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Dragon Ball: Updated Goku's Power Mimicry Justification

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It's time to update Goku's Power Mimicry, which looks incredibly simple on his profile.
Power Mimicry (Can easily replicate other fighting techniques after seeing them once)
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At least it should look like this:
  • Son Goku (Dragon Ball)
Power Mimicry (Replicated the Kamehameha in seconds with just a glance, which took him 50 years to master, he also believed he could use his Kamehameha to fly after seeing Master Roshi do the same, allowing him to develop the technique in various unique ways. During the 21st Tenka'ichi Budōkai, Goku replicated the Afterimage Fist Technique after seeing Master Roshi use the technique, and soon after copied the Three-Fold to Many-Fold Afterimage Fist. During the 22nd Tenka'ichi Budōkai, he even used the Eight Arms Fist technique which he copied from King Chappa during the preliminaries. During the 23rd Tenka'ichi Budōkai, Goku replicated Tien Shinhan's Solar Flare technique, making him the first person outside the Tsuru-sen school to use the technique)
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  • Son Goku (Dragon Ball Z)
Power Mimicry (Replicated the Kamehameha in seconds with just a glance, which took him 50 years to master, he also believed he could use his Kamehameha to fly after seeing Master Roshi do the same, allowing him to develop the technique in various unique ways. During the 21st Tenka'ichi Budōkai, Goku replicated the Afterimage Fist Technique after seeing Master Roshi use the technique, and soon after copied the Three-Fold to Many-Fold Afterimage Fist. During the 22nd Tenka'ichi Budōkai, he even used the Eight Arms Fist technique which he copied from King Chappa during the preliminaries. During the 23rd Tenka'ichi Budōkai, Goku replicated Tien Shinhan's Solar Flare technique, making him the first person outside the Tsuru-sen school to use the technique. Even in the Fusion Saga, Goku replicated the Destructo Disc to cut Super Buu [Gotenks absorbed] in half when he returned to Earth)
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  • Son Goku (DBS Anime)
Enhanced Power Mimicry (Replicated the Kamehameha in seconds with just a glance, which took him 50 years to master, he also believed he could use his Kamehameha to fly after seeing Master Roshi do the same, allowing him to develop the technique in various unique ways. During the 21st Tenka'ichi Budōkai, Goku replicated the Afterimage Fist Technique after seeing Master Roshi use the technique, and soon after copied the Three-Fold to Many-Fold Afterimage Fist. During the 22nd Tenka'ichi Budōkai, he even used the Eight Arms Fist technique which he copied from King Chappa during the preliminaries. During the 23rd Tenka'ichi Budōkai, Goku replicated Tien Shinhan's Solar Flare technique, making him the first person outside the Tsuru-sen school to use the technique. Even in the Fusion Saga, Goku replicated the Destructo Disc to cut Super Buu [Gotenks absorbed] in half when he returned to Earth. Later in Battle of Gods, Goku was capable of analyzing and copying Beerus' fighting style, allowing him to deliver blows with the exact same force and angle as Beerus to completely cancel out the shockwaves that threatened the universe. Even in the Tournament of Power, when recruiting the Z-Fighters, Goku observed their fighting styles and strategies, allowing him to adapt and develop their tactics into his own fighting style)
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  • Son Goku (DBS Manga)
Enhanced Power Mimicry (Replicated the Kamehameha in seconds with just a glance, which took him 50 years to master, he also believed he could use his Kamehameha to fly after seeing Master Roshi do the same, allowing him to develop the technique in various unique ways. During the 21st Tenka'ichi Budōkai, Goku replicated the Afterimage Fist Technique after seeing Master Roshi use the technique, and soon after copied the Three-Fold to Many-Fold Afterimage Fist. During the 22nd Tenka'ichi Budōkai, he even used the Eight Arms Fist technique which he copied from King Chappa during the preliminaries. During the 23rd Tenka'ichi Budōkai, Goku replicated Tien Shinhan's Solar Flare technique, making him the first person outside the Tsuru-sen school to use the technique. Even in the Fusion Saga, Goku replicated the Destructo Disc to cut Super Buu [Gotenks absorbed] in half when he returned to Earth. Later in the Goku Black Saga, Goku copied Hakai, a special technique belonging solely to the Gods of Destruction, and even though Goku claimed that he messed up the technique, he still managed to replicate its effect and nearly erase God Zamasu. Even in the Granolah the Survivor Saga, Whis confirmed Goku had mimicked his ability to create illusionary duplicates)
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By the way, I left the part about Goku developing another version of the Kamehameha for later because I need to collect some, but at least the rest is enough for me.

