Two Space-Time Shattering Protagonists Go At It (Redo)

[WeeklyBattles]

I like the implication that Ryuko is just going to stand there and tank the kamehameha rather than redirect it like she does with every energy attack she fights against in the series

 

[BluudyManikin777]

That's assuming that goku doesn't immediately notice that ryuko is getting stronger from regen and switch to the kamehameha immediately, and Ki attacks obliterate up to mid high regen which is way higher than ryuko's regen and a being like majin buu whose regen is superior to high mid (mid high) died and couldn't recover from getting attacked by the spirit bomb, also gohan obliterated every cell in cells body when cell was literally on the same PL as him during the beam clash which further prove that even equal opponents can obliterate each other with a charged ki attack. I feel like I've addressed all the points clearly and don't really find any reason to continue further, so I still go with goku.

Energy waves don’t completely obliterate other characters who are on par with them. And as you pointed out, Goku would eventually realize it wouldn’t work, but by the time he does, Ryuko would’ve already caught up to him, therefore being capable of handling the Kamehameha. And Dragon Ball character’s regeneration doesn’t take place as quick as Ryuko. She instantaneously regenerates when she’s damaged. Also, Cell was literally hit with twice the force of his attack; he was hit with his attack being overpowered being directed back to him, along with Gohan’s Kamehameha. So really, Cell was taking the force of two Kamehameha

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I like the implication that Ryuko is just going to stand there and tank the kamehameha rather than redirect it like she does with every energy attack she fights against in the series

We already went over that.

Energy waves don’t completely obliterate other characters who are on par with them. And as you pointed out, Goku would eventually realize it wouldn’t work, but by the time he does, Ryuko would’ve already caught up to him, therefore being capable of handling the Kamehameha. And Dragon Ball character’s regeneration doesn’t take place as quick as Ryuko. She instantaneously regenerates when she’s damaged. Also, Cell was literally hit with twice the force of his attack; he was hit with his attack being overpowered being directed back to him, along with Gohan’s Kamehameha. So really, Cell was taking the force of two Kamehameha

You're assuming she'd catch up and you aren't taking into account that 1. you don't know how long it takes for her to actually catch up 2. and that goku wouldn't immediately stop using physicals and switch to the kamehameha once he realizes that she's getting stronger and regening everything.
No that isn't how beam clashes work, the weaker attack gets overpowered and destroyed and the stronger attack hits, so cell was hit with a kamehameha by gohan who was roughly equal to him while weakened and that attack was charged was able to completely obliterate cell who was better regen than ryuko, and don't give that "she'd regen while taking damage", every part of her body would start getting atomized while inside the kamehameha which is way beyond the regen she has.
Also please count my vote.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

We already went over that.

You're assuming she'd catch up and you aren't taking into account that 1. you don't know how long it takes for her to actually catch up 2. and that goku wouldn't immediately stop using physicals and switch to the kamehameha once he realizes that she's getting stronger and regening everything.
No that isn't how beam clashes work, the weaker attack gets overpowered and destroyed and the stronger attack hits, so cell was hit with a kamehameha by gohan who was roughly equal to him while weakened and that attack was charged was able to completely obliterate cell who was better regen than ryuko, and don't give that "she'd regen while taking damage", every part of her body would start getting atomized while inside the kamehameha which is way beyond the regen she has.
Also please count my vote.

It’s kind of an inconsistent thing. Cell gets obliterated by someone who he is equal with, and Kefla doesn’t get obliterated by someone who is superior to her. So, we’re assuming the latest thing; characters don’t get completely obliterated by the Kamehameha, since it’s what has been going on lately in Dragon Ball. So even if she was hit by it, she would be damaged, but she can still regenerate after being hit by it. There are more instances in the ToP where characters don’t fall out the ring, than actually getting eliminated by it. Ryuko and Goku aren’t really that far apart in AP, so it is very possible for Ryuko to catch up to Goku. I counted the vote for Ryuko because it seemed like people weren’t arguing back, and I stand corrected, it is still going on. I will uncount all votes, until we can all agree on a very likely outcome, but as it stands, it seems there isn’t a nigh-universal agreement on anything

 

[VinnyXD]

It’s kind of an inconsistent thing. Cell gets obliterated by someone who he is equal with,

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[Orange]

