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Both would be on the character's tier, from 1-C to 1-A.truths scaling with oblivion or not, it's irrelevant isn't it? with the first case, the BFR and EE will be 1A and in the second the BFR will be 1B and EE 1A
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Both would be on the character's tier, from 1-C to 1-A.truths scaling with oblivion or not, it's irrelevant isn't it? with the first case, the BFR and EE will be 1A and in the second the BFR will be 1B and EE 1A
Well... But in both cases the EE would remain the same, wouldn't it?Both would be on the character's tier, from 1-C to 1-A.
Why would it be the same?Well... But in both cases the EE would remain the same, wouldn't it?
because EE comes directly from Oblivion, scaling BFR with Oblivion or not will not change the EE.Why would it be the same?
It doesn't come from Oblivion, it sends you to Oblivion.because EE comes directly from Oblivion, scaling BFR with Oblivion or not will not change the EE.
Truths is BFR, EE is a consequence of being sent to oblivion, so regardless of scaling truths with oblivion, EE would remain the same.It doesn't come from Oblivion, it sends you to Oblivion.
It wouldn't. The EE comes from the Truths erasing you. Litteraly any Umineko readers would know that, given how it is nearly on the same level as "Battler's family name is Ushiromiya".Truths is BFR, EE is a consequence of being sent to oblivion, so regardless of scaling truths with oblivion, EE would remain the same.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^But what about Bernkastel's declaration?
I think the main reason is it erases on a conceptual levelUpon being hit by a Truth, you will be sent into the Sea of Oblivion until you can finally think of a proper counter to the Truth (like Erika did). This obviously only applies in-verse as it gives all characters High-Godly regeneration.
what I'm confused is the EE doesn't come from the truths sending you to Oblivion?I think the main reason is it erases on a conceptual level
All EE make the target ends up in non-existence.what I'm confused is the EE doesn't come from the truths sending you to Oblivion?
It's just the non-existence that exist alongside all of existence. Accessing it gives no tier in itself.This is also why I disagree with Oblivion being the top of the cosmology. Makes negative amount of sense with Bern's shenanigans
Wouldn't interpreting it that way solve the issue of the truths as well? Since from what I understand you are saying Oblivion is a hierarchy that exists alongside the ladder, hence you can just argue truths only send the opponent to the portion of Oblivion that exists alongside their current layerIt's just the non-existence that exist alongside all of existence. Accessing it gives no tier in itself.
It's not a hierarchy, just regular non-existence. But it's kinda the same idea yeah. They can technically only explore a portion of it.Wouldn't interpreting it that way solve the issue of the truths as well? Since from what I understand you are saying Oblivion is a hierarchy that exists alongside the ladder, hence you can just argue truths only send the opponent to the portion of Oblivion that exists alongside their current layer
Yes we know that and her AP justification even mentions it iircFAA has another form, namely HACHIJO IKUKO (an author of umineko stories)
Ya kami tahu itu dan pembenaran AP-nya bahkan menyebutkannya iirc
Yes we know that and her AP justification even mentions it iirc
Yes we know that and her AP justification even mentions it iirc
Bukankah seharusnya Transdualitas tipe 3 ditambahkan ke kunci bentuk asli Featherine? (karena Pencipta memilikinya)
do you know the term transduality 3?,do you want to add transduality 3 in CRT Featherine?Shouldn't Transduality type 3 be added to Featherine's true form key?(since Creator has it)
What you posted only highlights how strong Featherine is in the context of her own verse. It doesn't highlight how strong she would be in a neutral tiering system made for cross-verse battles. She dropped a tier because her cosmology doesn't meet the standards to be higherSo, why did Featherine drop class? even we see here that Featherine's power is really great
Apa yang Anda posting hanya menyoroti seberapa kuat Featherine dalam konteks syairnya sendiri. Itu tidak menyoroti seberapa kuat dia dalam sistem tier netral yang dibuat untuk pertempuran lintas-ayat. Dia menjatuhkan tingkat karena kosmologinya tidak memenuhi standar untuk menjadi lebih tinggi
Featherine (FAA) can incorporate real humans (all of us with 3D dimensions) into novels/fiction and can also bring characters from the fictional world (pictures/fiction with 2D dimensions or beyond) into the real world.What you posted only highlights how strong Featherine is in the context of her own verse. It doesn't highlight how strong she would be in a neutral tiering system made for cross-verse battles. She dropped a tier because her cosmology doesn't meet the standards to be higher
What, are you sure you read the thread and the reason for her downgrade.this was enough to prove that Featherine had to advance to H1A
???¿¿¿Featherine (FAA) can incorporate real humans (all of us with 3D dimensions) into novels/fiction
¿¿¿???can also bring characters from the fictional world (pictures/fiction with 2D dimensions or beyond) into the real world.
Yea that's a higher layer compared to Beato's territoryIn the Featherine Studies library, Chik Beatrice studies the original fragment of her past (Beatrice) that is in the story/fragment
No it's not sufficientthis was enough to prove that Featherine had to advance to H1A
What is up with new users coming into this thread out of the blue (and most of them have accounts created months ago) ? Were y'all waiting for a perfect moment for a debut here ?
What is up with new users coming into this thread out of the blue (and most of them have accounts created months ago) ? Were y'all waiting for a perfect moment for a debut here ?
no i'm not sure i've read all the downgrade threads,. can you help me to straighten this out? I think this downgrade is not validWhat, are you sure you read the thread and the reason for her downgrade.
What, are you sure you read the thread and the reason for her downgrade.
ya,bahkan city of book setara dengan Featherine's studyBeato
yes, even the city of book is equivalent to Featherine's studybahkan
Featherine (FAA) can summon virgilia and chick beatrice to the city of books, in order to make chick beatrice learn about himself who is loved by his father and creator (Battler).
No it's not. Please read up on the tiering systemis this not enough to prove Featherine H1A?
Scans or evidence for it should be found, seeing as none is there currentlyShouldn't Transduality type 3 be added to Featherine's true form key?(since Creator has it)
"Characters that can influence and create/destroy a truly transcendent state or realm above the infinitely layered Outerversal hierarchy and any of its extensions, as well as the framework within which those entities are defined in the first place. Note that only adding more "layers" to an already infinite 1-A hierarchy (or several structures of equivalent size) is not sufficient to reach this level, and one must be completely external and unreachable by it in any form"No it's not. Please read up on the tiering system
She's litteraly baseline 1-A. Did you read the thread's main post?"Characters that can influence and create/destroy a truly transcendent state or realm above the infinitely layered Outerversal hierarchy and any of its extensions, as well as the framework within which those entities are defined in the first place. Note that only adding more "layers" to an already infinite 1-A hierarchy (or several structures of equivalent size) is not sufficient to reach this level, and one must be completely external and unreachable by it in any form"
so,..Featherine is a creature with an otversal hierarchical structure where it is the main requirement for H1A, according to my order, I saw VSB as you said even though I already understood the requirements to become H1A.
I think I'm reading the thread a bit less, so can you help me straighten this out?She's litteraly baseline 1-A. Did you read the thread's main post?
You litteraly just need to read the very first post.I think I'm reading the thread a bit less, so can you help me straighten this out?
FAA has another form, namely HACHIJO IKUKO (an author of umineko stories)you need to provide proof there's a 1-A structure here to begin with, that's what this whole thread is about.