Warriors of Heaven and Hell: The Most Skilled on the Wiki!

[Kirinator07]

I am on your side a bit as most matchups involving Able tend to just throw in the skill stomp explanation, that said I have a thread where to discuss these sorts of claim to the SCP supporters in terms of finding out where these scans come from. I don't know if you read his intelligence page as it wasn't mentioned by you. Not all of it came from this respect thread.

...How large was the shockwave anyways? And was the area restrained or anything? This is just kinda using big words to what boils down to "he jumped above the attack", which is barely a skill feat of note TBH.

Most of these kinds of feats are meant for his acrobatics which there are many

I'm sure it's brought up in the article for 076 that his biology is quite different from a human's, so the need to sweat is left up on the air, but either way, this is just stamina, not skill, do we even know if the MTFs were particularly skilled on this to begin with?

Mobile Task Force (MTF) Omega-7, nicknamed Pandora's Box was tasked with securing and containing supernatural, alien, and other mysterious phenomena. Average MTF are decently more versatile than military personnel and are able to contain dangerous supernatural anomalies by the daily.

Speed feat, not a skill feat per-say beyond the basic strategy of killing someone before they can do anything

Same as no 1

Okay, now that's more of a skill feat of note, but eh, Sora still has better on that department, such as dealing with something similar skill-wise but omnidirectionally in synchronization with someone else, thus also displaying multitasking by coordination and overall a better feat, as I presume the artillery targeting 076's was just by tens of soldiers at most.

Sora did have someone there to help him though, this feat is more of a general note as it isn't just soldiers that he has to deal with.

Also speed, we don't even know if he aimed all of that properly, unless that's covered a bit later on that scan.

Seeing that SCP-682 is of rather a notable size, he indeed would've been precise with them.

A decent-ish skill feat given how it's described, but Sora could also keep up with someone wielding 7 of those at once doing similar stuff.
https://imgur.com/a/z5iAFdD

The swords don't seem to be as massive as how Able's are described
https://imgur.com/a/z5iAFdD

This leans more into a bit of tactical skill to corner a target with that, but beyond that it's just speed, lol.
https://imgur.com/a/eUVxeTn

I wonder how far someone would assume it would be that way though.
https://imgur.com/a/eUVxeTn

Sounds more like speed feat than a skill feat per-say.
https://imgur.com/a/2J0Guar

Also same as no 1
https://imgur.com/a/2J0Guar

...Which I presume were fodder in relation to him anyways? I could similarly pull Sora fighting an army of 1000 opponents at once if we want to get there.
https://imgur.com/a/QJIvuL9

Yes, fodder to MTF who have trained and worked for many years or even decades together who are superior to powerful supernatural entities they contain every now and then who are indeed also superior to even elite military personal like like the Chaos Insurgency, that sounds about right. Also, did I mind telling you that he had a nerf sword while all 43 of them had extensive knowlege on him, yet couldn't land a single blow on him?
https://imgur.com/a/QJIvuL9

...Hands which were somewhat fixed by using chains, mind you, he was still crippled and all, but this is just unquantificable beyond being a stamina feat, and I presume the guards are also fodder in relation to him anyways.
https://imgur.com/a/hXfNQ3O

I guarantee you the odds would've changed either way as there's still a notable difference.
https://imgur.com/a/hXfNQ3O

...Most of which wasn't prepared for fighting or anything, also fodder, lol.
https://imgur.com/a/NUbAGdX

I would assume one of them would be Sora once other SCP wiki members are involved.
https://imgur.com/a/NUbAGdX

Okay, this is a decent series of notable skill feats, let's see... Sora can also do something similar while also being limited on movement by spatial hax.
https://imgur.com/a/O91wQbe

A normal-sized hallway sounds more intriguing than a decently-sized platform and all else.
https://imgur.com/a/O91wQbe

Sora could fight someone underwater while having to deal with hot pillars and spheres going after him.
https://imgur.com/a/XEfSqZM

Able has the luxury of doing that on a regular basis.

