Already has been proven and accepted on the profiles, no reason why each dream world would vary in size. The last thread attempting to use this logic why denied by staff members, plus Subcon is referred to both as a dream and universe. Meaning I absolutely can say dream worlds equal universes. Because if I wanted to, I could use the other entries for proof. And there are many.
Can you explain why instead of just saying that "People agree with it so it is"? Please?
I want to know the evidence.
Because from my perspective of these last two threads, "Mario Supporters" agree is not a good measure of anything, I'm sorry.
And again, who cares, we are not backwards scaling cosmology back to Mario 2, this was already established in this thread, I'm sorry you still want to do this. I'm not.
Reads this comment What? Huh? Do you just wanna downgrade every verse? Why would it NOT refer to an actual universe? That's massive headcanon, like holy shit. It's called a universe, it's referred to a world many times, the place is filled with stars, it has time within it, and it has a parallel universe. Saying it wouldn't mean an actual universe would be literal bullshit.
The word "World" doesn't mean universe Weeb we've been over this. All you're saying is that it's a word. It having stars just means it may be a pocket dimension, and it having time is true of like every dimension in fiction save for those that don't and it's not indicative of size. Time isn't spatial.
The Subcon has no direct evidence that it is a universe in it of itself. I'm sorry. All it has is a Nintendo Power quote that says "Mario must save the universe". That's it. Nobody has addressed this yet.
, so you agree his curse expands around Subcon, good to know.
I don't.
The source of evil wouldn't refer to the monsters
It literally is. It's the only tangible effect of the curse that is established in the game.
Wart being the source of bad dreams doesn't refer to Subcon by the way. It refers to separate dreams referred to as "evil dreams".
So what. Subcon has dreams. Evil dreams happening now because of Wart's meddling has nothing to do with him creating universes like you insist he does.
Would you just imply that his curse hasn't done anything at all? Why would his curse also be invovled with already existing bad dreams? That doesn't make sense.
I don't think the curse is involved with existing bad dreams, I said the opposite. I think the curse, evidently by the evidence being posted (which you yourself have shared and which I will address now soon) does not show that Wart "making good dreams bad" has to do with any cosmic reality warping or dream manipulation. It's a very physical process that has to do with his forces terrorizing the dreams.
And then you dump in a bunch of screenshots. Let's go over each and everyone of them, shall we?
- One. Gray Snifits are stated to shoot "Nightmare Bullets". Again this shows how literally physical Wart's curse is. He has literal minions shooting people as the cause of dreams becoming nightmares. Mario defeats these guys and it stops. Pidgits are also said to be the "bearers of bad dreams", ignoring that this is just super vague it also doesn't mean much at all. They just soar through the sky on magic carpets and attack people, again.
- Two. This just says that he is a part of a "Club from evil dreams". This just confirm that evil dreams exist and that this enemy comes from them. It has NOTHING tying it to Wart's AP. Whatsoever.
- Three. Another Snifit. he is describing as "spiting the bullets of evil dreams from his mouth". Again, do you see how physical and literal Wart's curse is? The dudes are literally running amok shooting people. It isn't a cosmic / spatial corruption of the dreamscape. How can you not see this.
- Four. Mouser stuff. Mouser is stated to be a "bomber of bad dreams that destroys good dreams". He literally shows up and throws bombs and this ruins the good dreams, not because his bombs are destroying entire dimensions, they evidently don't have that range, they are normal bombs, but because by throwing bombs around like a freaking terrorist he is (pardon the pun) terrorizing Subcon and putting an end to good dreams. I hope this is well explained.
- Five. This is just the same statement reworded. Mouser throws bombs that "destroy sweet dreams". I understand that you want to argue Mouser is a universe buster but this ain't it. He isn't destroying any dream worlds. We never see him do anything remotely similar, your interpretation of what he does is incongruent with the game.
It would be unlikely those are dreams he also just suddenly took over, instead they would be dreams related to him. It's also implied more than one dream is currently being involved.
The Cobrat image merely says that it appears on Toad's dreams, yes. As established in Super Mario Bros 2, all dreams take place in Subcon as all the four characters literally end up there in their sleep. Certainly multiple dreams exist in Subcon but the evidence presented in the actual game isn't that Subcon is a multiverse or a collection of dimensions, just a broad "Dream World" where all dreams happen.
It's also stated he created plant life all over dreams, which they are seen appearing even from above the clouds.
... Did you read the scan?
Panser is stated to be the ONLY plant life Wart created. You're acting as if it's something that stretches an entire universe?
He's also been stated to likely have some type of control over Sub-Space.
Does he? The scan in question
only states that the Albatosses are under Wart's control, which is at best a Mind Control feat. It doesn't say that he controls the entire world of Sub-Space.
That would also be ignoring the several evil and bad dreams existing, which Wart being the source of those adds up.
Bad Dreams exist yes, but Wart isn't the source of all evil dreams in existence. He's the source of the new evil dreams that emerged from his terrorizing of Subcon.