It’s kind of an inconsistent thing. Cell gets obliterated by someone who he is equal with, and Kefla doesn’t get obliterated by someone who is superior to her. So, we’re assuming the latest thing; characters don’t get completely obliterated by the Kamehameha, since it’s what has been going on lately in Dragon Ball. So even if she was hit by it, she would be damaged, but she can still regenerate after being hit by it. There are more instances in the ToP where characters don’t fall out the ring, than actually getting eliminated by it. Ryuko and Goku aren’t really that far apart in AP, so it is very possible for Ryuko to catch up to Goku. I counted the vote for Ryuko because it seemed like people weren’t arguing back, and I stand corrected, it is still going on. I will uncount all votes, until we can all agree on a very likely outcome, but as it stands, it seems there isn’t a nigh-universal agreement on anything

Ummm goku wasn't trying to obliterate Kefla, if he did he would've lost the tournament ya know.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

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Didn’t you read the whole thing. I said it’s inconsistent because there are times when characters who are equal get obliterated, and characters who are weaker do not get completely obliterated

 

[VinnyXD]

Yeah Goku and Kelfa weren't that far apart he was trying to push her off.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Ummm goku wasn't trying to obliterate Kefla, if he did he would've lost the tournament ya know.

Yeah, Jiren used a very powerful blast against Goku and there’s nothing suggesting he was suppressing himself that hard, both were struggling against each other. Goku didn’t get obliterated by that

 

[VinnyXD]

Didn’t you read the whole thing. I said it’s inconsistent because there are times when characters who are equal get obliterated, and characters who are weaker do not get completely obliterated

Yeah what are you talking when it comes to Cell.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Yeah Goku and Kelfa weren't that far apart he was trying to push her off.

Goku can try to push off Ryuko, and while she’s getting hit by it, she’d be evolving. Eventually being able to close to the gap between the attack and her durability, essentially being able to eventually push it back. But this depends on where in the field this takes place in: If it’s anywhere near the edge, Ryuko wouldn’t have enough time to evolve and overcome the kamehameha, and just fall off. If it’s anywhere in the middle or close, then Ryuko may have the time to evolve and overcome it

 

[VinnyXD]

Goku can try to push off Ryuko, and while she’s getting hit by it, she’d be evolving. Eventually being able to close to the gap between the attack and her durability, essentially being able to eventually push it back. But this depends on where in the field this takes place in: If it’s anywhere near the edge, Ryuko wouldn’t have enough time to evolve and overcome the kamehameha, and just fall off. If it’s anywhere in the middle or close, then Ryuko may have the time to evolve and overcome it

IT also makes it easier

 

[BluudyManikin777]

IT also makes it easier

It more so depends on where Ryuko is, because even when Goku ITs towards her location, it depends on how close she is to the edge. If he ITs toward her while she’s somewhere around the middle, she’d purposely take it, and continuously evolve while she gets hit by it

 

[Orange]

Yeah, Jiren used a very powerful blast against Goku and there’s nothing suggesting he was suppressing himself that hard, both were struggling against each other. Goku didn’t get obliterated by that

Yes, they were constantly holding back in order not to kill each other, because if they didn't , goku would've died in the first meeting between them. It's literally in the rules, they couldn't obliterated each other, out of fear of getting eased.

 

[VinnyXD]

It more so depends on where Ryuko is, because even when Goku ITs towards her location, it depends on how close she is to the edge. If he ITs toward her while she’s somewhere around the middle, she’d purposely take it, and continuously evolve while she gets hit by it

You think she's gonna evolve while getting hit. While Goku himself is getting stronger and can still boost the blast

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Yes, they were constantly holding back in order not to kill each other, because if they didn't , goku would've died in the first meeting between them. It's literally in the rules, they couldn't obliterated each other, out of fear of getting eased.

Even so, if she was slowly getting deconstructed by the Kamehameha, her supernatural willpower would allow her to feel little to no pain from it, and keep continuously push it back. And while she gets slowly destroyed, she will also evolve while this goes on. So, as long as she survives long enough for her to be able to overpower it, she should be fine

 

[BluudyManikin777]

You think she's gonna evolve while getting hit. While Goku himself is getting stronger and can still boost the blast

It’s been shown to be after each attack. The Kamehameha is a singular attack, this attack making him more powerful than he was previously, but he’s not continuously attacking with this, as it is a wave, so he doesn’t get stronger in the middle of the wave being fire. And he does get tired if he uses this for too long, especially in UIO, where his stamina isn’t exactly the best. So Ryuko can evolve to become stronger, the more she deconstructs, and as long as she survives this attack long enough for her to evolve to overcome it, she should be fine

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

It’s kind of an inconsistent thing. Cell gets obliterated by someone who he is equal with, and Kefla doesn’t get obliterated by someone who is superior to her. So, we’re assuming the latest thing; characters don’t get completely obliterated by the Kamehameha, since it’s what has been going on lately in Dragon Ball. So even if she was hit by it, she would be damaged, but she can still regenerate after being hit by it. There are more instances in the ToP where characters don’t fall out the ring, than actually getting eliminated by it. Ryuko and Goku aren’t really that far apart in AP, so it is very possible for Ryuko to catch up to Goku. I counted the vote for Ryuko because it seemed like people weren’t arguing back, and I stand corrected, it is still going on. I will uncount all votes, until we can all agree on a very likely outcome, but as it stands, it seems there isn’t a nigh-universal agreement on anything

They weren't allowed to kill in the tournament... bruh.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

They weren't allowed to kill in the tournament... bruh.

