We have to catch Kira (remake)

[Jozaysmith?]

This is an intellectual battle

Case​

He have the death note and wants to change humanity by killing all the criminals in the world or anyone he sees fit, but unfortunately for him, the greatest detective from the white room enters the case and promises to catch kira by all means possible

Rules​

• Kira have the death note and can communicate with ryuk
• Ayanokoji have police officers and law enforcement as his support
• Kira can use the ability to know their true names and age
• Ayanokoji can't physically attack anyone and he doesn't go by his real name.
• Kira wins by knowing ayanokoji real name
• Ayanokoji wins by arresting kira

World view​

• Whiteroom has no record of their graduates
• Kira have no leads
• Case is taking in japan, Tokyo
• Date is 23/3/2023
• Population of citizens is well over 10.3 million people

Who wins in this?

• The perfect human​

• The God of the new world​

 

[XxZetsuxX]

You know how unfair this is if you give Light Shinigami eyes?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Btw, What's their initial position? Is Light in his house? Is Koji in the WR or in the same place L was?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

And what Light are we using here? Before Lind L Tailor (AKA student Light) or Current Light (AKA adult Light)

 

[RoggerReggor]

Alright, so unlike earlier, I genuinely believe that Ayanokouji will have a big advantage here (and that's because my scales for him have changed drastically), and the primary reason for that is the fact that he is basically L, but with better stats, and even emotional and social intelligence.

Let's recall the initial episodes, there, L was able to trick Light. The Lind L. Tailor scam to Light literally just revealed the fact that he was in Tokyo. Now, Ayanokouji, in the Cruise Ship exam was able to trick Ichinose, lying a two-layered trap with counter measures, which just proves the fact that Ayanokouji should easily be able to replicate the feat, as his tactical deception already surpasses L at least in this one. And we know how penetrable Light is to multi-layered traps, like Near also did a two-layered notebook trap and actually caught Light. Ayanokouji, unlike Light, has more counter measures advancements which helps him way more to deal with people like Light. More examples of multi-layered traps would be the trap to Takuya, where he basically trapped Takuya in his own emotions and caused him to break more rules, and he also set the other students to actually interrogate him, and he would have been cornered either way.

While Ayanokouji might not be able to match the likes of L's intuition, he's basically way different than L. In the 2nd Year arc, he basically did great profiling on Takuya (the second Yagami lol), without even meeting him for once. Bro had an idea of how Takuya would react to a situation with basically details from scratch, how he behaved in the different situations, and Ayanokouji even deduced that Takuya was the one behind the violent rule breaks of the school and used all of that by making the love letter anagram on top of everything, got Takuya cornered, and got him expelled pretty much.

Ayanokouji's strategies already surpass L, L's strategy of self-revelation was "high risk, high return" strategy, based on the principle of "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer", which again wouldn't match with Ayanokouji's style of warfare, who takes leads and tries things from behind the shadows. While yes, L did that to genuinely get police trust on the other hand as well, Ayanokouji wouldn't need such things since not only will police have different feelings about him from the start in here, but Ayanokouji also has his father's influence, who is a tyrant in the political world.

Another thing which Ayanokouji has is higher deception (better misdirection, fabrication, concealing, acting skills, information control, bluffing, controlling with fallacies) shown throughout the 1st Year arc in the strategy from Volume 4 to Volume 7 (basically known as the "X strategy"), he is also a better manipulator than L (I don't think this needs to be debated).

Now when Ayanokouji's advantages to L are proved, let's go towards Light. So, Light will of course try to kill Ayanokouji. Now, depending on scenarios, Ayanokouji will lay his profiling traps. Coming to how this would reveal his location, so Ayanokouji will play strategies like L and trap Light (feats: Housen trapping, Kei development), considering how his traps settings are better, I think he will easily overpower Light in this one. Ayanokouji not only lays traps, but also ends up emotionally manipulating and destroying his opponents, kind of what he did to Takuya, and let's not forget that Takuya was trained for a year specially to become a weapon against Ayanokouji, and he was trained to have a good point for every bad point of Ayanokouji, and Ayanokouji still turned his weakness to strength and showed Takuya the way out.

So, yes, I think Ayanokouji will have a huge hand on this one for snatching the victory, he will never reveal himself, and his profiling and psychological analysis would help him to investigate on Light.

 

[RoggerReggor]

And what Light are we using here? Before Lind L Tailor (AKA student Light) or Current Light (AKA adult Light)

"Fully consumed by imaginary godhood" Light

Like yes, that's what Mikami referred to Light in the novel lol.

 

[RoggerReggor]

You know how unfair this is if you give Light Shinigami eyes?

Just a note, Light wouldn't get himself Shinigami eyes. Bro was cornered and still didn't get them, like yeah, he actually wanted to live way more.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Koji fra

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Also it was in kanto not tokyo, Unless your going by the op XD

 

[SavorySlasher]

yeah ayankoji is cooked beyond comprehension atp. the minute you gave shikigami eyes the battle was over. the only advantage that ayankoji has is being good at not being known/seen. If ayankoji is seen once and Light has the slightest suscpicion his name is in the notebook. Ryuk would probably point ayankoji out too if Light doesn't realize.

 

[RoggerReggor]

yeah ayankoji is cooked beyond comprehension atp. the minute you gave shikigami eyes the battle was over. the only advantage that ayankoji has is being good at not being known/seen. If ayankoji is seen once and Light has the slightest suscpicion his name is in the notebook. Ryuk would probably point ayankoji out too if Light doesn't realize.

Well, Light didn't take Shinigami eyes. In the novel, he admitted that he wanted to live a long life with his family after he ended everything. So, there's literally no chance Light will take Shinigami eyes even when he realizes he can just win through that in one go, that would be contradicting the character. And Ryuk wouldn't point out Ayanokouji, he just cared for entertainment, and he never put L into much trouble by himself. Both of the things are so unlikely to happen that the chances are close to zero.

The thread just mentions that Light can use the eyes if he wishes, but Light's thoughts literally just contradict the fact that he would ever take the eyes.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

You know how unfair this is if you give Light Shinigami eyes?

"Press X to doubt"
Light wouldn't want to result to using the shinigami eyes

And what Light are we using here? Before Lind L Tailor (AKA student Light) or Current Light (AKA adult Light)

L light with him being kira, no police support

Btw, What's their initial position? Is Light in his house? Is Koji in the WR or in the same place L was?

Houses, koji is with the enforcement

 

[Jozaysmith?]

yeah, starting to feel kiyo can trap both law enforcement and kira to each other

 

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[ODMvZfr]

Hmm, I'll vote for Ayanokouji. I think Rogger reasoning is valid for me.

 

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Koji winning

 

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[RoggerReggor]

So, about this. Avent, one of the character intelligence analysts uploaded a video about it on YouTube, going as far as assuming the entire battle upon their shown natures and wits.



In this video, he shows how Ayanokouji can catch Kira. However, I believe that most of my points still stand in the video (if not, all of them), them being Ayanokouji not revealing himself, using Light's ego to catch him, and not playing a risky game like L. This isn't promotion, but I simply feel like this would be the same way the fight would go, considering how Ayanokouji has used the same methods many times.