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The wikis current documentation of both the Primarchs' power and various other characters that scale to them are heavily inaccurate and negatively affect the wiki's credibility. The Primarchs at present are all documented to be 4-B, or solar system level. This level of attack potency is derived from Sanguinius being capable of fighting Madail the Undivided. Which inside a RuinStorm was capable of making "a fortress billions of miles wide and millions of miles tall, a collection of impossible objects of non-euclidean shape millions and billions of miles in size which were larger than a said fortress, and the Necrosphere, a dome of bones enclosing an entire solar system."
While the feat in question has indeed been calced at 4-B, we must remember that this occurred within a RuinStorm, within the Warp. The Immatierum, or the Warp as it is more commonly known, is a realm of "purely psychic energy that echoes and underlies the familiar four dimensions of the material universe." The psychic energy that makes up the Immaterium is the direct result of sentience in the universe, particularly the intelligent species of the Milky Way Galaxy. Considered to be a dark reflection of the material universe, the Warp is an ocean of chaotic psychic energy, raw emotion given physical form. This is directly responsible for both the immense power of the comatose Emperor of humanity and the Chaos gods themselves. Byproducts of life's sapient emotions within the milky way galaxy. Moreover, it is likely only the life that exists within the galaxy that fuels the Immaterium. It is implied that the Tyranids have consumed most of the Cosmos' remaining life; although this is unconfirmed, they have, however, at least consumed "thousands of galaxies." Regardless, the belief in the Emperors' status as a god, by the Emperium, which is comprised of trillions of humans, is capable of elevating the God-Emperor to a level of power so vast that he can prevent the Chaos gods from consuming realspace. Each member of the ruinous powers is capable of creating and controlling structures of any dimensional size, such as an infinite-dimensional realm of thought and metaphor that is far above the combined knowledge and essence of the material universe, which already contains a myriad of higher dimensions so great that they "cannot be defined by so limited a thing as human language." and existing "beyond the very concepts of time and space, with the Warp's true nature being an utterly formless, dimensionless void without limits or true geography, with the only dimensions it or its inhabitants have being ones they choose to impose upon it or themselves."
Every single thought or feeling a sentient being has is both consciously and subconsciously manifested in some fashion in the Warp. Every single human emotion becomes a daemon; every metaphor becomes a literal meaning. Every sentient being, wishes, dreams, desires, fears, and nightmares are incarnated. Slannesh was unironically created by the Eldar engaging in far too much sexual depravity.
This brings us to the nature of daemons; all of the demons that belong to one of the chaos gods are effectively part of it, in the same way,, that cells are part of a human organism. While Daemons are immaterial creatures off the Warp, they are still organisms, organisms that subsist on emotion. The Daemons of the various chaos gods literally derive their power and sustenance from the emotions produced by sentient beings. This is also funnily enough; the reason demons can't just magically manifest themselves in the material world whenever they want; they need physical energy and lots of it. This means that while inside the Warp, greater daemons such as Ka'bandha are living gods. Within the Immaterium or eye of terror, however they are far weaker when manifesting themselves in the real world, as merely existing in the material world drains them of power.
Thus, the feats presented by Madail the Undivided and Ka'bandha being done in the eye of terror, or in the RuinStorm, do not scale to their material forms base statistics, and therefore Sanguinius. We must also note that Madail was attempting to turn Sanguinius to Chaos and not kill him, which makes scaling Sanguinius to him directly a little dubious.
This brings us to the topic of the Primarchs directly. The
Primarchs are the genetically-engineered transhuman "sons" of the Emperor of Mankind created in the late 30th Millennium. They were intended to be the immortal and superhuman generals and proconsuls who would command the Emperor's Great Crusade to reunite the scattered Human race beneath His leadership. Their genomes later served as the genetic templates from which the Emperor crafted His 20 Space Marine Legions.
"The Primarchs were bred to be perfect generals, warriors, and statesmen; larger, stronger, faster, and smarter than any normal human could ever hope to be. They possessed a potent charisma and martial prowess that made them like the mythical gods of old, untouchable by disease, old age, or supposedly the petty failings of lesser men."
The Primarchs genetic enhancements made them far stronger than both Astartes and Custodes, with Sanguinius being stated to move "Faster then the eye could follow" and "moved so fast; the Apothecary had barely registered the movement." Astartes have reaction times far superior to regular humans, with Sangouuis full speed "Letting it speed him towards terminal velocity." The current Primarchs statistics are spot on in this regard. As for strength/ durability feats, Sanguinius landings fall "with an impact greater than a point-blanc barrage from a Vindicator" vindicators being large siege tanks, and Ka'bandha is capable of causally flipping over a Rhino, an armored transport. "Ka'bandha gave a wordless shout of anger, shouldering aside a stalled Rhino, flipping the armored transport onto its roof." And Sanguinius tanked an explosion that rag-dolled him without injury, although the event adds further credence to the fact that current scaling is absurd. "Sanguinius was sent flying backward by the shockwave, slamming him into his throne." Angron, another Primarch, was capable of killing several dozen Eldar by himself as a child, although he received severe injuries in the process.
Angron later on, now an adult, survived the grueling implementation of the Butcher's Nails implants, which required a large portion of his skull to be broken (further adding credence to the previous arguments)
Now that we've returned to the topic, it seems prudent to also mention that during Vulcans meeting with the Emperor, Vulkan was genuinely scared of death when dangling over the edge of a volcano; all of these feet, while impressive, provide insurmountable evidence that the current level of scaling present for most of the Primarchs is incorrect, this extends towards the scaling of many other characters that are scaled to various Primarchs. I feel as though it is important to revise the pages in question, seeing as the basis for much of 40ks current scaling is incorrect, to begin with, this logic is actually applied to some pages already, with Magnus the reds page being a perfect example, with him having a page separate from his appearance in the warp.
