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Ulquiorra vs Lucifero

Does soul crush work on those equal to you? Not to be that guy but Orihime and Uryu were feeling Ulq’s alien like sp and weren’t killed, then they get closer and can move and stand around both Ulq and Vasto Ichigo so where’s this notion soul crush is passive when people inferior to them don’t get crushed?
 
Arkenis said:
Does soul crush work on those equal to you? Not to be that guy but Orihime and Uryu were feeling Ulq’s alien like sp and weren’t killed, then they get closer and can move and stand around both Ulq and Vasto Ichigo so where’s this notion soul crush is passive when people inferior to them don’t get crushed?
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They have Resistance to soul crush 😐
Naeblis495 said:
Yammy wasn't in battle mode , so his reiatsu was confined around him and supressed. When he came close to Tatsuki , who have higher resistance than the regular human , she was dying , and yammy didn't even want to do that.
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There are multiple cases where characters getting crushed by mere presence.
 
Isn't that a strength based thing? Because so far, I've never seen soul crush working on stronger opponents
 
Naeblis495 said:
Yammy wasn't in battle mode , so his reiatsu was confined around him and supressed. When he came close to Tatsuki , who have higher resistance than the regular human , she was dying , and yammy didn't even want to do that.
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You do realize that Lucifero’s battle mode is exerting his aura right?
 
So his type 9 immortality isn't actually going to be helpful even if Ulquiorra doesn't have Holy/Unholy Manipulation?
 
Epsilon_R said:
Isn't that a strength based thing? Because so far, I've never seen soul crush working on stronger opponents
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If that is strength based why didn't Orihime died ? She is not a god tier character in Arrancar Arc. She can do fine by standing Beside multiple Espadas. Also it works on Reastu based not because of strong or weak. It's about Aura exhibition and how much opponent has Resistance to it.
 
Spilxson2 said:
So his type 9 immortality isn't actually going to be helpful even if Ulquiorra doesn't have Holy/Unholy Manipulation?
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As I said immortality type 9 is useless unless main Body can endlessly send an avatar to replace it. But that's not the case here.
 
Wasn't there a scene where Aizen killed some guy in Karakura town then Ichigo's high school friends were perfectly fine being close to him but still had to run away?
 
Arkenis said:
I think he held his sp back
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Then why didn't he just release it since he was tired of chasing them to kill them?

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EldemadeDityjon said:
Also it works on Reastu based not because of strong or weak. It's about Aura exhibition and how much opponent has Resistance to it.
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Do you have scans or something? Because from the outside perspective, it's just like you can only crush people with far weaker aura than you
 
Okay so what is stopping Ulquiorra from getting instantly crushed in Lucifero’s presence?
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
Okay so what is stopping Ulquiorra from getting instantly crushed in Lucifero’s presence?
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Probably just soul crushing I guess? Maybe it's Incon because it's just 2 edgelords who crush people that are close to them
 
Arkenis said:
For those superior to them? W scaling
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It's a Aura(Reastu) based Abilities which directly affects the soul. In bleach most of the people has Soul Manipulation Resistance on layers. Quincies completely lacks Aura and they can still stay alive Against these types of characters who can exhibit aura.

If it's only based on strength Chad and Orihime would have long dead and Ichigo friends too.
Epsilon_R said:
Do you have scans or something? Because from the outside perspective, it's just like you can only crush people with far weaker aura than you
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Quincies has zero Reastu (aura) output they can still stay alive. It's not about weaker aura or something. If that's the case they should die in an instant. It's about Soul Manipulation Resistance agaisnt characters who exhibits this.

Scans are already in the Profile Soul physiology page.
 
If both of their presences just crush things then I might vote Inconclusive
 
Naeblis495 said:
Yammy wasn't in battle mode , so his reiatsu was confined around him and supressed. When he came close to Tatsuki , who have higher resistance than the regular human , she was dying , and yammy didn't even want to do that.
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Was that Tatsuki resisting soul crushing or Tatsuki feeling tired/drained after surviving Yammy's attempt to suck everyone's souls out
 
Bleach characters whole arsenal reduced to soul crush. hate to see it. Anyway, Luci FRA.
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
What sort of argument is this? If I have a knife and I never killed someone with it does that mean I can’t kill someone?
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Aura has different properties. His Aura has shown to crush the opponent on the level of they are sticking to ground. We never seen him or Dante who has same powers killing someone with their presence.