But on the other hand, I'd really appreciate someone suggesting other feats of Goku's Power Mimicry that I accidentally missed. Thoughts?

Agree: @LuffyRuffy46307 @UnoRebaixadO @Ednaxel2 @Shar122 @LephyrTheRevanchist @Vietthai96 @Da3ggman @DarkDragonMedeus
 
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SwordLegendz01 said:
Honestly I'm confused about which version to add it in, but for Super I think it's fitting to have it, it kind of shows that Goku's Mimicry is enhanced, but in the OG I think he also deserves it, because he also developed the technique not just replicated what already existed.
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I mean if the ability is listed in his first key then it’s not an enhanced version of anything beforehand, that’s mainly how enhanced is used
 
Ew.
  1. Too wordy. Too much hyperlinking. The justification should be formatted as a list, rather than multiple sentences beginning with the same propositional phrase; and only the feats themselves should be hyperlinked—not the entire clause.
  2. Copying and expanding the previous iteration's justification is inefficient. If you need to reference the previous iteration's feats, then you can simply write in "Same as before". The focus of any given iteration's profile should be highlighting the feats original to said iteration, not relying upon the contents of the previous iteration's profile.
  3. Needs significant proofreading.
During the 23rd Tenka'ichi Budōkai, Goku blew Chi-Chi away by creating a shockwave out of the arena which Piccolo confirmed was a move used by the Demonfolk.
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He acquired the Shockwave Fist by training under Kami, whose fighting style later birthed the Demon Style through King Piccolo; even disregarding how none of the Demon Clan ever used the Shockwave Fist for Goku to be able to copy the technique, simply using a technique mastered by other characters is not proof of Mimicry.
Then, Goku replicated Tien Shinhan's Solar Flare technique, making him the only person outside the Tsuru-sen school to use the technique
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If you cannot prove DB Goku could use the Solar Flare, then the DBZ feat should only apply from DBZ Goku and onward.
Even in the Fusion Saga, Goku replicated the Destructo Disc to cut Super Buu [Gotenks absorbed] in half when he returned to Earth
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Prove he copied the Kienzan. Simply acquiring a technique off-screen is not proof of Mimicry.
Even in the Tournament of Power, when recruiting the Z-Fighters, Goku observed their fighting styles and strategies, allowing him to adapt and develop their tactics into his own fighting style
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Which is Information Analysis.
I was also wondering if we should add this Kiai Shout since it's similar to Tien Shinhan's.
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Everybody can use Kiai. Even Spopovich can use Kiai. An aura is practically Kiai.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
If you cannot prove DB Goku could use the Solar Flare, then the DBZ feat should only apply from DBZ Goku and onward.
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You should at least see the second scan, he did it, my mistake linking the two scans.
Nullflowerblush said:
Prove he copied the Kienzan. Simply acquiring a technique off-screen is not proof of Mimicry.
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Goku has never been shown learning Kienzan, assuming he imitates Krillin seems fine, even with some characters like Vegeta and Frieza being able to do it.
Nullflowerblush said:
Which is Information Analysis.
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He analyzed his friends' information and performed the same variation, it's mimicry.

The rest I think makes sense.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Crazy Fist and Monkey should not be used as examples of mimicry. The entire point is he couldn't replicate the Drunken Fist, so he invented his own as a counter. Those are examples of his combat intelligence and martial arts.

The rest is likely fine.
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Aight, Thanks!
Vietthai96 said:
Yeah, though some parts that was pointed out by Nullflowerblush except the Kienzan part, and Lephyr are also correct so you should update your OP accordingly
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Counted, Thank you.
 
