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Hasn't Vulkin's lightning been proven to be fake in many prior CRTs due to how these bolts don't behave like actual lightning?
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Undertale MHS+
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The main reason was "Outlier" (lol), no 8-C and people ganging on me for Charmander.
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No, the only reason it is not used is because of 8-C iirc
Otherwise it even once got accepted onto the profiles at one point.
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It was one of the reasons, some calc group members don't think small cartoony clouds really qualify
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Pizza Tower.
Eden_Warlock99
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They disagree with that too, duh
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They should make a downgrade for it, then.
ShionAH
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So in Undertale we have Vulkins who create clouds and shoot lightings from them, this is supported by these:
- by him saying “Thunder!” right before doing his lightning attacks
- It comes from a cloud
- Undertale having many 9-A to 9-A+ feats and some feats that are even Tier 8-C to 8-B.
- We also know in Undertale Magic are actual elements which is shown to us when Toriel manipulates Fire or Papyrus creates actual Bones.
- Even though I hate whataboutism I also want to say some other verses like Pizza Tower use similar cartoonish clouds to say its real lighting
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Eden_Warlock99
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Ya need to get the Knight Knight feat accepted and scaled to Vulkin first
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Anything between 18 and Asgore is the same value tho rn.
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@Agnaa @Dark-Carioca @Dalesean027
What do you think about this? You participated in the original blog post discussion.
What do you think about this? You participated in the original blog post discussion.
ShionAH
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Arguments are here
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I actually didn't participate other than saying to not take out of context discord screenshots of me as proof for arguments on wiki. I'm not really familiar with the verses scaling or arguments here on the wiki@Agnaa @Dark-Carioca @Dalesean027
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The thing is, the reason why that feat worked was because the lightning fired was akin to real lightning, being that it was in a streak and coming from a cloud. Vulkin's feat doesn't work because the lightning fired was in omnidirectional minibolts which isn't what lightning is supposed to look like.
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Sure sure but this is supposed to be danmaku and we have actual statements of it being lighting by the game itself, its much more concrete proof than theother feat
… I dont think I need explain why this would be double standarts o reject UT for lol
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Vulkin's lightning also comes from a cloud, but the lightning it fires is too unnatural to the point where it can't be real.
ShionAH
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It is literally the same shape, Vulkin then support this by saying Thunder which come before Lighting.
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My issue here lies on the fact that not only magic is supposed to 1:1 mimic what it supposed to recreate, due to this note:
- Vulkin's electricity and Knight Knight's meteors were accepted as valid due to monster magic being showcased multiple times to be the same as their real counterparts, such as the fire magic from Toriel and Pyrope working as real fire, Sans and Papyrus' bones being actual ones or Mettaton using actual electricity from his core due to him being a robot.
Plus if Toriel can manipulate fire (which shouldn't come as balls after all), what stops Vulkin from being the same?
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I'm more or less on the same boat as Dale above.
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You should temporairly close this thread, as right now we're discussing a 8-B upgrade for the verse too, which will affect this revision.@Agnaa @Dark-Carioca @Dalesean027
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ShionAH
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but why? It can stay open
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Idk man, the 8-B thing I think will matter here.
ShionAH
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Yeah I guess but it seems like the disagreements comes from the visual rather than 8-C?
Idk I am fine with closing it if needed
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The main reason for the downgrade was that, visuals didn't really matter much tbh.
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Alright, so now that 8-B is back to the table, I think this is worth to bring back.
Now Vulkin is 8-B, meaning that he meets the criteria now.
I still need a counter to this.
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I suppose that makes sense, but considering how Agnaa had issues with it IIRC, I'll remain neutral for now.
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Agnaa could have replied to this thread if he cared enough about it, as he was indeed online multiple times after being pinged from Ant here.
Aka we can go on without him ig.
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Bump
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Do I do a new thread for this? This one is dead as hell rn.
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I’m doing one right now
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