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Warhammer 40,000: Discussione Generalis #1

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Matthew Schroeder said:
I got Wrath of Magnus. Gonna read it later to see if it has feats.
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It has some pretty good ones. I only directly looked through for Magnus feats, but I'm sure there are more for other characters that I missed.
 
Said I was gonna do this, and now I am. Here's what goes down in chapter two of Fracture of Biel-Ta.

  • Many Biel-Tani aren't exactly happy about Yvraine donkey-punching their world in order to give birth to the avatar of a god, and attempt to attack her. The Visarch promptly beats the shit out of them.
  • Meanwhile, the more reasonable Eldar start using soulstones to save all the wandering souls expelled from the broken infinity circuit. Yvraine's Bloodbrides and the Visarch's Incubi help out as well. Some Biel-Tani initially think they're trying to jack all the souls for themselves, but the Harlequins clarify that these Eldar are simply so in tune with Ynnead, the spirits come to them completely willingly. They then proceed to transfer most of the souls into wraith constructs, because wraith constructs are ******* cool.
  • Meanwhile (again), on Craftworld Ulthwé, Eldrad senses that the Yncarne has been created and Ynnead has awoken, which is kind of hard to ignore, considering it's changing and destroying things across the entire galaxy. Eldrad commands the Seer Council to gather the crystal majiggers and do a thing. They agree to do this, but they also talk shit behind his back before doing the thing.
  • Eldrad and the Seers do the thing, which tears open a huge Warp portal between Ulthwé and Biel-Tan. The Yncarne, Yvraine, the Visarch, their warriors, and multiple warriors and wraiths from Biel-Tan who have seen the glory of Ynnead enter it, because really it's not like they have much of a better option, right now.
  • The portal leads to utter Chaos. As in,the fully unfettered Warp. However, the Yncarne is such a boss, that its presence alone repels the Empyrean, and the Chaos Gods cannot even directly observe it, despite the entity guiding its followers straight through literal Hell.
  • Also, the ripples from the mere act of the Yncarne travelling through the Warp causes massive Warp quakes, tearing apart the Gellar fields of Imperial ships and distorting the Astronomicon.
  • Yvraine and her posse arrive on Ulthwé in a matter of hours, and Yvraine immediately explains how they need to gather the dragon balls Chaos emeralds Croneswords so that Ynnead can fully manifest. The Seer Council tells her to shut the **** up and then puts Eldrad in space court for the crime of being one of the only Eldar who actually does anything.
  • The Council and Yvraine's followers argue back and forth about if Eldrad was in the right or the wrong, but the yelling is paused when a bunch of mysterious Eldar from Craftworld Altansar show up.
  • A Warlock from among the Altansar visitors addresses everyone about the matters at hand. You can tell she's important because she has a magical blue space cat. She states that they must return to the Eye of Terror and retrieve the Croneswords stranded in there, and that she would be the perfect one to help, as her Craftworld was stuck in the Eye for many years. She then follows with, "But I ain't doin' that shit, again", and proceeds to literally kill herself.
  • Turns out she did this because she knew Yvraine could absorb souls. Absorbing the Warlock's soul not only makes Yvraine more powerful and gives her the important knowledge of the Eye of Terror, but she also gets to keep the magical blue space cat.
  • The Seer Council doesn't want to let Yvraine leave because they're a bunch of incompetent idiots, so fightings breaks out. It stops when some old Farseer who had put himself in a sort of self-imposed exile for a really long time suddenly shows up and tells the Council to stop being a bunch of dickwads and to let the Ynnari go to the Eye of Terror.
  • The Ynnari head off for the Eye of Terror after gaining some new party members; a handful of Ulthwé's Black Guardians, the old Farseer (named Kysaduras), and Eldrad himself. On their way to the crone world of Belial IV, they escape from tornadoes made of teeth, hailstorms of blood-soaked skulls, and ghost suns that try to eat them. Because it's the Eye of Terror. **** you.
  • Upon arriving on Belial IV, the group is attacked by a bunch of Haemonculi and their twisted creations sent by Vect to destroy them. The Haemonculi are the only ones who were willing to go into the Eye, since they have backup pieces of themselves back in Commorragh that will prevent Slaanesh from getting their souls.
  • The elder Haemonculus opens a box full of djinns that start trying to tear the Visarch apart. Just before his limbs are ripped off, the Yncarne bursts from the corpse of a Pain Engine like the god damn Kool-Aid Man, tearing the incorporeal beings apart with its bare hands. It then proceeds to completely destroy the Haemonculus, his backup flesh back in Commorragh, and his essence with only the flex of a finger. The other Haemonculi, realizing the Yncarne can kill them permanently without allowing for any sort of Regenerationn, freak out and flee the Eye.
  • Immediately afterwards, our heroes are attacked by Slaaneshi daemons. Because these people can't catch a break.
  • While the Ynnari initially seem to be winning, this changes in seconds as a giant ground-gina/mouth opens up on the surface of the planet, releasing three Keepers of Secrets, who start slaughtering hundreds of Ynnari. While the Yncarne charges them and tears out the biggest Greater Daemon's throat, this doesn't stop it, and the Yncarne is destroyed by being trampled on by countless Slaaneshi daemons.
  • This tragedy prompts Yvraine to do her best Episode III Darth Vader "NOOOOOOOOOOO!", fearing this is the end for her group. However, upon accidentally discovering the underground location of the Cronesword, she channels her energy to its location, causing the Yncarne to spontaneously recreate itself from ancient Eldar souls even stronger than before, now equipped with the most powerful of all five Croneswords, and completely blitz the three Greater Daemons into nonexistence before they can even react. In the blink of an eye (get it?), the tide turns.
Chapter three coming soon (hopefully).
 