They do that to a ton of SCPs in general, the Foundation as a whole is willing to go to ridiculous extremes to preserve "normalcy", plus this just means at most he upscales considerably from "normal" trained people, which are still fodder in relation to him, so it's not that much of a feat.
https://imgur.com/a/9VPjRNU

They only do that when the situation becomes of dire consequence, and while yes they are devoted to their promises, they are never usually devoted to terminating their anomalies, which is why these situations can be hard on them when they only want to maintain normalcy and not terminate them.
https://imgur.com/a/9VPjRNU

Stamina feat, needs more stuff to be notable here skill-wise, such as what SCP-4028 has displayed skill-wise to begin with that'd be relevant here.
https://imgur.com/a/0c8rdex

Ah yes, the same Quixote who slayed the indestructible reptile and has his own respect thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/ldnccq/respect_don_quixote_scp4028_scp_foundation/
https://imgur.com/a/IR9xJjS
https://imgur.com/a/0c8rdex

...A suicide weapon, anyways, this goes into the "nonsense" level of skill stuff, as skill scaling loops are generally a no.
https://imgur.com/a/GC1konD

The instances are comparable in combat so they don't scale above each other, Able survived it either

A "systematic massacre", implying this was more long-term, plus you've yet to elaborate if those 150,000 people had anything of note and weren't just fodder either way.
https://imgur.com/a/JXSIERi

Those were mostly innocent Mongols instead of 2 people discussing on an online forum.
https://imgur.com/a/JXSIERi

Too vague to be particularly of note beyond strategical skill being implied.
https://imgur.com/a/8P0nxlW

Strategical skill is still enough to add on to his acrobatics, said army was made of Daevites governed by Able sent to destroy the Broken God
https://imgur.com/a/8P0nxlW

...Also quite vague, even then, lol stamina and fodder.
http://imgur.com/a/b8FS4QH

Yeah, Foundation Task Force combat experience is totally quite vague and I could see why you could jump to that conclusion
http://imgur.com/a/b8FS4QH

The size wasn't mentioned nor confirmed to be related to causing the on-site nuke to be detonated, but rather multiple dangerous SCPs getting out of containment, beyond that this is too vague to be particularly of note skill-wise.
http://imgur.com/a/8QbQEH5

According to another page it took 10 minutes
http://imgur.com/a/8QbQEH5

You and I know 682 is a smurf, and is put into "near-death" state multiple times until he lol adapts, that said...

Indeed, then go on, put Sora against the unmatchable rage that is the way it passively adapts to techniques as well.

Also notable to some degree, but maybe a bit vague to measure skill IMO.
https://imgur.com/a/DhJxBvB

https://imgur.com/a/DhJxBvB

Quite vague, but at this point it's clear that 076 can upscale skill wise from 682, although it'd be difficult to claim decent skill feats for 682 that don't just border into hax, so this goes more into just skill on managing to keep up with physically stronger opponents, respectively.
https://imgur.com/a/7sJngSO

This is in relation to the previous scan as it is two different perspectives taken at the same event

The Warrior And The Dragon - SCP Foundation

The SCP Foundation's 'top-secret' archives, declassified for your enjoyment.

scp-wiki.wikidot.com

Archived Incident 076-2_682 - SCP Foundation

The SCP Foundation's 'top-secret' archives, declassified for your enjoyment.

scp-wiki.wikidot.com

...Beasts and demons that I presume have no notable skill feats for the purposes of this list to begin with, and Sora is regarded as an unimaginable force of the future in a setting that then splits into over 10^24 universes.

And beating would require Able to have ridiculous skill seeing that he wasn't a god in the first place

Gotta just quote the skill blog (please read it BTW):

Already read allat

https://imgur.com/a/XCWyIghttps://imgur.com/a/XCWyIgz
Sounds more like a long-term war than a constant battle per-say, and the rest doesn't tell me much, being the leader of an army of unquantificable skill capabilities isn't the way to go here.
https://imgur.com/a/uRcU3Lw

They were clearly described as daevite generals and the status of them being daevites should grant them that power.
https://imgur.com/a/uRcU3Lw

...Killing gods doesn't tell me much either, as much as we don't give a tier to a character jut because they're deemed a deity in-verse.
https://imgur.com/a/IVyKMYs

All of these took place before the birth of time and most of creation was first made

...Armies that had no confirmed skill feats of note and were presumably fodder to begin with.
https://imgur.com/a/Gy36jZk

Able had to repeatedly resurrect back from the onslaught so they were skilled enough as they are
https://imgur.com/a/Gy36jZk

I mean, this destruction of empires was over time, and even so the proper details of the fight are left too vague to be of note here.

