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Even that wouldn't necessarily be 1-A BFR depending on how it's done.They shouldn't scale,BFR's potency only scales to beings that it can send afaik (i.e 1-A BFR is sending a 1-A being to different place)
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Even that wouldn't necessarily be 1-A BFR depending on how it's done.They shouldn't scale,BFR's potency only scales to beings that it can send afaik (i.e 1-A BFR is sending a 1-A being to different place)
I agree even if my favorite verse will lost some smurf.That's actually something I can somewhat agree with tbh. Besides, I'm not sure if character actually scale to the "places" they BFR others to in the first place. Not sure why they'd scale to the Oblivion when they just send stuff there through denying them.
I mean you can't use 3-D BFR to affect a 1-A being physically, instead 1-A BFR is needed?Even that wouldn't necessarily be 1-A BFR depending on how it's done.
Depends of the 1-A guy and of the BFR mechanics, although most wouldn't do much.I mean you can't use 3-D BFR to affect a 1-A being physically, instead 1-A BFR is needed?
Not yet. I can't debate much till tommorow (and I have precisions to make regarding Ultima's comment) and another thing seems to get added to the list.
Killing someone doesn't mean you BFR them to afterlife. They just end up there because of the rules of the cosmologyThat's actually something I can somewhat agree with tbh. Besides, I'm not sure if character actually scale to the "places" they BFR others to in the first place. Not sure why they'd scale to the Oblivion when they just send stuff there through denying them.
You actually do but don't scale to it or anything.Killing someone doesn't mean you BFR them to afterlife. They just end up there because of the rules of the cosmology
It's not you who is sending them to afterlife. You are just killing them. They end up there because of the rules of their world(speaking generally btw)You actually do but don't scale to it or anything.
That's basically what I saidKilling someone doesn't mean you BFR them to afterlife. They just end up there because of the rules of the cosmology
Okay then.It's not you who is sending them to afterlife. You are just killing them. They end up there because of the rules of their world(speaking generally btw)
As said by Ultima, I conceded his point on witches (imo there's not enough to disprove it even if I'm not for it, if it was something getting added it could have been refused but removing is harder; although it also mean I'm not gonna argue against Darkmash either).Note, also, that Beatrice is never really referred to as being special in that regard, and further down the line, we meet Piece, who outright describes herself as being an entity whose esistence is similar to the pillar supporting the world: That is, if said pillar is a great candle lit by Featherine's energy, then she is a another candle of a similar degree, but whose flames are completely separate from those of the pillar:
Think I already developped on that, but basically these "Great Witches" are called "Top Layer(s) Witches" in the databook used as shown prior.The only thing we seem to disagree on, so far, is on the subject of the "third domain," but that seems to have moreso to do with the issue of how it would fit into the cosmology that Lambdadelta describes in her memoirs. I, for one, can entertain the possibility that it's beyond the ladder she describes, but that'd probably lead to a notably messy arrangement of the cosmology that the author most likely didn't intend, given how neatly arranged what he does formulate is. So, in regards to tiering, I'm largely neutral, though I think Yuri could elaborate more on what we discussed.
Well, I'm the one who gave the idea of Oblivion being the background of all of existence at the time of the previous revisions, and my view was that it was the background for really everything, not stopping at whatever place so I obviously agree.I have some new things that I've been wanting to bring up for a while, though: For one, we currently deem the World of the Creators to be beyond the Depths of Oblivion and the furthest possible point of the cosmology; that contradicts Featherine stating that even Gods can potentially give in to the poison of boredom and stop thinking, and die as a result of that, which in Umineko means sinking back into the depths. The interview with Ryukishi that Yuri posted in the OP corroborates this, as well, since it states that, a long time ago, Featherine died, and then returned "as a writer" (i.e a Creator)
So, in my view, there's precedent for us to not really consider the World of the Creators to the above the Depths of Oblivion, though I admit you can poke holes in this, too, what with Voyagers being able to access the latter and yet being terrified of ever reaching the former and Bernkastel being able to travel even through the deepest parts of Oblivion and yet being completely lost after being drawn into Featherine's Study.
As said prior, I 100% agree with that.That's just because "dead" things end up in oblivion. Scaling truths to Oblivion would be like scaling the knife of a murderer to afterlife.
Oblivion's 1-A.Why does being unrestricted to a H1-B cosmology grants one 1-A? It's kinda vague and I do believe it's L1-A like Oblivion (Marvel), or am I missing something?
Creators are unrestricted by the whole thing, I assume, at least L1-A because it indicate some sort of transcendence even though it's not much.Still don't understand why is one layer above High 1-B is low 1-A or even 1-A tbh,technically infinity+1 is still infinity (which is the case for FAA unless I miss sth)
I think it's something about how the hierarchy has restrictions, and the creator doesn't, making it fundamentally different in nature to the hierarchyWhat is the evidence of 1-A?
Is it proof that being unrestricted by H1-B cosmology can be 1A?
Infinity + x = infinity actually only work if you don't treat infinity as a number or defined set, and well, we do the opposite.Still don't understand why is one layer above High 1-B is low 1-A or even 1-A tbh,technically infinity+1 is still infinity (which is the case for FAA unless I miss sth)
Countless D I believe, Great Witches should be a bit higher than 1-B Witches tho.How much high the 1-B are for Witched and Great Witches?
Which classification Bern had? Great Witches?Countless D I believe, a bit higher than 1-B Witches tho.
Yeah. Voyager Witch, IIRC.Which classification Bern had? Great Witches?
Nah, Voyager.Which classification Bern had? Great Witches?
I seeNah, Voyager.
Wait Voyager isn't a Great Witch?Nah, Voyager.
The ones we refer as Great Witches are considered waaay above the cast we saw.Wait Voyager isn't a Great Witch?
Can you give me a name of one?The ones we refer as Great Witches are considered waaay above the cast we saw.
They are the ones near the end of the ladder.
We don't have any named one as of now.Can you give me a name of one?