Oh baby.

Also, as I'm assuming Part III is the last part of Gathering Storm, watch them have Guilliman be the one to defeat Abaddon, despite all the lore contradicting it, and the Ynnari do basically nothing.

What I would like though, is a redo of Abaddon and Eldrad's initial fight at the climax. Eldrad has been pushed waaaaay to the side recently, and deserves to be the one to beat the Despoiler.
 
The Gathering Storm is a three parter, yeah.

However, Guilliman is actually wielding the Emperor's sword in the promo's we've seen, so I won't mind if he beats Abaddon.
 
I'm really hoping expecting that, after this event, they'll probably pull something with Abaddon, like they did with Archaon in Fantasy, and Chaos will just go "**** it" and make him an even bigger threat.

Then he'll probably get a new model with absolutely stupid good rules. He's been too important (ie. the driving force behind this entire event) for GW to just leave him with his 20 something year old model and no updated rules.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
However, Guilliman is actually wielding the Emperor's sword in the promo's we've seen, so I won't mind if he beats Abaddon.
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I won't mind if and only if they make it very clear that the sword is what allowed him to win, seeing as at this point, Abaddon is capable of one-shotting base Primarch level characters.

Edit: Apparently, GW staff seems to be implying that not only is Guilliman wielding the Emperor's sword, but is also boosted by what is either Eldar or Necron tech, had his armour upgraded by Cawl, and is protected by Celestine's blessings and halo.

If this is the case, he's definitely going to need a key when his page is made.
 
Alright. Just finished chapter 3 of FoBT, and it was pretty enjoyable. A lot happens, so let's get into it.

