Samurai Jack Aku Profile Additions

[Eneseditzm0]

I'm starting for the Missing features and upgrades in Aku's Profile.

Powers with 4a (Universal Energy Systems):We added Aku 4A as creation in the profile, but I am in favor of making him 4a with Ues, not creation, and let me explain.As mentioned on the page, Aku creates this reality with his own magic, but his magic also comes from darkness, which is explained in this series.Also, all of Aku's power comes from the darkness, as the priestess said, so all his power comes from the same source."Aku, our lord and master is one with the darkness. He was born from it. It fills him with infinite power. We, too, must become one with it. We are forever grateful and ever in your service."
What I mean is that Aku does not create anything from nothing, it creates it with the energy that meets all its other powers and this is compatible with the Universal energy systems.Jack said in the game that Aku created this place with his own darkness, this place is connected to Aku's darkness, that is, his energy in the dark, Aku's death caused this place to collapse.

(at least) Possibly H3a:The High Priestess said that Aku was born from darkness and that the Darkness gave him infinite power."Aku, our lord and master is one with the darkness. He was born from it. It fills him with infinite power. We, too, must become one with it. We are forever grateful and ever in your service."

Tier High 3-A

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intergalactic range:Aku stated that he took the water of a planet in another galaxy from them with his own powers."My lord, we are the Vadaquas from the Mosconian Galaxy.
Our water planet has been pillaged. All the
oceans that were once our home are gone.We have searched long to find a planet withoceans rich enough to sustain our people and your world is our last hope for survival.I know of your plight,Vadaquian.
For you see, I am he who has taken
your waters and the riches within them."
And to all these Ashi and the Gods are scaled because they are equal to and superior to Aku

 

[Eneseditzm0]

BUMP

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm unsure about the "Infinite power" parts, but "Being one with the Darkness" does seem reasonable.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

I'm unsure about the "Infinite power" parts, but "Being one with the Darkness" does seem reasonable.

infinite power was said with a single statement and I think it would probably get at least h3a.Also, what do you think about range and Ues?

 

[Qawsedf234]

(at least) Possibly H3a:The High Priestess said that Aku was born from darkness and that the Darkness gave him infinite power."Aku, our lord and master is one with the darkness. He was born from it. It fills him with infinite power. We, too, must become one with it. We are forever grateful and ever in your service."

Tier High 3-A

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I don't see High 3-A. We have an FAQ about infinite power statements

Q: What is the Tier for possessing Infinite Power or Infinite Strength?​

A: Statements regarding infinite power, infinite strength, or unlimited quantities do not automatically indicate an ability to produce an infinite amount of energy at once. For example, a power source that never depletes could have an infinite quantity of energy, but can't necessarily be wielded with infinite magnitude (not all at once). Statements involving "infinite power/strength" must be clearly indicative of magnitude to qualify for tiering, in order to avoid inflated ratings or inconsistencies in a story. Further, the hyperbolic nature of the phrase must be taken into consideration, where characters are prone to describing someone's power as infinite in a context where it is so great as to be insurmountable from their perspective, but not truly infinite in a manner relevant to their tier. If proven, however, statements of infinite strength would qualify for High 3-A or higher if evidence regarding a higher degree of infinity above baseline is established.

You must show that Aku can weld an infinite magnitude of power. Which hasn't been shown.

intergalactic range:Aku stated that he took the water of a planet in another galaxy from them with his own powers.

This would work, if Aku did teleport the oceans while on Earth. But we also know that he can just fly to different solar systems/galaxies. I don't see why he couldn't have just... shown up to their world and stole it like that.

What I mean is that Aku does not create anything from nothing, it creates it with the energy that meets all its other powers and this is compatible with the Universal energy systems

For UES you have to prove the criteria. The first step is this one though

In order to qualify for a Limited Energy System and do scaling according to it, a character or the system they are using must have explanations or showings that indicate that the powers which should scale to each other draw from the same source of power (or can convert between the different kinds of power) and use up a similar amount of power to each other. Alternatively, it would also suffice to show that the user can invest similar amounts of power into any given technique, should they want to.

The key point is "Use a similar amount of power to each other". Having abilities fueled by an energy system isn't enough for a UES. You have to prove comparable depletion rates or evidence of energy transfer.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

don't see High 3-A. We have an FAQ about infinite power statements
You must show that Aku can weld an infinite magnitude of power. Which hasn't been shown

I were undecided about this, I presented it as at least probably h3a.

