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Both would be on the character's tier, from 1-C to 1-A.
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When Creators Cry: Answer Arcs (Yes, it's a downgrade)
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Well... But in both cases the EE would remain the same, wouldn't it?
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Why would it be the same?
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because EE comes directly from Oblivion, scaling BFR with Oblivion or not will not change the EE.
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It doesn't come from Oblivion, it sends you to Oblivion.
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Truths is BFR, EE is a consequence of being sent to oblivion, so regardless of scaling truths with oblivion, EE would remain the same.
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It wouldn't. The EE comes from the Truths erasing you. Litteraly any Umineko readers would know that, given how it is nearly on the same level as "Battler's family name is Ushiromiya".
In fact the Truths litteraly don't even have BFR on their page.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^But what about Bernkastel's declaration?
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This was said by Edwardtruong2006 in another thread, is it wrong?
Why is this not a consequence of them dying and instead a direct effect of the Truths themselves?
There are two ways to 'die' in the Meta-World, as you can't die from just being killed to death. One, you stop thinking, and two, you get erased by a Truth.
Upon being hit by a Truth, you will be sent into the Sea of Oblivion until you can finally think of a proper counter to the Truth (like Erika did). This obviously only applies in-verse as it gives all characters High-Godly regeneration. This is why Truths are not the former, as it doesn't prevent meta-beings from thinking and forcibly erases them anyways.
If they were to die in the only other ways in the Meta-World, (i.e. they stop thinking or are forcibly taken off the game board by a higher being) they wouldn't be able to actively try and 'think' while in nonexistence.
Why is this not a consequence of them dying and instead a direct effect of the Truths themselves?
There are two ways to 'die' in the Meta-World, as you can't die from just being killed to death. One, you stop thinking, and two, you get erased by a Truth.
Upon being hit by a Truth, you will be sent into the Sea of Oblivion until you can finally think of a proper counter to the Truth (like Erika did). This obviously only applies in-verse as it gives all characters High-Godly regeneration. This is why Truths are not the former, as it doesn't prevent meta-beings from thinking and forcibly erases them anyways.
If they were to die in the only other ways in the Meta-World, (i.e. they stop thinking or are forcibly taken off the game board by a higher being) they wouldn't be able to actively try and 'think' while in nonexistence.
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I think the main reason is it erases on a conceptual level
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what I'm confused is the EE doesn't come from the truths sending you to Oblivion?
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All EE make the target ends up in non-existence.
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It's just the non-existence that exist alongside all of existence. Accessing it gives no tier in itself.
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Wouldn't interpreting it that way solve the issue of the truths as well? Since from what I understand you are saying Oblivion is a hierarchy that exists alongside the ladder, hence you can just argue truths only send the opponent to the portion of Oblivion that exists alongside their current layer
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It's not a hierarchy, just regular non-existence. But it's kinda the same idea yeah. They can technically only explore a portion of it.
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Yes we know that and her AP justification even mentions it iirc
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FEATHERINE AUGUSTUS AURORA is an observer magician who in his time had won many games, as a sign of his golden age, he carried a lot and awards on his sash
In the head of the FAA it is called divine memory, this FAA divine memory accommodates a lot of FAA memories that existed in the past.,,, if he (FAA) is affected by the damage, then he (FAA) will lose his memory and become amnesiac or forget to be himself .,, that's why Lambdadelta (Voyager) intends to attack the FAA's divine memory to make the FAA lose his memory or lose his identity,..but before attacking the FAA stopped the story on Umineko because the FAA knew that Lambdadelta wanted to attack his DM (Devine Memory).
FAA's divine memory is very strong, it can't even affect it using physical, magic, etc... but if the divine memory is cracked or damaged, due to damage or the strongest attack, then he will become amnesiac and lose his memory.
He is weakened by a deadly disease that is boredom.
When that happened the FAA was pensive and thought about the concept of free will and the actual concept of death.
He believes that he is just a fictional character created by someone called "the creator" after thinking about it, the FAA's point of view on the concept of free will and the concept differs from the general view.
So, why did Featherine drop class? even we see here that Featherine's power is really great
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What you posted only highlights how strong Featherine is in the context of her own verse. It doesn't highlight how strong she would be in a neutral tiering system made for cross-verse battles. She dropped a tier because her cosmology doesn't meet the standards to be higher
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Featherine (FAA) can incorporate real humans (all of us with 3D dimensions) into novels/fiction and can also bring characters from the fictional world (pictures/fiction with 2D dimensions or beyond) into the real world.
He can also change the position of the world hierarchy at will.
In the Featherine Studies library, Chik Beatrice studies the original fragment of her past (Beatrice) that is in the story/fragment
this was enough to prove that Featherine had to advance to H1A
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What, are you sure you read the thread and the reason for her downgrade.
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Yea that's a higher layer compared to Beato's territory
No it's not sufficient
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no i'm not sure i've read all the downgrade threads,. can you help me to straighten this out? I think this downgrade is not valid
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ya,bahkan city of book setara dengan Featherine's study
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yes, even the city of book is equivalent to Featherine's study
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Featherine (FAA) can summon virgilia and chick beatrice to the city of books, in order to make chick beatrice learn about himself who is loved by his father and creator (Battler).
He was given permission to read the fragments collected in the city of books by Featherine (FAA) directly.
The City of Books being in the same area as Featherine's Study is described in very similar terms to it. Erika stated:
"that place is the territory of the Witches" and as mentioned earlier, that's where they keep whatever stories they end up liking, and the whole realm itself consists of Featherine's personal collection of carefully selected books.
is this not enough to prove Featherine H1A?
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No it's not. Please read up on the tiering system
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Scans or evidence for it should be found, seeing as none is there currently
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"Characters that can influence and create/destroy a truly transcendent state or realm above the infinitely layered Outerversal hierarchy and any of its extensions, as well as the framework within which those entities are defined in the first place. Note that only adding more "layers" to an already infinite 1-A hierarchy (or several structures of equivalent size) is not sufficient to reach this level, and one must be completely external and unreachable by it in any form"
so,..Featherine is a creature with an otversal hierarchical structure where it is the main requirement for H1A, according to my order, I saw VSB as you said even though I already understood the requirements to become H1A.
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She's litteraly baseline 1-A. Did you read the thread's main post?
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you need to provide proof there's a 1-A structure here to begin with, that's what this whole thread is about.
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I think I'm reading the thread a bit less, so can you help me straighten this out?
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You litteraly just need to read the very first post.
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FAA has another form, namely HACHIJO IKUKO (an author of umineko stories)
however Hachijo Ikuko canceled the original author of the Umineko story.
Umineko's story stems from the true experience of a paralyzed man named HACHIJO TOYA whom he saves and cares for.
Ikuko raised Tohya's story into a novel and the game exploded and became famous and is predicted to be the most controversial fiction because it holds the riddle of the Rokkenjima incident where the ushiromiya noble family was massacred.
At the Featherine library (FAA), ..chik Beatrice learns the fragments of her original (Beatrice) past that are in the story/fragment
Within that fragment Chik Beatrice met various Beatrices from different worlds.
This proves that a book in the Featherine's library (Featherine's Study) not only collects 1 piece of the world, but also collects many pieces of the world (multiverse) and even explains the extent of Umineko's cosmology being in the outverse +, the FAA became the creator even he lived and died many times. -times because of boredom
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