  • It starts off exactly where the last chapter ended, with the Ynnari fighting Slaaneshi daemons on Belial IV. The daemons, now going for a less direct approach, are attempting to trap many of the Eldar on the crone world, damning their souls to Slaanesh.
  • Fortunately, a giant rune portal opens up, and ghost warriors (another term for wraith constructs) spill from it, clad in the colors of Craftworld Iyanden. The Spiritseer leading them commands the wraiths to hold off the daemonic forces, allowing the Ynnari to escape to the """""safety""""" of Iyanden.
  • Yvraine quickly becomes besties with Iyanna, the Spiritseer who helped save them. This almost makes up for the fact that the fourth Cronesword, which was apparently supposed to be on Iyanden, isn't actually there.
  • The day continues to get worse as two massive space hulks full of Nurgle daemons spontaneously appear out of the Warp, making a direct course for the craftworld, with any daemons able to fly already assaulting its shielding.
  • Yvraine wishes to help, but a Farseer named Dhentiln Firesight only allows Harlequins and Craftworld Eldar from among the Ynnari to go fight, essentially keeping Yvraine and the former Dark Eldar Ynnari under house arrest due to the fact that he's super racist untrusting of them due to their Commorrite origin. While stuck being away from the fight, Yvraine uses her apparently Multi-Solar System range psychic powers to commune with some potential allies.
  • Three daemon princes and a horde of rot flies burst through the craftworld's defences and into the gardens below. They are efficiently taken out by multiple shrines of Swooping Hawks and Crimson Hunters, though this turns out to just be more of a distraction and potential mode of infection, as Iyanden's space armada remains completely unable to deal significant damage to the hulks.
  • Yvraine's help arrives just in time. A group of corsairs who owe her some favors emerge from behind the smaller space hulk, their combined fire allowing them to blow it to smithereens. Not only that, but even more corsairs show up, this time headed by the Outcast Prince Yriel. Unfortunately, the larger space hulk is ECKSBAWKZ HUEG, and even the combined fire of the Eldar fleets wouldn't break off enough of it to stop the ship from destroying Iyanden on collision.
  • Yriel comes up with a dangerously suicidal plan, but since it's really their only option and sounds super cool, the other corsair princes agree to it. Together, wearing suits that protect them from the hazardous toxins and bacteria inside the infested space hulk, they use a webway portal to sneak inside in hopes of being able to destroy the ship's engine.
  • Getting to the ship's engine room is a piece of cake. Then they realize there's a fuckhuge daemon prince in there waiting for them. And a bunch of sleeping Beasts of Nurgle all over the engine. Then the daemon prince takes a bite out of one of the corsair princes and all the beasts wake up and turn into rot flies. And then everything becomes a massive clusterfuck.
  • At the climax of the battle, Yriel, who is the last surviving corsair, rams the Spear of Twilight into the ship's core, causing the plague on much of the ship to be burned away and its course to be halted. The daemon prince whips a broken girdir at Yriel, but since he's too damaged to fight back and too exhausted to dodge, it ******* kills him. RIP
  • The daemon prince, still wanting to destroy the Craftworld, thinks it'd be a funny meme to fill Yriel's corpse with spores, freeze him in crystal, then leave him floating in space. Once some of Iyanden's fleets retrieve the body, they have wraith constructs break Yriel's crystaline shell in an airtight room, since they predicted the daemons were probably trying to prank them.
  • Yvraine doesn't seem too distraught by Yriel's demise, and for good reason. First, she uses her ridiculously OP death manipulation powers to channel a spell into the chamber after the wraiths have left. While it has no effect on Yriel (since he's kinda already dead), it does completely destroy each and every microscopic spore and piece of the daemonic disease. Then she walks into the room and ******* stabs Yriel in the chest with his own spear. Then he gets better from being dead. Turns out the Spear of Twilight is actually one of the Croneswords, and that it can both suck away life and grant it. Neat.
  • Now that they have four of the five swords (Yvraine's, the Visarch's, the Yncarne's, and Yriel's), they get ready to head to their next destination. While Eldrad is once again trying to convince people to come with them, the Eldar of Iyanden are pretty against it until they see that Yvraine has miraculously cured Yriel from his bad case of being killed.
  • Cut to Commorragh, where everything is still a giant shitstorm. Vect is busy lying to everyone about having the situation under control and Yvraine in captivity, while the Dark Eldar are busy killing each other/being killed by daemons/being killed by Mandrakes/making things even worse. Meanwhile, Urien Rakarth, master Haemonculus, ponders the nature of Ynnead's power. While the idea of complete and inescapable death is horrifying even for the Haemonculi, the chance to wield both this power and the power of eternal life has Rakarth thinking of plans.
