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We need to talk about Universal Energy Systems
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Thanks.
Also if you could assist with the power-scaling related criteria for non-UES stuff, that would also be great.
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What's left?
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Basically, wording the criteria for tackling the power-scaling aspect of non-UES stuff which basically allows them to qualify if they follow the same criteria as UES.
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Are these situations extensive enough that we can't just say "if it meets the UES conditions without explicitly being one, it should be considered a UES for the character in question"
Sorry, there's a bit of vsbw hivemind going on, where you all have the background from being in here longer and I'm a bit confused. (Not that it's a bad thing, I'm just new).
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Seems like it.
I'm still not fully sure on how we should add Criteria 7. It's very specifically tailored for Creation Feats in general and me personally I think it fits better on the Creation Feats page (Specifically the types of evidence one would use to qualify for the criteria). Should we just add this criteria to the Creation Feats page and then link to the UES page beside it?
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Sure, I guess.
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We'd still have to work out a solution for non-UES stuff. Maybe this?
"Scaling a person's unique individual supernatural power (Like a genetic mutation for example) connected to their own internal energy source (Like their stamina, for example) to their own physical strength is a case-by-case basis. If the character qualifies the above criteria used to determine the validity of scaling UES-based feats to one physicals, it can be safely assumed that the character's unique abilities scale to his own physical strength as well. If not, it would be safer to assume that the person's abilities scale above their physical strength unless proven otherwise via powerscaling."
Sorry I couldn't work out the wording and ended up butchering it. Suggestions are welcome.
EDIT: Sorry that I mentioned "a separate individual's energy source", I actually wanted to talk about scaling Character A's unique power connected to their own internal energy source, to their own physicals. Fixed now.
"Scaling a person's unique individual supernatural power (Like a genetic mutation for example) connected to their own internal energy source (Like their stamina, for example) to their own physical strength is a case-by-case basis. If the character qualifies the above criteria used to determine the validity of scaling UES-based feats to one physicals, it can be safely assumed that the character's unique abilities scale to his own physical strength as well. If not, it would be safer to assume that the person's abilities scale above their physical strength unless proven otherwise via powerscaling."
Sorry I couldn't work out the wording and ended up butchering it. Suggestions are welcome.
EDIT: Sorry that I mentioned "a separate individual's energy source", I actually wanted to talk about scaling Character A's unique power connected to their own internal energy source, to their own physicals. Fixed now.
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I think its excellent, both detailed and comprehensible.
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Done. New draft has been edited to our specifications.
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I'd expect that it's pretty rare that a person's unique individual supernatural power would be connected to a different individual's energy source, and then to some individual's physical strength. Is that really something worth mentioning? Shouldn't that text more talk about connecting to the own character's energy source and their own physical strength?
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Usually in most verses the superpower is connected to the character's stamina source which in turn also influences the character's physical attacks, but I suppose I wouldn't be above adding some additional info about connecting to the character's own energy source and their own physical strength.
But wouldn't that be covered by having to prove the "singular energy source" and "common energy source" criteria (Where the person's stamina would serve to be both)? And the "direct correlation criteria"? Just sayin'.
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Let me just quote your post:
It implies that this applies when there are two characters, character A and character B.
Character A has a unique individual super power, which is connected to character B's internal energy source, which is connected to the physical strength of one of those characters.
I'd expect most cases to not have a second character, so to have the wording based around there being two characters is really weird.
I bolded my problem I have with your wording.
It implies that this applies when there are two characters, character A and character B.
Character A has a unique individual super power, which is connected to character B's internal energy source, which is connected to the physical strength of one of those characters.
I'd expect most cases to not have a second character, so to have the wording based around there being two characters is really weird.
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Oh, that?
Actually in that bolded part I was mostly talking about the energy source of said individual with his own power, not that I was talking about that individual person scaling to someone else's energy source (That's not how we'd do things anyway). Sorry if I worded it wrong. Fixed now. I'll work on fixing it in the draft later once Hellbeast gives me editing access again.