This would work, if Aku did teleport the oceans while on Earth. But we also know that he can just fly to different solar systems/galaxies. I don't see why he couldn't have just... shown up to their world and stole it like that.

Doesn't that mean we agree on the range?

The key point is "Use a similar amount of power to each other". Having abilities fueled by an energy system isn't enough for a UES. You have to prove comparable depletion rates or evidence of energy transfer.

Actually, I wasn't going to put this as a ues, I thought of it more as non-physical energy system.Well, wouldn't this be a non-physical energy system?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I do disagree with the infinite energy part. Mainly because I don't think the priestess counts as reliable info considering it's literally just a cult worshiping the dude. He has practically no real connection to them since he forgot entirely about them with the singular interaction that he's shown to have is him literally just teleporting in, admiring himself, giving a bit of Aku goop, and then dipping.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

I do disagree with the infinite energy part. Mainly because I don't think the priestess counts as reliable info considering it's literally just a cult worshiping the dude. He has practically no real connection to them since he forgot entirely about them with the singular interaction that he's shown to have is him literally just teleporting in, admiring himself, giving a bit of Aku goop, and then dipping.

I put it as probably because I wasn't really sure.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Doesn't that mean we agree on the range?

There's two scenarios:

• Aku goes to the planet with his inter-stellar flight and steals the oceans
• Aku teleports the oceans from another galaxy

The former has been shown as something he can canonically do, not the latter afaik. So I don't think he would get inter-galactic range.

Well, wouldn't this be a non-physical energy system?

No, because that has the same qualifications as a UES. You have to show a total energy pool and depletion rates for the energy.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

There's two scenarios:

• Aku goes to the planet with his inter-stellar flight and steals the oceans
• Aku teleports the oceans from another galaxy

The former has been shown as something he can canonically do, not the latter afaik. So I don't think he would get inter-galactic range.

Aku never actually went there and they didn't even know that Aku took it until Aku told them that he did, since the water on the planet suddenly disappeared, it is a teleportation.Aku could use telekinesis and similar abilities with just his thoughts.In the series, Aku couldn't control water, so he needed the Neptune Jewel, which can't be anything other than teleportation.In fact, if you look, when Aku went to the planet of the Imakandi, he summoned some gold, that is, these were from the earth, because Aku did not take anything with him, this was done by teleportation and Let me come to what you said about UES.Aku's body, that is, his darkness, actually contains magic and energy, it is the energy source that feeds the ultra robots, scaramouche and many other robots, this energy comes from his darkness and with this darkness he created the pocket reality, Aku's death caused the darkness to end and reality to collapse.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

There's two scenarios:

• Aku goes to the planet with his inter-stellar flight and steals the oceans
• Aku teleports the oceans from another galaxy

The former has been shown as something he can canonically do, not the latter afaik. So I don't think he would get inter-galactic range.

No, because that has the same qualifications as a UES. You have to show a total energy pool and depletion rates for the energy

I waiting for your answer.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Aku never actually went there

How do you know that?

when Aku went to the planet of the Imakandi, he summoned some gold, that is, these were from the earth, because Aku did not take anything with him, this was done by teleportation

Aku can create things, as evidence by the suggested 4-A upgrade. By accepting that Aku can create objects you accept that he can create gems and gold.

.Aku's body, that is, his darkness, actually contains magic and energy, it is the energy source that feeds the ultra robots, scaramouche and many other robots, this energy comes from his darkness and with this darkness he created the pocket reality, Aku's death caused the darkness to end and reality to collapse.

None of that is evidence for a UES type system. Being powered by the same energy pool doesn't mean anything unless you can show similar drains between his powers.

 

[Eneseditzm0]

Aku can create things, as evidence by the suggested 4-A upgrade. By accepting that Aku can create objects you accept that he can create gems and gold.

yes, but he also uses the fiery summoning form that he uses to teleport him while teleporting.

 

[Mythic381]

(at least) Possibly H3a:The High Priestess said that Aku was born from darkness and that the Darkness gave him infinite power."Aku, our lord and master is one with the darkness. He was born from it. It fills him with infinite power. We, too, must become one with it. We are forever grateful and ever in your service."

Tier High 3-A

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This feels hyperbolic to be honest, no reason to assume 1 statement of infinite power is sufficient to say he's H3-A.