  • The Ynnari set out into the webway, now aided by massive numbers of wraith constructs, who are pretty cool with Yvraine considering she can actually return their full personality, memory, and functionality from life while still in their new bodies.
  • It turns out that, after hearing rumors of Yvraine's powers, Ahriman wants to tear them from her so that he may return his fallen brothers to their old selves, which is...pretty selfless, actually.
  • A massive battle ensues, and even all of the Phoenix Lords join the fray, with some pretty crazy feats for the original Exarchs. Baharroth decapitates a Lord of Change, Fuegan one-shots a Lord of Change with his firepike, and Karandras lands a surprise attack on another Lord of Change, managing to tear it apart. This is especially notable for Karandras, who is most known for the feat of being punched to death by a dreadnought. However, considering Phoenix Lords are spirits stored in soulstones who will bond with different Eldar indefinitely, it's possible that was simply a much weaker incarnation.
  • The Eldar forces also thankfully have Eldrad on their side, throwing out powerful runes of protection. The book even makes it clear that, had Eldrad not been there, the combined might of the Thousand Sons would have made it a massacre. Kysaduras is also helping out, disrupting Thousand Sons firing lines with magical blasts of warp lightning. Ahriman decides he ain't havin' any of that shit, and turns Kysaduras into a wooden statue. He then proceeds to burn multiple Harlequins to dust, signalling a change in the tide of battle.
  • Well into the fight, the Exiles show up. The ancient sorcerers assist their master by using their immense magical powers to **** shit up. This enrages Yvraine, who along with the Visarch and the Yncarne, manage to kill several of the nine Exiles before the Yncarne turns a bunch of Rubric Marines into lifeless statues.
  • Deciding he's done with this bullshit, Ahriman cups his hands and proceeds to BFR Yvraine, the Visarch, and even the Yncarne into a void of nothingness outside the Webway, where Ahriman has complete power. Yvraine realizes how screwed she is and says she can bring back Ahriman's brothers. Initially, he ignores this, but Yvraine casts her powers back into the webway and fully restores a dozen Rubric Marines, body and soul.
  • The confused marines, their last memories being from around the Heresy, ask where they are, but recognize Ahriman. Overjoyed and on the verge of tears, Ahriman pulls the Triumvirate of Ynnead back into the webway. Considering this has been Ahriman's goal all along, it seems like the sorcerer may even be willing to help the Ynnari, now.
  • Yvraine then pulls the ultimate dick move and basically goes, "IT WAS JUST A PRANK, BRO!", and has a Wraithknight cut open the floor before the Yncarne pushes the newly sapient marines into a bottomless void. Losing his shit over the thought of his brothers being gone again, Ahriman shoots after them on his Disc of Tzeentch, allowing the Ynnari to continue on without the threat of the Thousand Sons.
  • We now get to where Fall of Cadia ended. The Ynarri arrive on Klaisus, save the Imperial forces from the Black Legion, etc. etc.
  • The Ynnari and the Imperial forces have a discussion about becoming allies due to the threat of Chaos now growing big enough to potentially cause the fabric of the entire universe to be shredded to nothingness. Greyfax is extremely hesitant, but Celestine trusts the Eldar due to her visions of the future, and Cawl is willing to complete his mission at all costs.
  • Yvraine expresses that humanity will not listen and won't be willing to ally, for they are too entangled in their old ways and their false views of the Emperor's morals. We then get the big twist (well, twist before Part III's teaser was released), that the stasis chamber Cawl is carrying contains Roboute Guilliman. Yvraine proposes that they combine their efforts and bring the primarch back, for they all know that among the sons of the Emperor, Guilliman would be one of the least likely to allow this bastardization of his father's vision to stand, would understand the threat to humanity and the universe as a whole, and could be a new hero who will rise up, lead humanity, and allow the Eldar and their new allies to finally push back the encroaching tide of Chaos, and even cast down She Who Thirsts.
  • With all parties knowing what must be done if any life in the galaxy is to survive, the alliance leaves Klaisus through the webway portal, making their way towards Macragge.
Side Note: I hadn't noticed this until I finished reading fully, but four of the five Croneswords have been found, and all five are needed for Ynnead to manifest at full power. Judging by the promos for part III, and the fact that Cypher is a main player, I think there are two options.

