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Warriors of Heaven and Hell: The Most Skilled on the Wiki!

I mean, this is mostly for fun, we all know what truly matters is hax otherwise in this uncompetitive metagame.
 
 
 
You can submit someone to the thread without providing a skill list (like local dumbass @LIFE_OF_KING) but it's not really recommended for the sake of evaluation-
 
Bobsican said:
Oh no, Sora doesn't grab him per-say, but rather just throws him up then just attacks while still pushing upwards per hit, and so Kratos would have difficulty even aiming as there's not much stuff to grab on for the sake of controllable momentum, I guess one could argue Kratos could just grab Sora, but IDK if he has the feats for this kind of situation.

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Grappling is what Kratos is famous for lol, that's the shit he literally grew up on as a Spartan cadet. Even in gameplay every airborne enemy can be grappled and smashed. So I don't know where the doubt is coming from.

He can jump mid air, dash and fly, he can Tele-substitute etc. He has all the mobility in air as any standard airborne character.
 
azontr said:
Should probably call mfs like @Planck69 and @KLOL506 here, they know the most about Kratos in my experience and his skill.
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Well, there's a lot of other skill feats we've yet to catalogue for Kratos but the basics are this:

Man was a brutal Spartan general who at a young age was demolishing Spartan soldiers twice his age and size, and he became the youngest Spartan captain and general, his martial prowess was such that he was also able to take on the Champions of other Gods.

In case that wasn't enough, after he got the Blades of Chaos and rampaged through Greece and then ended up killing his wife and child, everyone involved with the Gods started to salivate at Kratos' fighting skill.

It reached a boiling point once Kratos got the powers of Pandora's Box (Notably, Hope, or rather, a sliver of it) and then murked Ares, a God of War who literally had knowledge and cosmic awareness of all forms of war and conflict over all periods of time, past, present and future, with nothing but his own skill and prowess, when his own weapons wouldn't work, Kratos used Ares' Spider-Arms against him, and then when banished to a dimension by Ares (Because Kratos was pushing him over the edge) left to protect apparitions of his wife and daughter, he had to protect them from clones of his that were younger, much stronger, faster, smarter, more battle-capable and far more blood-hungry than he was, Kratos was at a severe disadvantage, and yet he smashed said clones into pieces like glass, forcing Ares to strip him of his magical powers and weapons leaving him with only Hope locked inside Kratos, but even so, once Kratos got his hands onto the Blade of the Gods, all of Ares' power steal and mimicry and cosmic awareness of all war fell to shit, and Ares died, paving the way for Kratos to become the new God of War, making him get the same exact powers as Ares himself.

Soon after, Kratos is deprived of his Godhood and killed by Zeus, but that doesn't stop him from coming back and charging at the Sisters of Fate to change his destiny. Even the Sisters of Fate and Athena themselves admit that Kratos' battle skills are second to none, and the Sisters also admit that if Kratos ever got the Spear of Destiny, he'd have made good on his threat to kill Zeus right then and there.

Then there's the video that Gilver showed.
 
KLOL506 said:
Well, there's a lot of other skill feats we've yet to catalogue for Kratos but the basics are this:

Man was a brutal Spartan general who at a young age was demolishing Spartan soldiers twice his age and size, and he became the youngest Spartan captain and general, his martial prowess was such that he was also able to take on the Champions of other Gods.

In case that wasn't enough, after he got the Blades of Chaos and rampaged through Greece and then ended up killing his wife and child, everyone involved with the Gods started to salivate at Kratos' fighting skill.

It reached a boiling point once Kratos got the powers of Pandora's Box (Notably, Hope, or rather, a sliver of it) and then murked Ares, a God of War who literally had knowledge and cosmic awareness of all forms of war and conflict over all periods of time, past, present and future, with nothing but his own skill and prowess, when his own weapons wouldn't work, Kratos used Ares' Spider-Arms against him, and then when banished to a dimension by Ares (Because Kratos was pushing him over the edge) left to protect apparitions of his wife and daughter, he had to protect them from clones of his that were younger, much stronger, faster, smarter, more battle-capable and far more blood-hungry than he was, Kratos was at a severe disadvantage, and yet he smashed said clones into pieces like glass, forcing Ares to strip him of his magical powers and weapons leaving him with only Hope locked inside Kratos, but even so, once Kratos got his hands onto the Blade of the Gods, all of Ares' power steal and mimicry and cosmic awareness of all war fell to shit, and Ares died, paving the way for Kratos to become the new God of War, making him get the same exact powers as Ares himself.

Soon after, Kratos is deprived of his Godhood and killed by Zeus, but that doesn't stop him from coming back and charging at the Sisters of Fate to change his destiny. Even the Sisters of Fate and Athena themselves admit that Kratos' battle skills are second to none, and the Sisters also admit that if Kratos ever got the Spear of Destiny, he'd have made good on his threat to kill Zeus right then and there.