Powers with 4a (Universal Energy Systems):We added Aku 4A as creation in the profile, but I am in favor of making him 4a with Ues, not creation, and let me explain.As mentioned on the page, Aku creates this reality with his own magic, but his magic also comes from darkness, which is explained in this series.Also, all of Aku's power comes from the darkness, as the priestess said, so all his power comes from the same source."Aku, our lord and master is one with the darkness. He was born from it. It fills him with infinite power. We, too, must become one with it. We are forever grateful and ever in your service."
What I mean is that Aku does not create anything from nothing, it creates it with the energy that meets all its other powers and this is compatible with the Universal energy systems.Jack said in the game that Aku created this place with his own darkness, this place is connected to Aku's darkness, that is, his energy in the dark, Aku's death caused this place to collapse.

Yeah no, disagree via Qawsed's reasoning.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looking back, I actually decided to binge watch the series and now notice serious problems with the 4-A rating. Firstly, it was no pocket dimension, but simply a parallel timeline. Which sounds like a Low 2-C upgrade except; it's really not. He did not create the alternate reality in a traditional sense, it was simply teleporting Jack to the distant future and reigning his tyranny uncontested for 1000 years to conquer not just the earth but the whole universe. Of course, space-time anomalies happen such as Jack not being able to age due to not belonging in the time period, but that either has more to do with Jack's "Chosen by destiny" status or just the natural order of the timeline rather than Aku's powers. Likewise, when he returned to the past and destroyed Aku, it simply altered the space-time continuum where Aku no longer exists in the distant future and thus Ashi got erased, or so it seems. Only sign of her are memories, hinted by the lady bug in the final episode.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Looking back, I actually decided to binge watch the series and now notice serious problems with the 4-A rating. Firstly, it was no pocket dimension, but simply a parallel timeline. Which sounds like a Low 2-C upgrade except; it's really not. He did not create the alternate reality in a traditional sense, it was simply teleporting Jack to the distant future and reigning his tyranny uncontested for 1000 years to conquer not just the earth but the whole universe. Of course, space-time anomalies happen such as Jack not being able to age due to not belonging in the time period, but that either has more to do with Jack's "Chosen by destiny" status or just the natural order of the timeline rather than Aku's powers. Likewise, when he returned to the past and destroyed Aku, it simply altered the space-time continuum where Aku no longer exists in the distant future and thus Ashi got erased, or so it seems. Only sign of her are memories, hinted by the lady bug in the final episode.

Game runs under different rules. The 4-A argument isn't relying on the fact Aku flung Jack into the future but instead the fact that the entire plot of the game is "a pocket between time" because during the finale of the series when Ashi time traveled with Jack back to the past, Aku blasted a laser which sent them to a timeless place, one with no past or future.

The game is pretty explicit in that the entire thing is maintained by Aku, as you need to destroy his amulets to weaken the dimension and destroy Aku himself in order to destroy the dimension outright. It does have some additional properties to it like having false versions of characters. Generally characters are treated as if their history already happened to some extent, however Aku does make it so that Jack kills 'Ashi' who turns out to just be a false copy unrelated to the her actual self. Despite this, if we take the alternative ending seriously, the time pocket copy of the future does prevent Ashi from being erased since it contains a copy of the future to allow her to keep existing despite the time paradox.

Don't particularly care what final consensus is (especially since this is already on the profile now anyway) but I figured it's important to note that this has nothing to do with the actual events of the TV series but rather a side-story that takes place at the literal tail end of it.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Game runs under different rules. The 4-A argument isn't relying on the fact Aku flung Jack into the future but instead the fact that the entire plot of the game is "a pocket between time" because during the finale of the series when Ashi time traveled with Jack back to the past, Aku blasted a laser which sent them to a timeless place, one with no past or future.

The game is pretty explicit in that the entire thing is maintained by Aku, as you need to destroy his amulets to weaken the dimension and destroy Aku himself in order to destroy the dimension outright. It does have some additional properties to it like having false versions of characters. Generally characters are treated as if their history already happened to some extent, however Aku does make it so that Jack kills 'Ashi' who turns out to just be a false copy unrelated to the her actual self. Despite this, if we take the alternative ending seriously, the time pocket copy of the future does prevent Ashi from being erased since it contains a copy of the future to allow her to keep existing despite the time paradox.

Don't particularly care what final consensus is (especially since this is already on the profile now anyway) but I figured it's important to note that this has nothing to do with the actual events of the TV series but rather a side-story that takes place at the literal tail end of it.

Kind of forgot about the game's existence. And was about to ask if it was canon, but saw that even the Wikipedia page basically confirmed it's canon and approved by Genndy Tardakovski. So nevermind on that, but there should be works cited references in case the YouTube videos get taken down due to copyright system. And I vaguely remember the links being absent last time I checked.