SwordLegendz01 said:
You should at least see the second scan, he did it, my mistake linking the two scans.
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My mistake for not doing my due diligence, and I misreading the two hyperlinks as one.
SwordLegendz01 said:
Goku has never been shown learning Kienzan, assuming he imitates Krillin seems fine, even with some characters like Vegeta and Frieza being able to do it.
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Vegeta sees Krillin's Kienzan first-hand twice previously—when Krillin first attacked Nappa, and when Krillin tried slicing off his own tail as a Great Ape—and then instantly develops the technique. Frieza has his tail cut off by Krillin's Kienzan and even evades his Continuous Kienzan afterward, and then instantly develops the technique shortly after. Both Vegeta and Frieza are explicitly confirmed to have copied the Kienzan from Krillin. Throughout the 13-year-long Z Era, Goku has only used the Kienzan once—far removed from Krillin and after nearly seven years of non-stop training.
SwordLegendz01 said:
He analyzed his friends' information and performed the same variation, it's mimicry.
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  1. He already copied the Taiyoken.
  2. If he was using the Sokidan, he likely would have referenced Yamcha; he has previously maneuvered energy blasts (see Bending Kamehameha, see Twin Dragon Shot).
  3. Good point.
  4. Recreating another fighter's tactics using powers and techniques you already possess is not Power Mimicry; he did not copy the ability of creating landmines.
  5. Again, Information Analysis.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Vegeta sees Krillin's Kienzan first-hand twice previously—when Krillin first attacked Nappa, and when Krillin tried slicing off his own tail as a Great Ape—and then instantly develops the technique. Frieza has his tail cut off by Krillin's Kienzan and even evades his Continuous Kienzan afterward, and then instantly develops the technique shortly after. Both Vegeta and Frieza are explicitly confirmed to have copied the Kienzan from Krillin. Throughout the 13-year-long Z Era, Goku has only used the Kienzan once—far removed from Krillin and after nearly seven years of non-stop training.
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Even saying anything about training is something that doesn't actually happen. Goku never said that he trained to create Kienzan, but Goku saw someone use Kienzan several times, both Vegeta and Frieza using it. Even Daizenshuu 7 also indexed Kienzan among Goku's techniques.
Nullflowerblush said:
  1. He already copied the Taiyoken.
  2. If he was using the Sokidan, he likely would have referenced Yamcha; he has previously maneuvered energy blasts (see Bending Kamehameha, see Twin Dragon Shot).
  3. Good point.
  4. Recreating another fighter's tactics using powers and techniques you already possess is not Power Mimicry; he did not copy the ability of creating landmines.
  5. Again, Information Analysis.
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Basically, removing the Solar Flare scan doesn't change anything. It's still Information Analysis and Power Mimicry. Also for Sokidan, matching it with Bending Kamehameha is either yes or no, because Goku still retains the tip of the Kamehameha to control its direction. For landmines, Gohan did it once during a two vs two fight, Goku has seen it and did the same thing in ToP.
 
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Goku never said that he trained to create Kienzan
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Neither did Android 18, but she uses the Kienzan, and she does not even have Ki, nor is she a innate combat genius like Saiyans are. Did Goku ever say he acquired the Feet Kamehameha by training? Or the God Bind? Or Telepathy? Or did he copy mind reading from King Kai?
SwordLegendz01 said:
but Goku saw someone use Kienzan several times, both Vegeta and Frieza using it.
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Up until then, Goku could have only seen a confirmed total of one (1) Kienzans. He couldn't've seen Krillin's very first Kienzan because he had not yet arrived; he couldn't've seen Krillin's second Kienzan because he was unconscious; I doubt he could've seen Vegeta's Kienzan, given he was barely conscious, could barely even open his eyes, and likely not even within range; and he couldn't've seen any of Krillin's Kienzans during the Namek Saga because he was not currently present. Even then, Goku simply being present and seeing a technique first-hand does not automatically mean he copied the technique; otherwise, we'd give him and every other Saiyan virtually every technique shown throughout the series. Furthermore, between the War on Namek and the Majin Buu conflict is a gap of 12 years. He saw the Kienzan once 12 years ago and only copied the move then?
SwordLegendz01 said:
Even Daizenshuu 7 also indexed Kienzan among Goku's techniques.
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Yes, he can use the Kienzan. But, no, Daizenshuu 7 does not index Kienzan among Goku's techniques (unless you think an "etc." is sufficient enough), nor does the Special Attack Dictionary index Goku as a notable user of the Kienzan (unless, you think an "others" is sufficient enough).
SwordLegendz01 said:
Also for Sokidan, matching it with Bending Kamehameha is either yes or no, because Goku still retains the tip of the Kamehameha to control its direction.
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See Twin Dragon Shot (1) (2).
 