Then there's the video that Gilver showed.
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I feel like this could all be explained a lot better, but, cool.
 
Plus kratos isn't a big striker when it comes to h2h combat, he almost always prioritizes techniques like wrestling/grappling which probably isn't discussed much because it's not flashy, although it leaves next to no room for counter especially if there is a strength differential. If kratos is going to strike someone he'll use his weapons.





 
Kratos … beat clones of his who were all him but better in every way??? Stg this sounds like when Earl told us about Ikki skill stomping his clones who were equal in skill but dozens of times stronger and faster than him or smth. Shit does not make sense.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Kratos … beat clones of his who were all him but better in every way??? Stg this sounds like when Earl told us about Ikki skill stomping his clones who were equal in skill but dozens of times stronger and faster than him or smth. Shit does not make sense.
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See for yourself. It's got something to do with power of wisdom and family and honor.
 
Ah okay. From KLOL’s post, it seemed like they were more skilled than Kratos in addition to having better stats but he dog walks when it comes to fighting.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Ah okay. From KLOL’s post, it seemed like they were more skilled than Kratos in addition to having better stats but he dog walks when it comes to fighting.
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You could say because the clones were younger, they were more limber then the older one. So in direct combat they had an advantage. But old Kratos could just go power of wisdom and anticipate everything.
 
Bobsican said:
Oh? Can you remind please?
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Recall the argument made- I don't remember who used it, whether it was you, me, or someone else, or even if that was here, but- Where it was argued that Data Sora defeating Data Riku, who represented Jimminy's Journal and should have held complete knowledge on most, if not all, of Sora's Skill's, should count as a feat, and people called that absurd? Maybe it's not a one to one comparison, but I feel similarly here- Kratos defeats himself but with better gear? If the JJ argument doesn't work, don't think this one should either imo.
 
TheKingStrategist13 said:
Recall the argument made- I don't remember who used it, whether it was you, me, or someone else, or even if that was here, but- Where it was argued that Data Sora defeating Data Riku, who represented Jimminy's Journal and should have held complete knowledge on most, if not all, of Sora's Skill's, should count as a feat, and people called that absurd? Maybe it's not a one to one comparison, but I feel similarly here- Kratos defeats himself but with better gear? If the JJ argument doesn't work, don't think this one should either imo.
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Uh... no? All those Clones have the same exact gear and magic as Kratos does, only difference is that the clones themselves are younger, much stronger and faster, much more acrobatic, much more battle-capable and far, far more bloodlusted. Old Kratos still stomps them regardless due to his wisdom, family and honor fueling him in this fight, and he smashes them like glass.
 
Aetheric Pariah said:
Re-read what was said. Kratos was at a complete stat disadvantage against his clones that has all his weapons and abilities but beat them all.
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This message led me to believe that his clones were given all of his weapons. If that is not the case, then my apologies-
Even still though, I find this argument rather dubious. I don't see how the power of protecting his family or honor really matter's beyond being a amp which could be similar to just being bloodlusted anyways (Unless GOW is one of those verses where X powerful emotion directly translates into concrete power), but... Is it certain that this Kratos in question IS more skilled than the clones, and that these clone's don't have his level of skill? Cause if they do then this would be a blatantly nonsensical feat. Even if this feat is valid, skill stomping yourself from the slightly distant past really isn't the most groundbreaking feat on it's own- And Kratos surely has plenty of more notable feats worth bringing up than this.
 
TheKingStrategist13 said:
This message led me to believe that his clones were given all of his weapons. If that is not the case, then my apologies-
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Kratos still has his gear on him, but his Clones also have that same exact Gear.

TheKingStrategist13 said:
Even still though, I find this argument rather dubious. I don't see how the power of protecting his family or honor really matter's beyond being a amp which could be similar to just being bloodlusted anyways (Unless GOW is one of those verses where X powerful emotion directly translates into concrete power), but... Is it certain that this Kratos in question IS more skilled than the clones, and that these clone's don't have his level of skill?
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No, he isn't more skilled than his clones here. Nor is he bloodlusted here and nor does he get an amp from keeping his family alive. It's just him being much wiser and more focused with regards to what happened last time.

TheKingStrategist13 said:
Cause if they do then this would be a blatantly nonsensical feat.
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And that matters why exactly? Feat's still a feat.

TheKingStrategist13 said:
Even if this feat is valid, skill stomping yourself from the slightly distant past really isn't the most groundbreaking feat on it's own- And Kratos surely has plenty of more notable feats worth bringing up than this.
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Re-read the line again, them being from the past has nothing to do with why they're superior to Old Kratos. The Clones are explicitly stated to have been made younger, stronger, more battle-ready and considerably more blood-hungry than the real Kratos.
 
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