I mean Sora can only fight for so long and with the same movesets

Also unquantificable as not sufficient details are given for the purposes of measuring skill.

These daevites were none other than the brethren of SCP-682 as explained by Weekly so there goes the sweeping entanglement

TBH IDK what to say, most feats provided here are just sweeping fodder, several stamina or speed feats that don't particularly portray a relevant skill for the purposes of this thread per-say, and of course quite a ton of vagueness from "skill-scaling" to stuff that isn't too elaborated on to begin with.

Now listen, this isn't about you and me here, we are going to bring other members in light of this subject as SCP-076 is noted as rather the god of combat skill with almost left-out details, arguments made are only brought to the lore as that's how powerful Able is seen in the wiki. there are old threads describing the combat Able possesses with one article being claimed as the one where he's mastered every earthly martial art, foreign combat technique, and weapon, and all within the span of combat experience proceeding time. Again, do not take my word for it, as the character has already built a reputation of skill-stomping his opponents with other members agreeing with them.

So here's what's gonna happen, for goofs to light up this situation so it doesn't turn nasty later on, a matchup between Sora and 682 would be preferable with the former having prior knowledge, this to bring light to the discussion at hand

And finally, you can make the skill thread of Sora vs 076-2 and bring members from both sides as see what conclusion to reach, or you can go to my thread.

 

[Bobsican]

I am on your side a bit as most matchups involving Able tend to just throw in the skill stomp explanation, that said I have a thread where to discuss these sorts of claim to the SCP supporters in terms of finding out where these scans come from. I don't know if you read his intelligence page as it wasn't mentioned by you. Not all of it came from this respect thread.

I haven't checked the intelligence section as the page wasn't even linked in the skill ist, but I'll get to that later.

Most of these kinds of feats are meant for his acrobatics which there are many


Same as no 1


Also same as no 1

Okay, I suppose, but...

Eh, it's basically a single quick thrust then stuff that... could use more context? It's a bit difficult to get what's going on in the last bit of that scan.

See the above.

Mobile Task Force (MTF) Omega-7, nicknamed Pandora's Box was tasked with securing and containing supernatural, alien, and other mysterious phenomena. Average MTF are decently more versatile than military personnel and are able to contain dangerous supernatural anomalies by the daily.

Phenomena that can vary a lot (and don't make me start with chronology or "canon" not helping on that regard), and so this isn't too concrete beyond upscaling from regular military stuff.

Sora did have someone there to help him though, this feat is more of a general note as it isn't just soldiers that he has to deal with.

I mean, I brought that up as one could argue it takes more skill to multitask the act of synchronizing with someone else, he has also done it by himself anyways while also having to deal with being pushed to disfavorable positions, so...

Seeing that SCP-682 is of rather a notable size, he indeed would've been precise with them.

Sounds to me like there's more context to add here first to properly evaluate.

The swords don't seem to be as massive as how Able's are described

...They are just mentioned to be "massive", which is quite vague, but either way, there's also this on Sora's part if you want to get picky on that.
https://imgur.com/a/z5iAFdD

I wonder how far someone would assume it would be that way though.

TBH there's little room for other interpretations here, IMO anyways.
https://imgur.com/a/eUVxeTn

Yes, fodder to MTF who have trained and worked for many years or even decades together who are superior to powerful supernatural entities they contain every now and then who are indeed also superior to even elite military personal like like the Chaos Insurgency, that sounds about right. Also, did I mind telling you that he had a nerf sword while all 43 of them had extensive knowlege on him, yet couldn't land a single blow on him?

And they contain stuff using fancy gimmicky methods to suit the given thing at hand, rather than usually relying specifically on combat skill, and even then it'd still be vague without more direct feats on that area. As for the other part, well, merely having information isn't everything to win a battle, physical stats play a big factor among other things, and Able is clearly physically above the regular MTF member and whatever.
https://imgur.com/a/QJIvuL9

I guarantee you the odds would've changed either way as there's still a notable difference.