While the feat in question has indeed been calced at 4-B, we must remember that this occurred within a RuinStorm, within the Warp. The Immatierum, or the Warp as it is more commonly known, is a realm of "purely psychic energy that echoes and underlies the familiar four dimensions of the material universe." The psychic energy that makes up the Immaterium is the direct result of sentience in the universe, particularly the intelligent species of the Milky Way Galaxy. Considered to be a dark reflection of the material universe, the Warp is an ocean of chaotic psychic energy, raw emotion given physical form. This is directly responsible for both the immense power of the comatose Emperor of humanity and the Chaos gods themselves. Byproducts of life's sapient emotions within the milky way galaxy. Moreover, it is likely only the life that exists within the galaxy that fuels the Immaterium. It is implied that the Tyranids have consumed most of the Cosmos' remaining life; although this is unconfirmed, they have, however, at least consumed "thousands of galaxies." Regardless, the belief in the Emperors' status as a god, by the Emperium, which is comprised of trillions of humans, is capable of elevating the God-Emperor to a level of power so vast that he can prevent the Chaos gods from consuming realspace. Each member of the ruinous powers is capable of creating and controlling structures of any dimensional size, such as an infinite-dimensional realm of thought and metaphor that is far above the combined knowledge and essence of the material universe, which already contains a myriad of higher dimensions so great that they "cannot be defined by so limited a thing as human language." and existing "beyond the very concepts of time and space, with the Warp's true nature being an utterly formless, dimensionless void without limits or true geography, with the only dimensions it or its inhabitants have being ones they choose to impose upon it or themselves."
Every single thought or feeling a sentient being has is both consciously and subconsciously manifested in some fashion in the Warp. Every single human emotion becomes a daemon; every metaphor becomes a literal meaning. Every sentient being, wishes, dreams, desires, fears, and nightmares are incarnated. Slannesh was unironically created by the Eldar engaging in far too much sexual depravity.
This brings us to the nature of daemons; all of the demons that belong to one of the chaos gods are effectively part of it, in the same way,, that cells are part of a human organism. While Daemons are immaterial creatures off the Warp, they are still organisms, organisms that subsist on emotion. The Daemons of the various chaos gods literally derive their power and sustenance from the emotions produced by sentient beings. This is also funnily enough; the reason demons can't just magically manifest themselves in the material world whenever they want; they need physical energy and lots of it. This means that while inside the Warp, greater daemons such as Ka'bandha are living gods. Within the Immaterium or eye of terror, however they are far weaker when manifesting themselves in the real world, as merely existing in the material world drains them of power.
Thus, the feats presented by Madail the Undivided and Ka'bandha being done in the eye of terror, or in the RuinStorm, do not scale to their material forms base statistics, and therefore Sanguinius. We must also note that Madail was attempting to turn Sanguinius to Chaos and not kill him, which makes scaling Sanguinius to him directly a little dubious.
This brings us to the topic of the Primarchs directly. The
Primarchs are the genetically-engineered transhuman "sons" of the Emperor of Mankind created in the late 30th Millennium. They were intended to be the immortal and superhuman generals and proconsuls who would command the Emperor's Great Crusade to reunite the scattered Human race beneath His leadership. Their genomes later served as the genetic templates from which the Emperor crafted His 20 Space Marine Legions.
"The Primarchs were bred to be perfect generals, warriors, and statesmen; larger, stronger, faster, and smarter than any normal human could ever hope to be. They possessed a potent charisma and martial prowess that made them like the mythical gods of old, untouchable by disease, old age, or supposedly the petty failings of lesser men."
The Primarchs genetic enhancements made them far stronger than both Astartes and Custodes, with Sanguinius being stated to move "Faster then the eye could follow" and "moved so fast; the Apothecary had barely registered the movement." Astartes have reaction times far superior to regular humans, with Sangouuis full speed "Letting it speed him towards terminal velocity." The current Primarchs statistics are spot on in this regard. As for strength/ durability feats, Sanguinius landings fall "with an impact greater than a point-blanc barrage from a Vindicator" vindicators being large siege tanks, and Ka'bandha is capable of causally flipping over a Rhino, an armored transport. "Ka'bandha gave a wordless shout of anger, shouldering aside a stalled Rhino, flipping the armored transport onto its roof." And Sanguinius tanked an explosion that rag-dolled him without injury, although the event adds further credence to the fact that current scaling is absurd. "Sanguinius was sent flying backward by the shockwave, slamming him into his throne." Angron, another Primarch, was capable of killing several dozen Eldar by himself as a child, although he received severe injuries in the process.
Angron later on, now an adult, survived the grueling implementation of the Butcher's Nails implants, which required a large portion of his skull to be broken (further adding credence to the previous arguments)
Now that we've returned to the topic, it seems prudent to also mention that during Vulcans meeting with the Emperor, Vulkan was genuinely scared of death when dangling over the edge of a volcano; all of these feet, while impressive, provide insurmountable evidence that the current level of scaling present for most of the Primarchs is incorrect, this extends towards the scaling of many other characters that are scaled to various Primarchs. I feel as though it is important to revise the pages in question, seeing as the basis for much of 40ks current scaling is incorrect, to begin with, this logic is actually applied to some pages already, with Magnus the reds page being a perfect example, with him having a page separate from his appearance in the warp.