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Might have been addressed before but I’m thinking of adding a note for verses with multiple magic or schools of power system.
Basically character A fits all the criteria but his power has entirely different properties from the majority of the verse, whom don’t fit the criteria. Surely it wouldn’t be fair to use Character A to make everyone else fit the criteria right, ignoring their own properties
Granted this is more for verses with multiple types of magic ala the Marvel universe or even stuff like God of War (you have the magic of Greece, the Runes and the Seior magic). I don’t know whether this should be a factor or if this should just be a note; what y’all think?
Basically character A fits all the criteria but his power has entirely different properties from the majority of the verse, whom don’t fit the criteria. Surely it wouldn’t be fair to use Character A to make everyone else fit the criteria right, ignoring their own properties
Granted this is more for verses with multiple types of magic ala the Marvel universe or even stuff like God of War (you have the magic of Greece, the Runes and the Seior magic). I don’t know whether this should be a factor or if this should just be a note; what y’all think?
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It being a note is better. Fits in line with the non-UES stuff.
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Speaking of this, a quick question about the power system of Devil May Cry.
Why it is called Demonic Energy, when instead its referred as Magic?
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Both
For example... Demon World is originally called World of Darkness....and even Magic Realm or World of Magic.
Though more accurately the difference between Demon Energy and Magic is same as Stamina and Chakra in Naruto.
Both are used interchangeable as terms throughout series.
For example... Demon World is originally called World of Darkness....and even Magic Realm or World of Magic.
Though more accurately the difference between Demon Energy and Magic is same as Stamina and Chakra in Naruto.
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So its something akin to God of War? Magic be the actual power system, while Godly Energy of the gods/demigods/mythical creatures its what powering up.
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I wouldn't make that broad of a comparison. Though there are many fundamental similarities, demonic energy and magic for all intents and purposes are same, differences are trivial.
You can just read the blog Cyber made to know what exactly it is. Closest comparison is Chakra from Naruto.
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What are the staff and honorary staff (Agnaa and KLOL506) conclusions regarding the suggestions here so far?
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Universal Energy System (Draft)
Summary A fairly common element in fictional stories are the incredible feats and powers certain characters possess, often being borne out of fantastical or otherwise otherworldly elements such as Magic, Chakra, Chi and a myriad of other possible sources. Often the argument is made for a characte...
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This probably needs to be made in a staff thread. The thread is too long to make sense of it, and since it is about a wiki-wide standard, most of the staff members need to participate, which I don't see in this thread.
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Okay. That is fine with me. Are any staff or honorary staff members here willing to create such a thread, which explains the relevant arguments so far in the first post?
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Do I still get to make my final comment on it tho?
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@KLOL506 and @Agnaa are most aware of topic at hand, along with staff members @DarkDragonMedeus and @UchihaSlayer96
KLOL506 and Agnaa having discussed extensively over the points in blog.
KLOL506 has made new draft taking into account new arguements after the discussion and its conclusion. So he is most suited for the job.
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On the new staff thread from looks of it. So you'll need permission after it is created.
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I guess you can make a final comment when it is made.
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I can contact the staff members that agreed with my original response to check out the new draft then.
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Colonel Krukov, Elizhaa, KingTempest, LordGriffin, Glassman, UchihaSlayer, DemonGodMitchAubin and DDM were all present to give a response to my original response to Hellbeast's draft and to the new one. Bambu also gave kudos to my original response, I believe.
Agnaa also eventually conceded to our brand new draft after doing some heavy corrections recommended by him.
Hellbeast still has yet to add his "In a verse with multiple energy systems, just because one energy system qualifies the criteria, it does not mean that all energy systems do the same, and they will have to be individually proved that they qualify the criteria, and that for the energy systems to scale in AP one would need to show proof of power-scaling" note so once he adds that, the draft will be finished.
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Well technically it's Hellbeast's draft, I just got editing access and added a bunch of the criteria I proposed and somesuch.
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