A unquantificable difference at most, I'm afraid, this whole deal reminds me of how i had to deal with nonsense arguments of Sion Zail being able to fight as a borderline corpse from sheer will as skill when that's just stamina + supernatural willpower, leaving at a side unquantificability as said before.
https://imgur.com/a/hXfNQ3O

I would assume one of them would be Sora once other SCP wiki members are involved.
https://imgur.com/a/NUbAGdX

Quite the contrary
https://imgur.com/a/NUbAGdX

A normal-sized hallway sounds more intriguing than a decently-sized platform and all else.
https://imgur.com/a/O91wQbe

IDK, a hallway has more net space, even if only on given directions, the capability to use walls for movement also comes to mind as a net advantage over being spatially incapable of moving past certain points.
https://imgur.com/a/O91wQbe

Able has the luxury of doing that on a regular basis.

TBH Sora also fights underwater decently often, not that it'd change much here anyways.

They only do that when the situation becomes of dire consequence, and while yes they are devoted to their promises, they are never usually devoted to terminating their anomalies, which is why these situations can be hard on them when they only want to maintain normalcy and not terminate them.
https://imgur.com/a/9VPjRNU

K, doesn't really change much for the purposes of skill measuring, however.
https://imgur.com/a/9VPjRNU

Ah yes, the same Quixote who slayed the indestructible reptile and has his own respect thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/ldnccq/respect_don_quixote_scp4028_scp_foundation/
https://imgur.com/a/IR9xJjS
https://imgur.com/a/0c8rdex

I mean, for one, anyone can make a respect thread, and secondly, having a respect thread made by fans doesn't mean he's inherently notable here or whatever, as much as technically I could cite a respect thread for Barney the Dinosaur, but anyways...

Looking at the context this is a watered down version of 682 as it's only limited to what's directly known by the Foundation (aka, its main article), so it's not that notable, either way, Able has fought 682 directly multiple times anyways.
https://imgur.com/a/0c8rdex

The instances are comparable in combat so they don't scale above each other, Able survived it either

...Probably by just being further away, explosions get weaker with distance and all of that, but that said, then this doesn't mean much as it's almost no different from a "a=a" equation, aka, redundant.

Those were mostly innocent Mongols instead of 2 people discussing on an online forum.
https://imgur.com/a/JXSIERi

lol.
https://imgur.com/a/JXSIERi

Strategical skill is still enough to add on to his acrobatics, said army was made of Daevites governed by Able sent to destroy the Broken God
https://imgur.com/a/8P0nxlW

Okay, I guess it's something.
https://imgur.com/a/8P0nxlW

Yeah, Foundation Task Force combat experience is totally quite vague and I could see why you could jump to that conclusion
http://imgur.com/a/b8FS4QH

On the other hand I'm sure the people involving them vary a lot depending on the narrative, so it'd be difficult to consistently measure anyways.
http://imgur.com/a/b8FS4QH

According to another page it took 10 minutes
http://imgur.com/a/8QbQEH5

How is the timeframe relevant here again?
http://imgur.com/a/8QbQEH5

Indeed, then go on, put Sora against the unmatchable rage that is the way it passively adapts to techniques as well.

More like "passively adapts to any kind of non-tier-0 force/hax", but no, it's a waste of time, especially as if this mattered you'd have subbed 682 for some spot on the list.

https://imgur.com/a/DhJxBvB

This is in relation to the previous scan as it is two different perspectives taken at the same event

The Warrior And The Dragon - SCP Foundation

The SCP Foundation's 'top-secret' archives, declassified for your enjoyment.

scp-wiki.wikidot.com

Archived Incident 076-2_682 - SCP Foundation

The SCP Foundation's 'top-secret' archives, declassified for your enjoyment.

scp-wiki.wikidot.com

And beating would require Able to have ridiculous skill seeing that he wasn't a god in the first place

Well, merely throwing around titles like "a god" is too vague to be quantificable for skill, you can't really go like "he killed a god with no context given on the process, so he's more skilled" without sounding questionable at best.

