V1 vs Yujiro Hanma (8-3-0) (GRACE)

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

oh yeah talking about brain stuff, husks are undead ppl that can tear off their own skin and become sans because of too much debt. Angels don't even resemble human bodies, just like Gabriel's "armor" is actually his "flesh", and demons are clearly not humans, waterworms, bulls, even statues, that's why they can still survive Railcoining but they still take tons of damage, ye lol yujiro's brain still get cooked

why would yujiro brain get cooked, his dura scales to 15 kilotons

 

[Jerry59]

why would yujiro brain get cooked, his dura scales to 15 kilotons

like i said, the enemies doesn't have the same anatomy as a human but still takes tons of damage, Yujiro still has a human brain... oh mb, ORGE's brain, the damage will still be fatal

 

[Jerry59]

and like other fellas just said, it can keep its distance, after all it is much more mobile

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

like i said, the enemies doesn't have the same anatomy as a human but still takes tons of damage, Yujiro still has a human brain... oh mb, ORGE's brain, the damage will still be fatal

im 100% sure, thats not how durability works

 

[Jerry59]

im 100% sure, thats not how durability work

that's 100% how durability works and you can't prove me otherwise

 

[Jerry59]

also, does yujiro use stealth mastery while fighting in character?

iirc he once fought Musashi in a similar place here, he knew Musashi was a really strong dude and he didn't even use Stealth Mastery once in that fight, he just used it to jumpscare fodders I think

 

[Jerry59]

I am not to knowledgeable on the speed and mobility of characters within ULTRAKILL verse, but Yujiro isn't a slow either. Man can appear behind a woman and grab her despite being some distance away. And since speed is equalized they will be moving relative to each other. That and Yujiro has speed amps.

Yujiro also has stealth mastery, he could sneak up on V1 while he least expects it.

V1 can calculate coins when they are very far away and turn them into orbital strike, while having to deal with hordes of enemies in all directions, you literally just said speed equalize after saying he can sneak attack people when it's obviously because he can blitz them, the hell is Yujiro going to do with his sneaking shit ?? V1 already dealt with Gabe and Prime Souls, whose travel speeds far, far exceeded V1's, while V1 is, again, dealing with hordes of enemies with extremely huge numbers, it also had Parry that reflect almost everything, much stronger than a normal punch, it is wack as hell, an amp is not gonna stop it. V1 is definitely not as skilled as Yujiro but it is still a genius combatant, Demon Back is a real treat but V1 can heal via absorbing Yujiro's blood, pulls out even more ricoshots/railcoining and shotgun amp will do the thing

 

[AigerTheKing]

Then, how does Yujiro have any chance here? According to you, he can't dodge the 1-hit kill move that "splatters his brains", and its V1 opening move. I fail to see how this wouldn't be considered a stomp.

How is it a stomp?

 

[Polandballczechball]

Me personally, voting sparechange% mid diff

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

How is it a stomp?

there no stomp, some guy thinks the rail cannon can one shot, even though it doesn't

 

[DMUA]

Yujiro due to better skill and AP.

In melee, but in general?

• Coins automatically target the weak point of any enemies within their line of sight. V1 doesn't really have any supernatural homing ability, so this is really just pure skill. Pure skill that goes even further when you're talking about Railcoining, where they throw several coins into the air around an enemy, fire their railcannon through said enemy and then bounce it off the coin to hit them again repeatedly.
• Similarly, they can fire the Sharpshooter, ricochet that off the ground, throw a coin to ricochet it again and essentially juggle it until they're out of coins
• They can throw 4 coins into the air and then shoot another coin, ricocheting the bullet upwards and causing all the coins to split into another piece that goes directly into the enemies their fighting (and in this video, this causes them to explode because they were about to unleash an energy attack)
• Coins are also capable of doing a chargeback, where V1 throws them at anything from a high caliber sniper rifle to a beam of explosive energy to a straight up lightning bolt, redirecting that straight to the nearest enemy (usually the sender)
• V1 can land on rockets fired at them, essentially turning them into his personal hoverboard until they run out of thrust (In this video they also crash a lot but they're kinda messing around, it's more than viable to take it for a spin)
• And just to make sure we're clear all of this is canon, the in game style ranking system is canon and machines are all motivated to fight with the absolute most level of skill they possibly can to get their footage ranked highly, to which V1 is pretty evidently the apex (Cybergrind is also canonically mentioned in the same entry and is loaded with stuff like Swordsmachine, which directly uses the same type of Shotgun as V1, alongside a bunch of other similarly tough enemies coming at him in droves on all sides)

And given rocket riding and the whiplash, V1 has a lot more means to keep that distance where he's much better than Yujiro has to close the distance and keep V1 close.

why would yujiro brain get cooked, his dura scales to 15 kilotons

V1's feedbacker, his weakest weapon, is 13 Kilotons. I dunno if the railgun would strictly one-shot but he wouldn't be having a good time with that, or a lot of V1's weapons.

Keep in mind, he's not just bouncing stuff on coins, he's bouncing a hitscan revolver or railgun off them in a pattern about as elaborate as they want. Yujiro would need some serious showings if you want to say he can dodge consistently enough to avoid getting worn down, get close, and never get his blood drunken for V1 to just recover and keep going full throttle.

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

V1's feedbacker, his weakest weapon, is 13 Kilotons. I dunno if the railgun would strictly one-shot but he wouldn't be having a good time with that, or a lot of V1's weapons.