You don't grant something which never displayed. Unless it's a common ability under physiology or someone who can use same power did that.
 
Arkenis said:
Bleach characters whole arsenal reduced to soul crush. hate to see it. Anyway, Luci FRA.
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Hopefully this is a matchup where the Bleach character doesn't just win with soul crushing. Vote counted
 
Also for a fact Lucifero wouldn't even sensing or seeing Ulquiora
  • Enhanced invisibility (Tatsuki can clearly see[13] normal souls but can only see Numb Chandelier[14] as a blurred figure, actually she says she can't see it so the blur might just be for the readers, this also happens to Ichigo[15] as a child, being able to see Fishbone D's lure but not his main[15] body, and Yuzu, who can only see[16] souls as a blur, being completely incapable[17] of seeing Grand Fisher, This is supported by Grand Fisher being impressed[17] by Karin's ability to see his main body despite the fact she'd shown the ability[15] to see and hear his lure body)
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Spilxson2 said:
Was that Tatsuki resisting soul crushing or Tatsuki feeling tired/drained after surviving Yammy's attempt to suck everyone's souls out
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Tatsuki has some resistance to Soul manipulation. She survived yammy’s gonzui but she was passively getting her Soul crushed By yammy being next to her when he wasn’t in battle mode theres layers to it. Lucifero has no resistances to Soul Manipulation from what I see on his profile.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Aura has different properties. His Aura has shown to crush the opponent on the level of they are sticking to ground. We never seen him or Dante who has same powers killing someone with their presence.

You don't grant something which never displayed. Unless it's a common ability under physiology or someone who can use same power did that.
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My brother in Christ Lucifero’s Aura is fundamentally sheer gravity pressure. It doesn’t matter if it didn’t kill people who amped up their strength to withstand it or used law and fate manipulation to evade it or nullify it’s effect on themselves. Ulquiorra ******* dies.
 
Arkenis said:
Bleach characters whole arsenal reduced to soul crush. hate to see it. Anyway, Luci FRA.
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EldemadeDityjon said:
Aura has different properties. His Aura has shown to crush the opponent on the level of they are sticking to ground. We never seen him or Dante who has same powers killing someone with their presence.

You don't grant something which never displayed. Unless it's a common ability under physiology or someone who can use same power did that.
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So we granting Lucifero some new Abilities out of nowhere?
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Aura has different properties. His Aura has shown to crush the opponent on the level of they are sticking to ground. We never seen him or Dante who has same powers killing someone with their presence.

You don't grant something which never displayed. Unless it's a common ability under physiology or someone who can use same power did that.
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You don't seem to understand how gravity works. If the force is greater than something Ulq can withstand he's getting crushed by it.
 
KINGWILLTHEGREAT0815 said:
Tatsuki has some resistance to Soul manipulation. She survived yammy’s gonzui but she was passively getting her Soul crushed By yammy being next to her when he wasn’t in battle mode theres layers to it. Lucifero has no resistances to Soul Manipulation from what I see on his profile.
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Wait what?

Resisting Soul Absorption and Resisting Soul Destruction are 2 completely different things. Why would you make a layer from it?
 
KINGWILLTHEGREAT0815 said:
then put them against a character who has layered resistances to Soul manipulation and you won’t have these issues.
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I don't know where to find any characters like that. Closest thing to that was Metal Sonic (he's 4-A so he can't really be in a matchup without one shotting the Bleach character) and OK K.O. (who can survive with his soul being sucked out of his body but apparently he can only be used if there's proof he can survive even if his soul is completely destroyed)
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Also for a fact Lucifero wouldn't even sensing or seeing Ulquiora
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First of all In black clover everyone can see souls but can’t see people who use permeation magic. Yami and Asta’s senses can see permeation magic but can’t sense Nacht’s shadow magic. Lucifero can sense Nacht’s shadow magic but can’t sense him when it’s enhanced with ManaZone

So Lucifero is good lol.
 
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