Okay, that was an old point, newer points were brought up in response to the counter argument for that

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Okay, that was an old point, newer points were brought up in response to the counter argument for that

She isn't surviving a kamehameha mate... even if she catches up. You said she needs to heal to get stronger, she isn't healing or regenerating anything while every part of her body is getting atomized.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

She isn't surviving a kamehameha mate... even if she catches up. You said she needs to heal to get stronger, she isn't healing or regenerating anything while every part of her body is getting atomized.

Yeah she isn’t surviving it if she just stands there, but her Supernatural Willpower will be enough to let her survive for a little bit longer which can likely give her the time she needs to evolve and overcome it

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Yeah she isn’t surviving it if she just stands there, but her Supernatural Willpower will be enough to let her survive for a little bit longer which can likely give her the time she needs to evolve and overcome it

No super natural willpower isn't going to make her survive any longer it's not an amp, it'll just make it a painless death bruh... Again she isn't healing while being blasted into oblivion.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

No super natural willpower isn't going to make her survive any longer it's not an amp, it'll just make it a painless death bruh... Again she isn't healing while being blasted into oblivion.

I’m not saying that. I’m saying that while she’s being slowly atomized, she can still keep going while that’s going on

 

[VinnyXD]

It’s been shown to be after each attack. The Kamehameha is a singular attack, this attack making him more powerful than he was previously, but he’s not continuously attacking with this, as it is a wave, so he doesn’t get stronger in the middle of the wave being fire. And he does get tired if he uses this for too long, especially in UIO, where his stamina isn’t exactly the best. So Ryuko can evolve to become stronger, the more she deconstructs, and as long as she survives this attack long enough for her to evolve to overcome it, she should be fine

Again it's not about destroying her but pushing her off. They can also add power to the attack while it's happening. Happens all the time especially in beam struggles

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Again it's not about destroying her but pushing her off. They can also add power to the attack while it's happening. Happens all the time especially in beam struggles

Exactly, they’ll both be pushing each other. While Goku continuously adds energy to the wave, Ryuko is going to continue getting stronger while she’s taking it, she’s going to keep trying to push it back. And here Supernatural Willpower can also be a part in helping her exceed her own limits. And she can use Reactive Evolution to adapt to a Kamehameha. In her battle with Nonon, she created a sound barrier, something that was created in the midst of battle

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I’m not saying that. I’m saying that while she’s being slowly atomized, she can still keep going while that’s going on

The attack will atomize her nearly instantly... and she's going to keep getting hit constantly from every part of her body and nothing will regenerate, basically making her not get any stronger until she dies.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

The attack will atomize her nearly instantly... and she's going to keep getting hit constantly from every part of her body and nothing will regenerate, basically making her not get any stronger until she dies.

She can still try to push it back though, she’s not just going to let that happen. Her supernatural willpower is capable of letting her exceed her own limits. Through sheer willpower, it’s possible for her to overcome it

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

This is a vs battle not some plot armor PIS friendship power BS, I have proved that equal opponents can one shot each other with charged ki blasts, even if ryuko somehow is able to catch up to goku with reactive PL she's still getting atomized the moment the beam hits. Like goku also can't exceed his fking limits bruh, that's all he was doing in the TOP bruh ultra instinct itself is called a "limit breaking" power.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

This is a vs battle not some plot armor PIS friendship power BS, I have proved that equal opponents can one shot each other with charged ki blasts, even if ryuko somehow is able to catch up to goku with reactive PL she's still getting atomized the moment the beam hits. Like goku also can't exceed his fking limits bruh, that's all he was doing in the TOP bruh ultra instinct itself is called a "limit breaking" power.