Keep in mind, he's not just bouncing stuff on coins, he's bouncing a hitscan revolver or railgun off them in a pattern about as elaborate as they want. Yujiro would need some serious showings if you want to say he can dodge consistently enough to avoid getting worn down, get close, and never get his blood drunken for V1 to just recover and keep going full throttle.

oh i see yeah, my dumbass didn't thought this, i think v1 profile should say something "Tier: 7-C, Higher whit weapons, far higher whit rail cannon" or something like that

 

[DMUA]

oh i see yeah, my dumbass didn't thought this, i think v1 profile should say something "Tier: 7-C, Higher whit weapons, far higher whit rail cannon" or something like that

The main thing is that we also don't have any concrete feats for the exact scale this goes to, so there's not much to actually describe beyond the fact he feedbacker is what it is and he uses guns for a reason (thus it's not compelling to write down)

Anyways, I'm voting for V1, to clarify. Being way more mobile and being as or more skilled through firearms than Yujiro is with hand to hand would go a very long way, and even the distance closing is something V1 could heal off of through absorbing blood.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

The main thing is that we also don't have any concrete feats for the exact scale this goes to, so there's not much to actually describe beyond the fact he feedbacker is what it is and he uses guns for a reason (thus it's not compelling to write down)

Anyways, I'm voting for V1, to clarify. Being way more mobile and being as or more skilled through firearms than Yujiro is with hand to hand would go a very long way, and even the distance closing is something V1 could heal off of through absorbing blood.

Grace

 

[Jerry59]

24h period has begun, peak

 

[Rikimarox2]

Kind of off topic, but do we consider V1 to scale in anyway to King Minos' corpse considering it can "parry" its punches, or do we considering V1's Parry mechanic to not qualify due to it punching?

 

[AThe1412]

The Strongest Thing gets beaten by a goddamn GoPro FRA.

Kind of off topic, but do we consider V1 to scale in anyway to King Minos' corpse considering it can "parry" its punches, or do we considering V1's Parry mechanic to not qualify due to it punching?

V1's whole entire scaling comes from him parrying Corpse of King Minos.

 

[Rikimarox2]

V1's whole entire scaling comes from him parrying Corpse of King Minos.

Should've clarified, I meant in terms of LS (Corpse is like, Class M level of size). Not in terms of AP and stuff.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

24h period has begun, so peak

U should change the score to 8-3 tho

 

[AThe1412]

U should change the score to 8-3 tho

They're not the OP.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

They're not the OP.

Mb

 

[Jerry59]

U should change the score to 8-3 tho

OP will do it anyway, no need to rush lma

 

[AThe1412]

Should've clarified, I meant in terms of LS (Corpse is like, Class M level of size). Not in terms of AP and stuff.

If someone can find the Corpse's LS based on its sheer size then probably.

 

[Jerry59]

If someone can find the Corpse's LS based on its sheer size then probably.

I mean it punched the corpse's arm away at fricking 2000 m/s so maybe it could get class M, though Parry seems more like a semi-special ability so maybe nah (and the sheer size of it weighing 29 million kg doesn't mean it can lift that much, iirc)

 

[Rikimarox2]

If someone can find the Corpse's LS based on its sheer size then probably.

I mean, we already know his weight based on this calc which we already accept, and use for the feats on V's profile. It has King Minos at like 440000 tonnes, which is Class M.

Now, the problem is whether V's "Parry" qualifies for it or if we just consider it "Le funny punch so no ls".

 

[AThe1412]

I mean it punched the corpse's arm away at fricking 2000 m/s so maybe it could get class M, though Parry seems more like a semi-special ability so maybe nah (and the sheer size of it weighing 29 million kg doesn't mean it can lift that much, iirc)

I once upgraded a profile to Class G based on the character parrying a giant 470 meter long serpent so it should be fine, though the point about the Corpse's sheer size makes sense. We need him to at least stand up from a crouched position or something for him to scale.

 

[AThe1412]

I mean, we already know his weight based on this calc which we already accept, and use for the feats on V's profile. It has King Minos at like 440000 tonnes, which is Class M.

Now, the problem is whether V's "Parry" qualifies for it or if we just consider it "Le funny punch so no ls".

Like I mentioned above, parrying should count since V1 is pushing back the force behind Minor's arm.

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

sorry for being late, im adding the votes

 

[DMUA]

Should've clarified, I meant in terms of LS (Corpse is like, Class M level of size). Not in terms of AP and stuff.

punching is not a lifting strength feat, no

 

[Jerry59]

punching is not a lifting strength feat, no

Didn't that punch cause the force that pushed Minos back uhh ?

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

grace ended, adding this to their profiles

 

[DMUA]

Didn't that punch cause the force that pushed Minos back uhh ?

A punch is striking strength. Being measured in joules doesn't magically negate all force that would come as a result of the kinetic energy and that fact doesn't indicate their ability to lift heavy objects or outwrestle very strong opponents.

 

[Homie890]

I once upgraded a profile to Class G based on the character parrying a giant 470 meter long serpent so it should be fine, though the point about the Corpse's sheer size makes sense. We need him to at least stand up from a crouched position or something for him to scale.

sekiro?

 

[AThe1412]

sekiro?

Ye.

 

[Homie890]

Ye.

thats based.

 

[AThe1412]

thats based.

I even made the calculation, albeit it was pretty easy.