Of all the examples, you had to remind me of that one. That moment triggered me.
A lot faster than Usopp
Now we’ve entered the realm of semantics and unknown variables. Too much of the fight is feeling dependent on factors we as debaters can’t control or fully know about.
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if you want to see why they scale above usopp in speed you should preferably watch post timeskip the show has many moments where his pop greens outperform him and even just using common sense if Usopp had speed relative or surpassing his pop greens why doesn't he just attack the villains by himself a good example of his pop greens being superior to him would be the fishman island arc
That’s not really an argument for his plants being higher in speed to a point it matters here. Also that would probably require a crt to note in his speed section if they were faster to the same degree Nagant’s bullets are faster.
Usopp doesn't scale to his pop greens so we don't know how he scales to that fishman but his pop green is clearly faster than him
Why are we assuming that she exactly knows what Usopp is going to do, he holds the advantage in versatility he could start with literally anything, on top of that he knows her bullets are fast, can curve, and she can rapid fire. Judging by what you are trying to imply she will immediately start off with rapid fire, so which raises the question if the plants blocks her rapid fire, doesn't she need to shoot again because the said bullets are stopped, there is no "curve" or anything when her first fire is stopped, of course, she will immediately proceed to shoot again. However, Usopp will blind her via flash dial or shoot his sleep gas. (His Range abilities are also faster than himself)
Thanks for clearing this up, so in other words, it's not just a rifle she can transform it into a snipe same way Baby 5 does?
King... we are currently awaiting a big revision. This will also be included, i'll have you know most One piece pages are outdated, also most CTRs in One piece are currently "invalid" since it'll be a big revision.
Usopp has faster attacks than Nagant though blatantly since a flash dial is a SOL attack
Yes. The fishman is naturally faster than Usopp. Usopp baiting him into his trap doesn't disprove it, most of Usopp's enemies are faster and stronger than him normally, he beats them with either "Hax" or intelligence.
The issue however is that he can’t pull out enough objects to block her since she knows his abilities too. She starts with shooting him with her bullets and he either dies or gets a plant out to block. You realize she can preplan her bullets to curve and hit him right? She doesn’t need to shoot straight at him, she’s hitting him from multiple angles to either kill him first or tear apart any plants he puts up to protect himself.
Current possible revisions have Lady Nagant becoming 7-A+. So ok.
So what, this whole match was pointless cause revisions anyway
It's not set in stones too, you may say that at first, but what if everyone will disagree with it?
Even after Wano? Lol
I can direct that question back at you. How are you certain everyone will agree about Usopp’s attack speed? You brought up revisions first.
Won't happen her AP isn't large enough to easily get pass through the plants, even then her first attack is technically stopped. You are implying that her bullets easily tear any plants apart, but the issue here is his plants will come up immediately the moment he shot them and protect him.
Destroying the plants also requires time and focus. Also the plants are meant to distract her, so saying she will focus on getting rid of them first means she fell into Usopp's plan before you say otherwise she straight up admitted that she will trying to get rid of them. Furthermore, since he knows about her ability to manipulate the bullets he will definitely come up with a plan to restrain her via using smokescreen to hinder her sight or force her to retreat into a safe position by shooting his sleep gas, either that or he will use this to end put her to sleep.
Not necessarily. But it's irrelevant. His plants are stated to be working as offensive and defensive weapons, Usopp who utilizes his weapons at it's finest should be capable of pulling it off with ease. Regarding Low 7-B attacks argument, you should know better than anyone that we naturally assume that a said character who possess defensive abilities to protect himself from a tier equal or lesser than himself.
So, lemme ask you this what's more likely a possibly downgrade for a said character or someone whose abilities resolved around scientifically weapons that far faster than himself
Except they’re plants vs piercing ammunition. Her shots tore through Deku’s Mid Gauntlet, which handles the recoil of his Low 7-B attacks with ease. She is not the one found wanting in the AP department, she should be fully capable of sniping through his plants and hitting him. Unless there’s a specific plant he has that can deflect her shots and won’t just get pierced through or curved around by her initial volley of shots, any further actions for Usopp don’t matter because he’s getting hit.
Depends on the verse, who is debating it, what the feats are and what the verses accept. That’s a case by case thing.
Me too. I’m tired. Goodnight.
Again, i disagree with you magical plants vs piercing ammunition, magical plants are infinitely superior to what you are suggesting, especially the impact wolf is capable of absorbing the bullet (the name is pretty self-explanatory, it's made of the same material as skypia impact dial which could absorb Luffy's attacks) so naturally it is capable of stopping the bullet, though the plants are Low 7-B, i don't think she will easily get pass through them.
His plants will block her initial attack. The issue here is, her lack of versatility and the knowledge he has on her (Having intel on the person literally means he knows how she can curve her bullets in that scenario, the only thing he doesn't know is her ability to fly. The OP specifically said that Usopp doesn't know her ability to fly, but knows the others prior to the battle), Usopp who never underestimates anyone and always prepares himself for any worst-case scenarios, will try to protect himself in order to survive. And what's the worst-case scenario in this scenario? her ability to curve her bullets and hit him directly, Usopp always assuming the worst enables him to come up with a strategy to counter this ability.
Regarding your rapid fires multiple shots argument, why are you not taking into consideration that Usopp will simply use his plants as sacrifices to dodge her bullets, Also, why would she assume he will survive her initial shoot? before you say she's a professional sniper or something like that even for her it's possible to make mistakes and underestimating her foes. Her attacks pierce, the Impact wolf is made of shockwave generation it's 3x stronger than a normal impact dial. Assuming it's just a plant that can be pierced with ease is ridiculous, as her bullet doesn't count literal shockwave disguised in a plant wolf.
Anyways, i'm entirely disinterested in this debate anymore, i disagree with you and you disagree with me. This thread is already past 200+, we won't be able to change our opinions because even the first scenario is pure speculations and assumptions, you are claiming Usopp will die and i am claiming he won't die. In the end, we are unnecessarily dragging this out, that were my last words. Anyways, goodnight for real.
I could write another 5 paragraph rebuttal but I really am not about it anymore. I’m going to sleep and if anyone wants to continue, I’ll address all these points again and keep going, but I’m praying we just get inconclusive and go on about our lives. 267 posts isn’t healthy.
I already saw that and it doesn’t change my stance, nor does it affect my actual argument. Now let me sleep.
Ok
Or, better argument
7 for Usopp, 10 for Nagant, 2 for incon.
