing" of White?

I would say his bones or mana zone should work against them.

 

[Nierre]

Let's gooooo a match with White!!

 

[Arkenis]

Let's gooooo a match with White!!

was gonna do asta but too powerful and Dante seemed boring. Yami could be fun but probably someone else in tog

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I wanted to ask what Zenon can do to counter the infamous "hundreds of slashes per swing" of White?

Spam bones... yep... pretty much what he's gonna do.

 

[Arkenis]

How would shinsoo and mana interact or would it be equalized?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I feel like it can, was just waiting for someone to bring it up.

I wanted to ask what Zenon can do to counter the infamous "hundreds of slashes per swing" of White?

How is White going to counter a better version of his own attack? Jk

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I feel like it can, was just waiting for someone to bring it up.



How is White going to counter a better version of his own attack? Jk

Can you put a different link? I'm not able to access what you sent, it's giving error all the times I try to access it

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Can you put a different link? I'm not able to access what you sent, it's giving error all the times I try to access it

Okie

 

[ImNot4nUser]

How is White going to counter a better version of his own attack? Jk

I see the "jk" but still... That's barely comparable to the first one swung he did, even less compared to the "I filled the screen with slashes" Ig the fact it's spatial is something, but in number? Nay

 

[Arkenis]

How does White's spaital work?

 

[ImNot4nUser]

How does White's spaital work?

Hundred of simultaneous space bending homing slashes that can disappear and reappear from any angle following abstract trajectories.

Edit:
See this
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Another Arie Swordsman that has a respect thread, check "Arie Swordsmanship" section

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I see the "jk" but still... That's barely comparable to the first one swung he did, even less compared to the "I filled the screen with slashes" Ig the fact it's spatial is something, but in number? Nay

And that's why you saw the JK bro.

Let me elaborate further on the bones btw.

His bones should be comparable in number as they too can be described as (borrowing what you said earlier) "I filled the screen...". the bones don't vanish too which is good. They have an extremely fast regeneration speed and that's why it's described as an "absolute defense". So that should take care of the slash numbers. The bones have piercing damage primarily used for incapacitation and can be spawned from anywhere at any angle (maybe not a counter for the spatial stuff he has)

 

[Arkenis]

And that's why you saw the JK bro.

Let me elaborate further on the bones btw.

His bones should be comparable in number as they too can be described as (borrowing what you said earlier) "I filled the screen...". the bones don't vanish too which is good. They have an extremely fast regeneration speed and that's why it's described as an "absolute defense". So that should take care of the slash numbers. The bones have piercing damage primarily used for incapacitation and can be spawned from anywhere at any angle (maybe not a counter for the spatial stuff he has)

I really don't think you can compare the bones to the thousands of slashes. From what I've seen where he uses a lot of bones is this

And none of this seems on the level of thousands of slashes.
If there's greater showings then send pls. Cause otherwise White's slashes should be able to get inbetween the bones to hit Zenon

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I really don't think you can compare the bones to the thousands of slashes. From what I've seen where he uses a lot of bones is this

And none of this seems on the level of thousands of slashes.
If there's greater showings then send pls. Cause otherwise White's slashes should be able to get inbetween the bones to hit Zenon

SIGH...

He does this casually at 50% devil power

and the regeneration speed is greater at 51%.... 52%....53%.............................80%.... 100%..... Devil form.

In fact, apart from your first scan you sent, which should've been enough.

There is this.

So how the hell are those two scans all you've seen

 

[Arkenis]

SIGH...

He does this casually at 50% devil power

and the regeneration speed is greater at 51%.... 52%....53%.............................80%.... 100%..... Devil form.

In fact, apart from the first scan you sent, which should've been enough.

There is this.

So how the hell are those two scans all you've seen

SIGHHH

Gotta be honest with you, none of those show me the implication that it's THOUSANDS.

 

[Nierre]

Ye that doesn't look like it reaches thousand(s) to me either.

But definitely alot tho lmao

 

[Arnoldstone18]

SIGHHH

Gotta be honest with you, none of those show me the implication that it's THOUSANDS.

the other dude said hundreds now you're saying thousands.

 

[Arkenis]

the other dude said hundreds now you're saying thousands.

Hundred of simultaneous space bending homing slashes that can disappear and reappear from any angle following abstract trajectories.

Edit:
See this
+
Another Arie Swordsman that has a respect thread, check "Arie Swordsmanship" section

 

[Nierre]

It's thousands

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Ye that doesn't look like it reaches thousand(s) to me either.

But definitely alot tho lmao

Do numbers matter despite Zenon's bone regeneration speeds?

The bones are connected to each other but I'm no longer interested in this contest of who can spam more. All that matters is whether or not Zenon can counter, which he can with at least his numbers in addition to regeneration speeds.

 

[Azevedo128]

Uhhh, I'm pretty sure Zenon 10c btw, although he's like far faster than characters that are far faster than characters that are far faster than characters that are 10c.

Also Devil Zenon is 650 Teratons(He should be far above 325 but whatever)

What can the Hoaqin dude/dudette do against Devil heart?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Uhhh, I'm pretty sure Zenon 10c btw, although he's like far faster than characters that are far faster than characters that are far faster than characters that are 10c.

hmm
Thought he was baseline 20c scaling to Yuno.
One sec

edit: seems like he’s 10c, still waiting for confirmation.

 

[CloverDragon03]

He's 10c

Are we using 100% Zenon or Devil Zenon?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

He's 10c

Are we using 100% Zenon or Devil Zenon?

Devil Zenon

 

[CloverDragon03]

What can White do about the over 6x AP gap and the devil heart invulnerability? Does he have Holy Manipulation, Purification, or Unholy Manipulation?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Wait, isn't Pre-Devil Bargain/Devil Power Zenon what is being used here instead of Post-Devil Bargain Zenon? Did the OP not specify correctly?

 

[Azevedo128]

Wait, isn't Pre-Devil Bargain/Devil Power Zenon what is being used here instead of Post-Devil Bargain Zenon? Did the OP not specify correctly?

It is specified that this is post devil bargain Zenon.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

What can White do about the over 6x AP gap and the devil heart invulnerability? Does he have Holy Manipulation, Purification, or Unholy Manipulation?

I heard Baam had purification, idk if white has too.

The spatial stuff White has should ignore the AP/Dura gap.

White needs to counter BFR too cuz Zenon uses it as his second move IC.

 

[Arceus0x]

nah bruh i told yall BC vs ToG isn't a good idea, this feels like a stomp

 

[Arkenis]

Would it be more fair if it's just 100%?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Would it be more fair if it's just 100%?

No clue what White does, is it really those thousand blade thingys he can do?

Well it will make Zenon killable, and depending on what White can do, Zenon loses about half of his wincons and it might be a stomp for Zenon.

 

[Arkenis]

No clue what White does, is it really those thousand blade thingys he can do?

and his shinsoo control, has powernull

 

[Arkenis]

Well it will make Zenon killable, and depending on what White can do, Zenon loses about half of his wincons and it might be a stomp for Zenon.

I think Zenon should do fine even in just 100%