Already read allat

K

They were clearly described as daevite generals and the status of them being daevites should grant them that power.
https://imgur.com/a/uRcU3Lw

...What power? If you mean AP, then not only is this seemingly still unquantificable as far the stuff presented for this case here goes.
https://imgur.com/a/uRcU3Lw

All of these took place before the birth of time and most of creation was first made

And how does that relate to skill to begin with? Sure, age gives experience and whatever, but as the discussion over Rex Salazar (regarding upscaling from Ben Tennyson) went, that kind of stuff was deemed unquantificable on its own.

Able had to repeatedly resurrect back from the onslaught so they were skilled enough as they are
https://imgur.com/a/Gy36jZk

Being in an unquantificable amount of battles against opponents still being limited to non-superhuman capabilities or fancy abilities, I presume? Please read this to see how this isn't a particularly big skill feat per-say with the given details.
https://imgur.com/a/Gy36jZk

I mean Sora can only fight for so long and with the same movesets

It being a long-term war would imply this wasn't a constant assault 24/7, as it'd be assumptive to claim so, and Sora has over 500 moves from tens of different weapons and spells and can mix them on several more ways, he doesn't have one of the largest pages on VSBW for nothing.

These daevites were none other than the brethren of SCP-682 as explained by Weekly so there goes the sweeping entanglement

...Explained where? You'd usually link such post to begin with.

Now listen, this isn't about you and me here, we are going to bring other members in light of this subject as SCP-076 is noted as rather the god of combat skill with almost left-out details, arguments made are only brought to the lore as that's how powerful Able is seen in the wiki. there are old threads describing the combat Able possesses with one article being claimed as the one where he's mastered every earthly martial art, foreign combat technique, and weapon, and all within the span of combat experience proceeding time. Again, do not take my word for it, as the character has already built a reputation of skill-stomping his opponents with other members agreeing with them.

So here's what's gonna happen, for goofs to light up this situation so it doesn't turn nasty later on, a matchup between Sora and 682 would be preferable with the former having prior knowledge, this to bring light to the discussion at hand

And finally, you can make the skill thread of Sora vs 076-2 and bring members from both sides as see what conclusion to reach, or you can go to my thread.

Again, 682 is too unrelated, otherwise you may as well nominate him for another spot to begin with, it's difficult to claim feats for him that aren't just glorified hax (notably the adaptability)/stat stomping either way.

IDK sufficiently of SCP stuff to properly comment on that CRT, I'd rather wait for what some other members think on the matter before doing a match-up thread.

 

[First_Witch]

A unquantificable difference at most, I'm afraid, this whole deal reminds me of how i had to deal with nonsense arguments of Sion Zail being able to fight as a borderline corpse from sheer will as skill when that's just stamina + supernatural willpower, leaving at a side unquantificability as said before.

Son, skipping to the result to pretend that this isnt skill is laughable. If I reduce every ability of a character to a label and ignore the argument behind it no shit it dosnt make sense. You were literally the only one disagreeing on that and I dont appreciate you calling my argument nonsensical, especially in such blatant yet veiled manner, keep me out of your posts if you aint talking to me.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Imagine taking potshots like that at people but being eternally protected for being "Productive"

Jokes aside just don't be an asshole, Bob. If you do do it for entertainment purposes

 

[Bobsican]

Son, skipping to the result to pretend that this isnt skill is laughable. If I reduce every ability of a character to a label and ignore the argument behind it no shit it dosnt make sense. You were literally the only one disagreeing on that and I dont appreciate you calling my argument nonsensical, especially in such blatant yet veiled manner, keep me out of your posts if you aint talking to me.

What? You basically conceded on that as you didn't reply to the argument on that not being skill here beyond reiterating stuff, Sion being given FRAs doesn't necessarily validates every single point given.

That said, sorry if what I said sounded offensive, I just shared my genuine thoughts on the matter.

