Warriors of Heaven and Hell: The Most Skilled on the Wiki!

[TheKingStrategist13]

Btw I have yet to see Shirou be put in third place on the list- Cough, cough

 

[azontr]

Btw I have yet to see Shirou be put in third place on the list- Cough, cough

Why would he be, that's not where he was submitted-

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

Nominating Shirou Emiya/EMIYA for Misc. Not gunning for Sora's spot at all, probably not Bullseye's either (Unless people legitimately think the case could be made and won), just wanted to revive the thread a bit.

I really don't know why people think Shirou was ever meant to be put up against Sora, because even though we for some reason went on to have that debate, my original submission specifically referred to not putting him above the aforementioned two character's that were in misc at first

 

[azontr]

I really don't know why people think Shirou was ever meant to be put up against Sora, because even though we for some reason went on to have that debate, my original submission specifically referred to not putting him above the aforementioned two character's that were in misc at first

Real.

I'll add Shirou to 3rd spot later, then.

 

[Kirinator07]

It is decently important for the purposes of a thread where hax are, for the most part with a few exceptions, irrelevant. Even if this SCP has the advantage of Strategical Skill, for example, just having that alone isn't enough- Of course, I'm not saying that's all they have, but if they lack combative skill then that is a huge problem for arguing for them.

Again- This isn't me saying either way if the SCP is or isn't more skilled than Sora, just me pointing out that for the purposes of this thread, it likely does matter.

682 wouldn't already have the techniques before meeting Able, only when fighting Able and it becoming more skilled by copying, mimicking, and adapting his combat versatility would the feat be less questionable.

 

[Bobsican]

...682's anatomy is considerably different from a regular human/humanoid for skill copying to be particularly effective for these purposes, as much I had to point out when Sora fought Arceus that knowning all martial arts is irrelevant when they weren't meant for a llama.

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

Definitely a fair point- If you try to teach a Horse how to punch, it simply won't really work out too well, even if the horse if capable of fully comprehending the concept and actions needed, for example.

 

[DaReaperMan]

It's more of a "Can fight Characters X skilled effectively" thing.

But it's more of a case of 682 literally just facetanking attacks and dealing his own, it was a slugging match if I recall

 

[Bobsican]

Sora totally has the AoE to just swiftly slice 682 to pieces, but we all know he'll just lol regen and adapt.
But yeah, 682 is more of a case of just withstanding everything and eventually gaining some positioning to do something to the opponent.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I mean if we're counting Adaptation 682 can just follow his usual tactics of facetank shit until he can use either brute force or a hax given to him to end the fight lol, he's tactical and knows his abilities work like that

 

[Bobsican]

For the purposes of skill I'd rather not use 682 to begin with IMO, but let's see what @Kirinator07 has to say.

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

In a match of pure skill, wouldn't it be more fair to equalize stats? So just tanking attacks won't be a really effective plan in that case

 

[Bobsican]

Equalizing stats is of little relevancy when 682 can drastically raise its stats, it can even grow to cosmical sizes with if its powers are sufficiently triggered.
As said before, usually hax abilities and regen/immortalities are restricted as well for the sake of focusing on skill debate, which handicaps 682 way more than Sora here as 682's whole strategy is surviving everything then just eventually overpowering the opponent.

 

[DaReaperMan]

In a match of pure skill, wouldn't it be more fair to equalize stats? So just tanking attacks won't be a really effective plan in that case

Bro, 682 is the literal top of the 9-A smurf list off the back of his regen, immortality, and Adaptation. I don't think equalizing stats is gonna do much except make 682 just not get stronger in stats.

Equalizing stats is of little relevancy when 682 can drastically raise it's stats, it can even grow to cosmical sizes with if its powers are sufficiently triggered.

It's stats raised when it's hit hard enough,

For instance, if Sora hit him with a High 6-C attack, 682 would enter it's 5-A level, and so on and so forth all the way up to 1-A+, while equalizing stats makes Sora not make 682 gain a stat advantage, it doesn't do much else.

 

[Bobsican]

The fact we're arguing more over smurfness than skill really shows 682 is quite inappropiate to use as a measure stick for these purposes.

 

[DaReaperMan]

The fact we're arguing more over smurfness than skill really shows 682 is quite inappropiate to use as a measure stick for these purposes.

Basically this, 682 is tactical and intelligent, but when all of his fighting revolves around his abilities- which are smurf, there's an issue

 

[azontr]

I'm not putting 682 on the list so idk why yall even arguing about him lmao.