1. The sword Cypher has been seeking to reforge for so long to absolve his chapter is actually the final Cronesword.

2. Yvraine made a comment that she and Celestine "share the same gods", implying a link between the Emperor and Ynnead. Given that we know Guilliman will wield the Emperor's sword, perhaps that is the final Cronesword.
 
Anyway, since I finished the story, I want to give the Yncarne actual stats now. I'm just unsure on exactly what they should be.
 
That would be impossible, there are too many classes and variants to reach any proper ranking.
 
@Matt

Maybe? I mean, looking at its feats in the story, it's kind of hard to tell. The most notable ones being:

  • Its birth tears apart a large portion of Biel-Tan, which has been stated to be comparable to a large continent in size. Continent level AP feat.
  • It also alters events across the entire galaxy. Galactic range.
  • Distorting the Astronomicon and repelling the Warp. Depending on how much of the Astronomicon was distorted (the implication seemed to be a lot of it was), this is anywhere from very high-end 4-B to 4-A.
  • Destroys every part of a Haemonculus with a twitch of its finger. Multi-Universal range.
  • Murders three Greater Daemons near the heart of the Eye of Terror after getting its Cronesword. Lowballing this to "slightly stronger than in realspace", this would be a Low 5-B to 5-B feat. However, due to the location in the Eye and what Greater Daemons are shown to be able to do there, it might again be from 4-B to 4-A.
  • Shown as superior to the Phoenix Lords, some of whom are capable of one-shotting Lords of Change. Low 5-B AP scaling.


@Inti

Because there are an absolutely insane number of forces in the Imperium. Even if it was something like "Imperial Ships", it would be a lot.
 
@Azathoth

Is his feat of repelling the Chaos Gods only in the Warp? Cause I was under the impression that this was in the Materium as well, which would make the Yncarne stronger than the Emperor, lel.

Anyway, I think that "4-B, possibly 4-A" seems very good.
 
The Yncarne only seems to grant bonus protection from Chaos while in the materium. However, by the act of walking through the Warp (which supposedly didn't empower it), it forcibly pushed away portions of the Warp and distorted the Astronomico. Because it's bullshit.

That rating sounds good. It also just goes to show how bullshit Ahriman's hax are (and further justification for his "likely far higher"), since he was able to toss the Triumvirate of Ynnead into a void in which they were powerless to defy him.
 
I am actually curious about Morai-Heg, now. The "Croneswords" are actually just bits of her, and they can do all sorts of broken shit and are extremely powerful. Makes me wonder how strong she would fully be, and it is yet another feat that shatters the idea that the Eldar Gods are fodder.
 
I think the deal with Morai-Heg was that she was not a fighter, but possessed great inherent power regarding the future and fate. There was also some kind of link between her and Ynnead that I can't remember the specifics of, but I believe in combining the Croneswords, Ynnead is both metaphorically and physically tearing the fate of the Eldar away from Slaanesh and bringing them into a better future, where they can once again be reincarnated for all eternity and beyond.
 
She is like the Moirai in that she is not a warrior, but holds tremendous power (In her case, psychic) relating to Fate.

But still, to have your fingers forged in some of the most powerful swords in the galaxy? That's crazy.
 
I'm salty that Vaul has no picture, since he has one of the best feats out of all the Eldar Pantheon. Namely, forging a sword that allowed him to battle Khaine.
 
If a profile for Vaul is created, what rating would we give him as? We would scale him to Khaine, as he fought against him in combat, correct?
 
@Not

I prefer the picture the way it currently is.

@Lina

He would be scaled to Khaine, yes. Even if he lost and was mained badly, he still challenged Khaine during their fight.
 
There's also Hoec, who is the most obscure Eldar God ever, but he is said to be one with the ******* Webway. But he is only briefly mentioned in a 4th Edition Codex, I doubt he is even canon nowadays.
 
Was Hoec even established as a full-fledged god, or was he just referred to as some sort of "mysterious entity" in Eldar mythology?
 
"The eldar believe they damned themselves. Perhaps, perhaps not. Whether they accelerated or heralded their demise is irrelevant; they were damned the moment the first ape-like human picked up a rock and used it to break open his brother's skull.

We are alone in this galaxy. Alone with the nightmares of all who have lived and hoped and raged and wept before us. Alone with our ancestors' nightmares.

So remember these words. The Gods do not hate us. They do not scream for the destruction of all we hold dear. They are us. They are our sins coming home to the hearts that gave them life.

We are the Gods, and the hells that we have made are our own." - Iskandar Khayon

Daily reminder that The Talon of Horus is really damn good.
 
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