 

[First_Witch]

Alright, listen. I repeated multiple times that I have laid out my arguments and that I will not continue writing the same stuff over and over again. Me not replying to your rebuttal, that LITERALLY boils down to "I dont agree with that, thats just immortality + stamina + L + ratio", is me not conceding, its me valueing my time and not hitting copy paste for the 5th ******* time. Argument was literally "Sion can fight in a horrendous body condition -> Series LITERALLY atributtes it to her body control -> Series LITERALLY colerates that with her status as the Sword Saint" and I LITERALLY showed you the scan for that. I'm sorry if I dont adress literal non-arguments.

And dont play that game with me. You know damn well that votes and communities input is what decides the outcome on this thread. Be lucky that I wasn't petty enough to object to Kingdom Heart goons sharing a spot, considering that you objectivly got outvoted fair and square. People who could care less about Knight Run nor me agreed that Sion was more skilled.

 

[Bobsican]

I mean, I didn't object on Sion being more skilled (Even if I'm personally not that much of a fan, especially with the lack of scans for the most part), but rather on the validity of that particular point, as for the series treating that as skill, well, as far the consensus goes, then it'd still be unquantificable anyways as it doesn't pertain to consistency on physical techniques or biomechanical displays for those purposes.

 

[azontr]

I don't know why you keep bringing up that blog as if it's an official document we use on this site to index skill. People can disagree with its interpretation, it's not an official page that everyone has to follow.

 

[First_Witch]

Then don't word it like that, because that is literally objecting to the consensus. And it literally does. Its consistent usage of ones biomechanical abilities even in conditions that would make that impossibly hard. Its literally not even that insane of a body control feats, I know characters with far more impressive feats than Sion, hers is basic.

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

To be fair, I am also a bit skeptical on certain aspects of that blog.

Either way, I think we could all use with a bit less aggression here? It feels like things are getting heated.

 

[Bobsican]

I don't know why you keep bringing up that blog as if it's an official document we use on this site to index skill. People can disagree with its interpretation, it's not an official page that everyone has to follow.

Multiple mods have agreed with it, so it's the best we have as a sort of official document for these purposes, so you'd be free to make a CRT to make a more appropiate/"correct" alternative on that regard if anything.

Then don't word it like that, because that is literally objecting to the consensus. And it literally does. Its consistent usage of ones biomechanical abilities even in conditions that would make that impossibly hard. Its literally not even that insane of a body control feats, I know characters with far more impressive feats than Sion, hers is basic.

Let's agree to disagree I guess.

 

[azontr]

Multiple mods have agreed with it, so it's the best we have as a sort of official document for these purposes, so you'd be free to make a CRT to make a more appropiate/"correct" alternative on that regard if anything.

Mods such as? If it was agreed so universally I believe it'd be applied in some way that's more official, which honestly would make my job a lot easier-

 

[Bobsican]

DMUA and Nehz looking at the comments, but mind you, the reason it's not applied that much "officially" is because ultimately this is more of a series of semantics to keep in mind for discussions in vs threads or similar in the forum, rather than something that can be properly quantified on its own (aka, without comparing to other characters from other verses) to then mention on a page, as much as the Intelligence ratings criteria has always remained fairly vague as it's not that simple to say the least.

 

[azontr]

Like 2 mods agreeing in the comments doesn't really assure me as to the validity of the blog in all situations to be completely honest.

 

[Bobsican]

And that's why Q&A threads and CRTs exist, if in doubt, make a thread on the particular topic.

 

[Kirinator07]

Yeah I really lost you on that one conclusion once it was brought out, at this point, I'd rather make a 682 matchup to know what he'd go through and than make a skill thread between him and Able that has tags for members to see.

 

[Bobsican]

IDK how you'd use 682 when there's no skill feat list for him to begin with, and the page on the site (namely the intelligence section), doesn't go too in-depth, which is unusual for a genius rating TBH.
Unless you just want to see a sort of "sample" vs thread to see how that goes.

 

[Kirinator07]

IDK how you'd use 682 when there's no skill feat list for him to begin with, and the page on the site (namely the intelligence section), doesn't go too in-depth, which is unusual for a genius rating TBH.

Well, would you take the cowards path and not put him against it unlike Able, or would you really match him with it like what Able did, who knows if someone as versatile as Sora can put down this son-of-a-bitch for one hour as well cause he just might do it when in its base form.