Okay, I get focusing on actually seeing the move to copy it, but it feels like a moot point when Goku (incorrectly) copied Beerus without ever seeing the move, as the only time it is utilized before than point is when Beerus erases Zamasu, and Goku was in the Future Timeline when that happened.
 
RedReaper616 said:
Okay, I get focusing on actually seeing the move to copy it, but it feels like a moot point when Goku (incorrectly) copied Beerus without ever seeing the move, as the only time it is utilized before than point is when Beerus erases Zamasu, and Goku was in the Future Timeline when that happened.
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There is a timeskip and Goku claims he saw it before and even making a comment about it.
 
I forgot about that, but also that strangely implies Trunks saw it once at some point?

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SwordLegendz01 said:
It's time to update Goku's Power Mimicry, which looks incredibly simple on his profile.


At least it should look like this:
  • Son Goku (Dragon Ball)

  • Son Goku (Dragon Ball Z)

  • Son Goku (DBS Anime)

  • Son Goku (DBS Manga)


By the way, I left the part about Goku developing another version of the Kamehameha for later because I need to collect some, but at least the rest is enough for me.

But on the other hand, I'd really appreciate someone suggesting other feats of Goku's Power Mimicry that I accidentally missed. Thoughts?

Agree: @LuffyRuffy46307 @UnoRebaixadO @Ednaxel2 @Shar122 @LephyrTheRevanchist @Vietthai96 @Da3ggman
Disagree:
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Why repeat the feats of earlier Sagas into the descritptions of the next ones? Just leave the deacritions of each Goku with the feats they have and add an "as before in addition to;", makes it less bloated
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Up until then, Goku could have only seen a confirmed total of one (1) Kienzans. He couldn't've seen Krillin's very first Kienzan because he had not yet arrived; he couldn't've seen Krillin's second Kienzan because he was unconscious; I doubt he could've seen Vegeta's Kienzan, given he was barely conscious, could barely even open his eyes, and likely not even within range; and he couldn't've seen any of Krillin's Kienzans during the Namek Saga because he was not currently present. Even then, Goku simply being present and seeing a technique first-hand does not automatically mean he copied the technique; otherwise, we'd give him and every other Saiyan virtually every technique shown throughout the series. Furthermore, between the War on Namek and the Majin Buu conflict is a gap of 12 years. He saw the Kienzan once 12 years ago and only copied the move then?
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If we consider the manga to be the case, the time between when Goku saw Kienzan is very long. However, if we consider Toei/Kai, Goku in Tree of Might uses Kienzan to cut off Great Ape Gohan's tail. Then, in Kai, Goku last saw it not on Namek but during the Cell Games.
  1. When he faced Cell directly.
  2. When Cell Jr. used it on Gohan.
  3. When Cell used it on Gohan.
However, even with the vast time gap between both the manga and the anime, it doesn't mean that Goku spent the time you mentioned to learn about Kienzan. After all, we have Vegeta, and we can even compare him to Goku. That doesn't mean we can assume he couldn't do it, right? Even the Daizenshuu mentions a bit about Saiyan mimicry, "whether it's a Saiyan ability or a skill of a particular individual," although it doesn't refer to Kienzan.
Nullflowerblush said:
See Twin Dragon Shot (1) (2).
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For this I think I'll have to remove that part, even though we don't see Goku maneuvering his energy like he did in ToP, which is more like Sokidan.
 
SwordLegendz01 said:
However, even with the vast time gap between both the manga and the anime, it doesn't mean that Goku spent the time you mentioned to learn about Kienzan. After all, we have Vegeta, and we can even compare him to Goku. That doesn't mean we can assume he couldn't do it, right?
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What the **** are you even saying? We can say Vegeta copied the Kienzan because we saw Vegeta use the Kienzan after Krillin used the Kienzan—twice. We cannot say Goku copied the Kienzan because we have zero evidence supporting the claim. Occam's razor: if he didn't use the Kienzan before the timeskip, and then he has the Kienzan after the timeskip, he probably obtained the Kienzan during the timeskip—during which he trained.
 
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