Supernatural Willpower is different. Goku can eventually exceed his own limits as the fight keeps going on. For characters with supernatural willpower, they can exceed their own limits spontaneously solely because of their strong willpower

 

[Orange]

Didn't goku went from getting blasted by a Kia to make jiren kneel or something? While she's getting stronger, he is tho thanks to his saiyan biology, UI which makes him constantly getting stronger and faster, the kamehameha which also makes him stronger. She's getting blasted

 

[Orange]

Even so, if she was slowly getting deconstructed by the Kamehameha, her supernatural willpower would allow her to feel little to no pain from it, and keep continuously push it back. And while she gets slowly destroyed, she will also evolve while this goes on. So, as long as she survives long enough for her to be able to overpower it, she should be fine

She's isn't getting slowly obliterates, it's quick, super quick, and the instant kamehameha makes it even more faster

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Didn't goku went from getting blasted by a Kia to make jiren kneel or something? While she's getting stronger, he is tho thanks to his saiyan biology, UI which makes him constantly getting stronger and faster, the kamehameha which also makes him stronger. She's getting blasted

Ryuko can spontaneously exceed her limits via Supernatural Willpower

 

[BluudyManikin777]

She's isn't getting slowly obliterates, it's quick, super quick, and the instant kamehameha makes it even more faster

She can still try to push it back, and exceed her limits to overcome it via Supernatural Willpower

 

[Orange]

Goku can exceed his limits by saiyan biology + UI. The kamehameha makes him even stronger

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Goku can exceed his limits by saiyan biology + UI. The kamehameha makes him even stronger

Reactive Power Level is nothing like Supernatural Willpower. Sure someone can evolve as they fight on via RPL, but SW can act as a way to exceed ones limits on the spot through sheer willpower. Think of RPL as walking up a staircase of limitation, and SW is leaping above a large number of steps quickly. Someone with SW is getting somewhere far quicker than someone with RPL, but they’ll eventually get there

 

[Orange]

Goku literally exceeded his limits, two to three times in a span of 40+ minutes, he fight, gets stronger and faster thanks to his zenkai ability, he will constantly get stronger by it and The UI which makes him also stronger by each passing second, he literally went from getting defeated by a kia to make jiren on his knees. His kamehameha also raises his power level

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Goku literally exceeded his limits, two to three times in a span of 40+ minutes, he fight, gets stronger and faster thanks to his zenkai ability, he will constantly get stronger by it and The UI which makes him also stronger by each passing second, he literally went from getting defeated by a kia to make jiren on his knees. His kamehameha also raises his power level

Zenkais happen right after recovering from wounds, they don’t happen in the middle of the fight. Goku had several Zenkais in the ToP. He doesn’t necessarily zenkai in the midst of battle, but he does become stronger as the fight goes on in UIO. Which can easily be overcame by Ryuko’s reactive evolution and supernatural willpower

 

[Orange]

He actually gets stronger in mindset Of the battle, thanks to his ui that is. And the kamehameha, which also raises his power level. And he will blast her, while getting blasted she us getting blasted he is getting stronger, add the boist if the kamehameha, UI which makes him significantly stronger, faster, better, sharper. He can also dodge most if her melee attacks thanks to : ki reading, air vibrations, analytical predictions, superior martial arts by an embarrassing degree, keunzan which cuts throw stronger opponents, ki mines to distract her, kamehameha, instant kamehameha to obliterate her. Shockwaves to push her back and ebe damage her to a great extent.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

He actually gets stronger in mindset Of the battle, thanks to his ui that is. And the kamehameha, which also raises his power level. And he will blast her, while getting blasted she us getting blasted he is getting stronger, add the boist if the kamehameha, UI which makes him significantly stronger, faster, better, sharper. He can also dodge most if her melee attacks thanks to : ki reading, air vibrations, analytical predictions, superior martial arts by an embarrassing degree, keunzan which cuts throw stronger opponents, ki mines to distract her, kamehameha, instant kamehameha to obliterate her. Shockwaves to push her back and ebe damage her to a great extent.

Ryuko literally has Supernatural Willpower and Reactive Evolution, so not only does she get stronger as the fight goes on, she can also exceed her limits on the spot. Also, verse isn’t equalized, Goku can’t read her energy because their energies aren’t the same. As mentioned before, Ryuko will purposely get physically beat by Goku in order to become stronger. And she has survived getting cut in half before

 

[BluudyManikin777]

With the way this thread is going, a middle ground doesn’t seem to be getting reached anytime soon. Any argument is literally being countered, and previous points continuously being brought up. This match has also shown that there are specific things this match depends on, which we cannot identify. This has even extended up to 2 full pages, at this point. There’s also a rule of Versus Threads saying “If both sides have equivalent posts with constructive arguments, the thread shall be deemed inconclusive.” So it’s either this keeps going on for several more days; keeping us from moving on to other threads, or this can be left as an inconclusive match right now