UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

[StrymULTRA]

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Ok lil' bro. I'll make this super clear so that I'll avoid being needessly pissed off.

You can check the Note 2 of this for all the proofs of the Player existing in-verse. If you disagree, just make a CRT, or stfu. Thank you.

 

[omegabronic]

Ok lil' bro. I'll make this super clear so that I'll avoid being needessly pissed off.

You can check the Note 2 of this for all the proofs of the Player existing in-verse. If you disagree, just make a CRT, or stfu. Thank you.

WHile true, i can't help but wonder what is Chara's relationship with Frisk when the player isn't involved......but i suppose we will never know

 

[StrymULTRA]

WHile true, i can't help but wonder what is Chara's relationship with Frisk when the player isn't involved......but i suppose we will never know

The thing is that Frisk is always our puppet, as the Player is a core part of them.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Frisk is independent of us after Pacifist tho

 

[StrymULTRA]

Frisk is independent of us after Pacifist tho

If you disagree, just make a CRT, or stfu. Thank you.

I am not engaging in a debate over this for the n-th time.

I'll just say that Flowey's speech objectively disproves it, other than the fact that Frisk also forgets due to our TRUE RESET as said in the Player's profile.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

I don't think Flowey was talking to a Player controlled Frisk when addressing us in his speech. The Player is stuck in the Underground or something if I had to guess.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I don't think Flowey was talking to a Player controlled Frisk when addressing us, the Player is stuck on the Underground or something if I had to guess.

This is strawmanning. Nobody ever told that Flowey was talking to a "Player-controlled Frisk", just to the former, literally how 4th wall breaking characters just look at the screen and talk with us.

How did you even got this conclusion...?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

So Post-Pacifist Frisk is not Player controlled, yes.

 

[StrymULTRA]

So Post-Pacifist Frisk is not Player controlled, yes.

This... does not mean anything however. Post-Pacifist Frisk is not freed from our control, we just don't see them anymore because the story ended, like we don't "control" the MC of games after that the story ends because we don't have anything to do in the game anymore.

We can take control of them again anytime with the TRUE RESET, something that indeed does affect also them.

Tho I don't get you pointing it out, what's exactly the purpose?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

I meant that while the Player can regain control, Post-Pacifist Frisk ultimately does become their own person and are capable of making their own choices independently of us.
So technically speaking we aren't a "core part" of Frisk.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Ok lil' bro. I'll make this super clear so that I'll avoid being needessly pissed off.

You can check the Note 2 of this for all the proofs of the Player existing in-verse. If you disagree, just make a CRT, or stfu. Thank you.

Player? I'm talking about in general.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Player? I'm talking about in general.

Nah nah you clearly have complained about the Player being a thing here multiple times, I know what you meant here.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Nah nah you clearly have complained about the Player being a thing here multiple times, I know what you meant here.

Literally most Deltarune theories are fanon.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Aren't all theories fanon?

 

[omegabronic]

The thing is that Frisk is always our puppet, as the Player is a core part of them.

But they still have a personality of their own

All we have is Chara talking to the Player, never to Frisk, which is why i expressed my curiosity on how they would interact

that is if you don't believe Nara Chara theory, because if so they kind of interact

 

[StrymULTRA]

Aren't all theories fanon?

Nah. Some of them are ended up being confirmed, remember "Stanford" having a twin? That was controversial back then.

Same with Vegito eventually coming back in DBS.

 

[omegabronic]

Aren't all theories fanon?

"What is a theory? A miserable little pile of speculation"
- Some Vampire probably

 

[Imaginym]

"Gets defeated by m__o I guess"? Did Toby censor an important name?

"I was given the broad theme of "cyber world" and told to pretty much just design whatever I wanted, expecting only a handful to actually make it in. I made all of these within a couple days, just making whatever came to my mind."
Toby was GIVEN the theme? So, he maybe didn't plan to design the Dark Worlds around entertainment? Is someone else helping him craft their themes?

"Painter, would basically be like Adeleine but with crude ms paint effects, especially the airbrush."

This would've been neat to see. Also, I wonder if that means Toby has some history with the airbrush, lol?

