White Room's Masterpiece vs Wammy's House's Masterpiece (7-1-0) *GRACE*

[XxZetsuxX]

Will anyone add this?

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

This is wrong if you are saying that L's intuition is absolute. Even though he was accurate with predicting that Light is Kira, and he is said to have the "god's intuition" (not metaphorically, but rather hyperbolically), it is still limited to only 90% confirmation. And again, L didn't know just then that Light was Kira, he still needed to attack Light and then have his intuition make his intuitive inferences.

Another thing which is funny is that L cannot run around and do his stuff, it is canonical that if L doesn't sit his usual way, his reasoning abilities would drop by 40%, meaning that just when L tries to boost his reasoning, he would be perceived as weird and also his appearance is like that, meaning that a huge majority of NPCs would think of L being suspicious. Also, if this is not enough, he severely sucks at social skills, meaning that he will fail to explain a lot of stuff to others.

And while yes, L can go and burn someone just so, it will be too bad for him as well. Imagine you are in the middle of something, and you see a guy beating up someone just because they have an intuition which can have them be suspicious. L would be well-aware of that and wouldn't just believe his intuition. His intuition has good chances of being wrong and he is aware of that.

His best intuition feats are being 90% sure about Light being Kira from like Episode 5 and being able to "hear bells" about scenes before his unfortunate death.

To add to this:

His island exam reasoning of deducing Ryuuen's plan and his deal with Katsuragi both came from Ayanokouji noticing dirt in Ibuki's fingernails when they met. This was also directly confirmed in Y1V7 when he explained as much to Ibuki. (Y1V3)

He deduced Housen's plan to stab himself and Ichika's involvement in crafting the plan immediately after seeing Housen's knife. (Y2V1)

He was able to induce a pattern on the second island exam which allowed him to determine what tasks would appear and where from just observing what tasks appeared throughout the first day. He then used that to predict that exact time and location a specific task to give water would appear. (Y2V3)

Reasoning why Ayanokouji would certainly solve this first:

The most important factor in determining a winner in this game is likely Ayanokouji and L's ability to gather information, as they both certainly have the Logical Reasoning ability to solve the case. I will certainly argue that Ayanokouji actually has superior LR to L but given the timeframe and the nature of the scenario the ability to gain information is more important. Noting that, Ayanokouji FAR exceeds L in that capacity which would lead to him winning here. His general observation skills are much better than L's. Him profiling Nagumo while watching him play Old Maid, him noticing dirt in Ibuki's nail and making deductions based on that are both examples of his observational skills which exceed L. Ayanokouji is also able to discern emotions just from a person's eyes, he does this multiple times throughout the series. In terms of Emotional Intelligence and Manipulation Ayanokouji is far above L's skills so his ability to read the other players, gain information from them gives him a massive advantage.

In terms of social intelligence Ayanokouji (who is criminally underrated here due to the anime) also gaps L. He has shown a flawless ability to integrate into social situations if he chooses to, he can fabricate a personality to further integrate, and his understanding of human psychology makes his social engineering much better as well.

L relies on Data Analysis and often trap setting to make his deductions. He considers his case and slowly works to narrow the possibilities until only 1 remains. This is seen with how he first narrowed down his suspects for Kira by proving he kills without needing to be present, and proving he is located in Kanto. Then narrowed down to someone with a strong sense of justice, a student, someone with a connection to the police etc. eventually leading to Light being the prime suspect. In doing this he had access to massive amounts of data curtesy of the police investigations and collated data regarding heart attack deaths. His primary style of deduction is incompatible with this environment since he has no pawns to gather information for him and is MUCH worse than Koji in manipulation. He doesn't have access to data at the start and his observational and EP skills are also far below Koji.

For these reasons it seems clear that Ayanokouji would win here since he can much more effectively gather information, profile the suspects, and has the better LR to solve the case the fastest.


This honestly is L's only possible wincon as far as I can tell and in practicality has almost 0 chance of succeeding. First you would be assuming that L just intuits that Inoue was the witch, and that is a stretch. I know he is called God's Intuition, but intuition isn't just instantly knowing who did it. Even if you assume L comes to that conclusion purely based on Intuition the chances of him being able to burn the body without Ayanokouji stopping him are tiny. If Koji sees L about to burn a body, he would stop him because he knows if he doesn't solve this case first he dies. If someone else is about to burn a body that means there is a chance that person would win, and therefore Koji would lose. To prevent that possibility he would stop L from doing so, and likely just burn the body himself. In fact it's possible Koji does this at the start just to prevent that possibility from happening. He would also make sure he personally burns anybody else who is killed himself for that same reason. With his massive physical stats advantage there is no way L can stop him from doing so.

In conclusion, Koji wins and I don't see a wincon for L here at all given he doesn't have any actual advantages over Koji in this scenario.

I vote for Ayanokouji winning the battle based on the quoted reasons.

Additionally, even though L's detective skills are stated to be equivalent to at least five ordinary investigative bureaus and seven intelligence agencies, this is still short of some statements I've seen about Ayanokouji. Doesn't Ayanokouji have "immeasurable" knowledge or something like that? Even if that's hyperbolical, he's also viewed as "god-like" and impossible to match by geniuses, so it's fitting.

Will anyone add this?

The match was added to L's profile and Ayanokouji's profile.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

The match was added to L's profile and Ayanokouji's profile.

I added them since nobody was gonna do it ;-;

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

I added them since nobody was gonna do it ;-;

Oops, I didn't realize you were the same person who added them. Thanks.

 

[DeltaStriker22]

I vote for Ayanokouji winning the battle based on the quoted reasons.

Counted.
I don't think votes can be added to the OP after grace tho.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Counted.
I don't think votes can be added to the OP after grace tho.

The grace period being over means the match has been accepted as is, so you shouldn't change the votes. It's fine to not include my vote though. I only replied because Death Note is one of my favorite fictions.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Additionally, even though L's detective skills are stated to be equivalent to at least five ordinary investigative bureaus and seven intelligence agencies, this is still short of some statements I've seen about Ayanokouji. Doesn't Ayanokouji have "immeasurable" knowledge or something like that? Even if that's hyperbolical, he's also viewed as "god-like" and impossible to match by geniuses, so it's fitting.

To be honest, L is more than that if we talk about achievements. By that statement, the author is trying to say that L is cognitively comparable to that much, but yes, Kiyotaka demolishes if it is statements.

And this statement was in 2002, which is before he ever fought Kira, and was only solving some cases of catching serial killers and large worldwide crimes.

Not only this, but L also stepped in a war which he believed could potentially lead to World War 3, all by himself, proving governments wrong, and all of this, at the age of 8.