 

[Bobsican]

Basically there was an entire argument to claim that Able (aka, 076) is skilled by being able to fight 682 for a good while, and so @Kirinator07 wanted Sora to fight 682 in a vs thread to see how long he'd last or similar.

 

[azontr]

Basically there was an entire argument to claim that Able (aka, 076) is skilled by being able to fight 682 for a good while.

How's that a skill feat.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I mean, like I said, it was a slugging match.

And 682 being 682 he came out on top, though it wasn't easy.

 

[Shmooply]

How's that a skill feat.

It's not, it's just goober talk.

 

[azontr]

Real.

 

[azontr]

Anyways, give me a bit to get to my computer, and I'll add Shirou to the list.

Anyone else who I missed that needs to be added to the list?

 

[Bobsican]

You have yet to add Kenshiro to multi-faceted Martial Arts, namely above Karate Kid as Armorchompy didn't defend the placement or anything.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Kratos
He's capable to fight with his own clones with his own powers but stronger, faster, more skilled and more bloodlusted, and he shattered them like nothing.

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

Oh boy, here comes the big bad Spartan man

I'm guessing you're gunning for Misc?

 

[azontr]

You have yet to add Kenshiro to multi-faceted Martial Arts, namely above Karate Kid as Armorchompy didn't defend the placement or anything.

K. Will do so. Would do it on mobile but for some reason the wiki constantly crashes on my phone.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Kratos
He's capable to fight with his own clones with his own powers but stronger, faster, more skilled and more bloodlusted, and he shattered them like nothing.

So... Basically Kratos just stat-stomped them

This is an awful submission and I know for a ******* fact Kratos has more then this, bring it all out

 

[Bobsican]

Wasn't Kratos banned from the list by mostly relying on logic-defying feats like Dante?

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

Yeah, no, Kratos absolutely has better Skill Feats and I'm not even a Hardcore fan

Especially seeing how he can wield Unorthodox weapons (Even just looking at the most recent game- His Axe granted isn't that crazy, but the Spear is a bit weird and the Chain's are exceptionally unique)

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

Wasn't Kratos banned from the list by mostly relying on logic-defying feats like Dante?

If he was, that must happened much earlier in the thread, as I don't recall in my time of participating here

 

[Bobsican]

I've seen my brother play the main trilogy, I'm sure a decent argument could be made for Kratos either way.

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

I'll just outright say it, I likely wouldn't try to defend Shirou from Kratos with how skilled Kratos has shown himself. Though, no offense to Kratos, but I'm not sure if he could gun for Sora effectively

 

[azontr]

Wasn't Kratos banned from the list by mostly relying on logic-defying feats like Dante?

I never banned Dante from the list. I removed him because the skill feats I was given aren't real skill feats. If he's re-submitted with better feats I'll be more than glad to add him back.

 

[Bobsican]

I never banned Dante from the list. I removed him because the skill feats I was given aren't real skill feats. If he's re-submitted with better feats I'll be more than glad to add him back.

Oh, noted.

I'll just outright say it, I likely wouldn't try to defend Shirou from Kratos with how skilled Kratos has shown himself. Though, no offense to Kratos, but I'm not sure if he could gun for Sora effectively

Kratos has next to no aerial alternatives, but I'm sure he has dealt with airbone opponents and can compensate on that with ranged options, it does still mean that there's not much he can do if Sora manages to pull him upwards and combos from there...

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh, noted.


Kratos has next to no aerial alternatives, but I'm sure he has dealt with airbone opponents and can compensate on that with ranged options, it does still mean that there's not much he can do if Sora pulls him upwards and combos from there...

If Sora pulls him upwards Kratos is skewering him lol

 

[Bobsican]

Oh no, Sora doesn't grab him per-say, but rather just throws him up then just attacks while still pushing upwards per hit, and so Kratos would have difficulty even aiming as there's not much stuff to grab on for the sake of controllable momentum, I guess one could argue Kratos could just grab Sora, but IDK if he has the feats for this kind of situation.

 

[azontr]

Should probably call mfs like @Planck69 and @KLOL506 here, they know the most about Kratos in my experience and his skill.

 

[Kirinator07]

It's not, it's just goober talk.

Do you know what is goober talk, the claim of every martial art with primordial experience being thrown around verses threads resulting in wins for him when none of the claims were really proven.

 

[azontr]

Do you know what is goober talk, the claim of every martial art with primordial experience being thrown around verses threads resulting in wins for him when none of the claims were really proven.

Tf are you talking about