 

[Kirinator07]

Because by not challenging Sora to a duel against someone like 682, you're admitting that Sora doesn't have the versatility like Able who's battled it many times for an hour and has even been proven to be a threat to it.

 

[Bobsican]

No, it's more that all of Sora's stuff also comes bundled with hax 682 lol adapts and escalates from there, unless hax is just restricted for the sake of the debate.

 

[azontr]

Sanest skill debate.

 

[First_Witch]

Let me extend this olive branch to you Bob.

What the **** is Kirnator talking about

 

[Kirinator07]

Let me extend this olive branch to you Bob.

What the **** is Kirnator talking about

I'm talking about the obvious implication of Sora going up to 682 just like what Able did.

No, it's more that all of Sora's stuff also comes bundled with hax 682 lol adapts and escalates from there, unless hax is just restricted for the sake of the debate.

Then it's be down to replication techniques in that case.

 

[Rikimarox2]

I'm not fluent in SCP language, but I'll give this a try: basically, I believe Kirn is trying to see if Sora can survive and not eat crap against SCP-682, since apparently able didn't eat crap. Additionally he wants to make a match just so that he can see what Sora does against 682, skill feats and all that, and compare it to Able.

(Can't even swear cause it's Ramadan)

 

[azontr]

(Can't even swear cause it's Ramadan)

Swearing is indeed haram, brother.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Swearing is indeed haram, brother.

I know Habibi

 

[Bobsican]

The closest thing Sora has fought that's like 682 (only physically speaking anyways) is this, which displays a good amount of his skillset, and his current self considerably upscales from that by having far more options and feats since then.

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

Looking on the image in 682's profile, I don't think Cerberus is the most apt comparison- It reminds me a tiny bit more of the Dark Thorn Heartless, and similarly built foes, though defeating Cerberus is likely a much better showing of skill. There isn't a great comparison in general, however

 

[Bobsican]

682 is a large quadrupedal reptile-like creature, so that would be a worse comparison as the Dark Thorn is bipedal.

 

[Shmooply]

the true question we should be asking ourselves is what would count as a skill feat for an animal character

 

[Bobsican]

The same as any other character? It's not like skill feats require human-like anatomy or the like, although it's difficult to argue raw skill per-say for 682 as said before out of lol adapt and most stuff it deals with just being hax/fodder. The best possible argument would just be age, which would probably be dismissed for similar reasons of this case.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'm like 90% sure 682's genius rating comes from his strategy, not his sheer skill lol

 

[Bobsican]

I guess that's valid, but then it'd be difficult to compare for these purposes.

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

682 is a large quadrupedal reptile-like creature, so that would be a worse comparison as the Dark Thorn is bipedal.

I miss typed, I meant the Dark Hide Heartless, apologies. Though, that is one of the few Heartless Sora himself actually isn't seen fighting, now thinking about it.

 

[Bobsican]

There's also the Cy-Bugs now that I think about it, but Sora never actualy fights those, although I could argue Sora upscales from those that do as they're inheriting his techniques.

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

Actually, maybe the Stealth Sneak heartless could be partially a apt comparison, with it's reptilian features- tho iirc it uses it's front limbs like feet and arms at times

 

[Bobsican]

682 also does that given it's often described to claw stuff or similar.

 

[Kirinator07]

the true question we should be asking ourselves is what would count as a skill feat for an animal character

I mean would having combat skill matter when you have quite the haxwall going and can copy & adapt physical techniques? Cause fighting and crippling something that may as well be way above your paygrade with just swords and pure skill alone while it mimics your combat styles would be the feat of the century, though most of his versatility comes from the lore.

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

It is decently important for the purposes of a thread where hax are, for the most part with a few exceptions, irrelevant. Even if this SCP has the advantage of Strategical Skill, for example, just having that alone isn't enough- Of course, I'm not saying that's all they have, but if they lack combative skill then that is a huge problem for arguing for them.

Again- This isn't me saying either way if the SCP is or isn't more skilled than Sora, just me pointing out that for the purposes of this thread, it likely does matter.

 

[Bobsican]

Even when arguing against Rex Salazar or Shirou hax and immortalities/regen had to be restricted when pitting them against Sora (and stats equalized of course) for the sake of actually focusing on combat skill.