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Undertale: Tsundere Plane Downgrade

The six humans after Chara and prior to Frisk are of unknown power, on their own. Humans vary greatly in power, and they don't usually have Frisk's level. Frisk is an anomaly.

The reason NEO scales to possibly tier 2 is that Alphys knew full well what the strongest humans were capable of, and NEO was built to erradicate any and all humans, which would require him being capable of that level of power.
 
I think it's fine to go ahead and do this now. these UT threads dragging on for no reason is getting ridiculous.
 
In agreement with Aizen. There's no point in holding this crap out for so long as something like this might get brought up again either way.
 
I can unlock him.

Now as for whoever will those like the ones that are scaled to Papyrus? Well.....gonna have to figure that out, yeah.
 
Tsunderplane and similarly strong monsters=Small Town (duh)

Papyrus and similarly strong monsters=Unknown, possibly MCB+

Undyne=At least Small Town+

Toriel, Mettaton NEO and Asgore=At least Town level

Frisk=I think it's pretty clear Frisk's Determination (the drive to change fate and do the impossible) equalizes them to their opponent up to Multiverse level+, so "Wall level+ in base, equalizes to opponent up to Multiverse level+ with Determination" (Don't believe fully in Multiversal Undertale, but that's for another thread)

etc

Thoughts?
 
I was specifcally asking for those around Papyrus's level but nobody thinks that way here either, it seems. Whatever, it doesn't matter.

Does anybody fine HIT's suggestion good enough? If not, what else would y'all like to do on that? But if good, then we can make the changes. The sooner we finish this, the better for everybody to not rage any more than it already has happened here.
 
Where's the scaling for the Wall levels at, btw? Cause you might want to scale Moldsmal to whatever it's stats is around to....
 
Froggit is 4, Moldsmal is 7 (waterfall ver), 6 when checked, and 4 at Ruins. But here its 6 normal, 12 at waterfall for some reason....
 
It might outdated but i can't really confirm that for ya, SD. In any case, i think we're supposed to go by the statistics the UT wiki updates on for theirs so in this case, and unless somebody counters on why they should stay this way, Moldsmal should be downgraded then...
 
Don't use the files stats. Use the CHECK stats. With using the game files stats we have shit like 10 ATK Asriel and Asgore = Random Enemies.
 
If I go by file stats, we get 6 from the UT wiki. But I still don't know where our 12 comes from...
 
The 12 is the stat that pops out when CHECKING the Moldsmal from Waterfall. They are "a bit stronger" than normal ones.
 
i see, but how come the UT wiki doesn't state that?

@Cross yes, although i havent checked all the profiles yet
 
The UT wiki is inconsistent af. It sometimes takes the files stats or the Check stats. As a matter of fact the files stats doesn't change between normal and Waterfall, but the CHECK stats does.
 
Quick summary of the stats

Snowdrake's mother (Capable of harming Frisk, thus Wall level) < Sans & Glad Dummy < Froggit < Ruins enemies < Napstablook < Snowdin enemies < Dogs < Papyrus < Waterfall enemies < Hotland enemies (Tsundereplane) < Royal Guards, Mettaton, Mad Dummy < Core enemies < Muffet < Mettaton EX < Undyne < Asgore & Toriel < NEO < Undying.
 
Alright, although a quick question since I decided to also do the Moldbygg and Moldessa profiles, why is the Durability so much higher than the AP?
 
So, are we going with the stat changes I proposed in my post above, or do we have any new proposals in mind? The stats I listed above are listed here:

Lina Shields said:
Seeing that Tsunderplane has Small Town level attack potency, to scale the rest of the monsters listed above.

Attack Potency: Wall level
Click to expand...
 
You have the right idea for all the ones I didn't cover

But I think my proposed tiers are more resonably conservative
 
In any case, your proposed tiering for the monsters do not cover all the monsters that I have listed in the proposal in my post above.

I would like you to list your proposed tiering changes to the format that I posted above so I can make the proper changes.

Edit: I am editing the current UT profiles according to HIT's suggestions. If anyone has any issues with the tiering revision, please speak now.
 
Alright so SD has done the Wall level characters, now Lina is willing to do the rest based on HIT's suggestion as he said above. It'd be preferable if nobody does them except for Lina.
 
Edited all the profiles

Also, based on SD's edit of Moldsmal, Papyrus stays where he is ("Low 7-C") in regards to tiering.

Edit: It seems that all of the profiles we have for UT have been edited according to suggestions. If there are any errors in regards to tiering edits listed in the thread, do let me know.
 
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