""Data", little icon like creatures who march onwards with unknown purpose. they take part in the festival."

There was planned to be a festival in Chapter 2? Or would they be brought to Castle Town & the festival happens there??

"Masked Dancers, they participate in the festival, each colour has a different movement pattern and dance style. very rough concept"

More implications of Chapter 2 Festival.
Or was it because there is/was meant to be a festival in Chapter 2? Was this why Cyber City had fireworks & a ferris wheel?

"Chess also drew Berdly's original Dark World sprite.

(... And provided an option for his Dark World outfit to just be him with an extra shirt pocket...)"

This is hilarious to me. Never doubt the potential of extra storage space!
"There, that's a good chunk of the most interesting concept art!

Perhaps in the future I can show you the messy leftovers that aren't included here...!

Thanks for looking!"

Oh so there's more concept art yet to be seen.


"After creating UNDERTALE, one of my goals for DELTARUNE was for players to finally be able to challenge a "real" version of Mettaton NEO that didn't just end in one turn. For that purpose, I actually created a few music mockups for an extended version of Power of NEO.

There's even another one from 2016 (lol)

… Unfortunately, try I might, I could never create a full-length version of the song that I was satisfied with. Eventually, the boss concept evolved to involve Spamton, and with that, the music changed as well.

I still like the last half of the song. The guitar section was inspired by Brandish's song "Ending 2". All of it is pretty placeholder though.

It's still fun to imagine fighting something to this... Though, if I was given another opportunity to extend POWER OF NEO, I would probably do something different."


Toby wasn't satisfied with the music, so we haven't gotten Mettaton Neo & got Spamton instead. Kinda disappointing in a way.

Anyone not working on localization, console porting, or fixes, is now working on Chapter 5. This will be the main focus for us moving forward.

I'm really excited to see this Chapter get made!

Maybe soon we'll get Chapter 5 teasers, lol.

The image from the section about Chapter 4 is interesting, too:

Why would this exist? It's fully sprited, with a background. Like it's taken out of context.
The background has giant presents, but Noelle is in her light world clothes, suggesting this is a party with really high-class gifts.

Is this something to do with the mansion intruder? No way Noelle's birthday is around this time, right?

Heck, it's weird in combination with the rainy day image we saw for Chapter 4. Does Chapter 4 involve Kris & Susie going through the rain to some party place where Noelle will be but then it's surprisingly dark & creepy?

& Chapter 5's image is a moving balloon. Is 1 of them about like, a birthday party & then the other's about the town festival?



Re-asking this stuff because I'm interested in it & it feels like a lot of it got drowned out. Sorry for any bother, all.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Toby Fox either:

1. REALLY wants to make a sequel to Undertale

2. REALLY wants to replace it culturally with Deltarune

 

[Imaginym]

Was pondering the Oblivion Theory, & a curiousity came to mind.

Doesn't the birdcage's flavor text & appearance imply it's old? Yet its purpose is seemingly only to hold the SOUL. Maybe to try & get rid of it. Tear it out, send it away, it somehow comes back?

If the player doesn't belong, & the SOUL is the player, then why does Kris have that birdcage? What was the birdcage used for before? Or does the SOUL belong to Kris?
Feels kind of like a contradiction.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Was pondering the Oblivion Theory, & a curiousity came to mind.

Doesn't the birdcage's flavor text & appearance imply it's old? Yet its purpose is seemingly only to hold the SOUL. Maybe to try & get rid of it. Tear it out, send it away, it somehow comes back?

If the player doesn't belong, & the SOUL is the player, then why does Kris have that birdcage? What was the birdcage used for before? Or does the SOUL belong to Kris?
Feels kind of like a contradiction.

It was probably a birdcage before Kris put his SOUL in it.

 

[Imaginym]

It was probably a birdcage before Kris put his SOUL in it.

You mean for a previously unmentioned pet bird?

If so, why would they be sending it on crash courses in a wagon?!
(No offense meant.)

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I did this.

 

[omegabronic]

I did this.

I don't get it

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I don't get it

I asked a mod to rename it that’s why.
Here is a new link.