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Two On One Battles Being Added to Profiles.

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Do you control both Ice Climbers at once? I don't think so, even in Smash Bros they can function separately. But if true yes your analysis is correct.

Yes, if they can function alone they need separate profiles, but should have each other under standard equipment. If not they should go under one profile.
 
I don't like the idea of giving teams individual tiers on keys.

I still heavily dislike the Standard Equipment option unless it's a familiar like a Servant from Fate. That's like calling Robi equipment for Batma.

I also want to remove the SSB key from the Ice Climbers profile, but that's another topic.
 
Maybe just a note on who they're allowed to team with for valid matches
 
Um, PL... why are you talking about profiles vs standard equipment? We kinda already gave a third option here.
 
Reppuzan said:
I don't like the idea of giving teams individual tiers on keys.
I still heavily dislike the Standard Equipment option unless it's a familiar like a Servant from Fate. That's like calling Robi equipment for Batma.

I also want to remove the SSB key from the Ice Climbers profile, but that's another topic.
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This is an important and so far favorable suggestion, please try to read it.

I dislike teams having individual tiers on keys as well. I don't like the third option in general, it just hurts my brain and overcomplicates things in general.

I don't think you and others understand what I mean, obviously we wouldn't just have Robin there so and so. We would have it clarified, saying "Robin, whom assists Batman as his sidekick on many different occasions." That's the basic gist of it, you can re-word it but that's semantics. And the statement is true, Robin does function as Batman's sidekick, and Batman does use him, so functionally he does act as equipment.

Maybe if you want to add a partner tab on profiles that have partners? That seems like more work for something irrelevant though, my previous suggestion works just as well.

(TYPE A) This is for those who have a partner, work with their partner often enough where the two seem synonymous, but still have the ability to function on their own. Characters who meet these criteria should have each other listed under standard equipment, because it is standard for them to use each other functionally as equipment, becoming stronger thanks to each other. These would be characters like Nana and Popo, Batman and Robin. All of them would have seperate pages, of course, they would just be referenced and linked to each other in the standard equipment section. Of course, partners can be restricted, in fact, common sense says we should automatically assume so unless told otherwise.

(TYPE B) If one of the characters seems like the "main" character and the other a "side" character, with the "main" character still being able to function while the "side" character cannot, they would go under one profile. It would be unnecessary to have another profile for the "side" character since we've already established they can't function without the "main". These would be characters like Master Chief and Cortana, Link and Navi. All of them would go under the "main" characters page, and while they would be listed under standard equipment, they would have their own mini "profile" under the notable abilities/attacks section. These type of partners cannot be restricted unless you're taking the character from a specific key in which they don't have their partner.

(TYPE C) If a character seems like a "main" character, and they bring in another character mid-fight, the character they brought in would be classified and treated as a "summon". This would be characters like Jotaro Kujo and Star Platinum, Yu Narumaki and Izanagi. They would only be referenced under notable attacks/abilities. Basically they would remain unchanged. These type of partners usually cannot be restricted, as that's the same as restricting abilities. Of course, if a character has a key in which they don't have their summoning ability, its fair game.

So how would we add a victory in a teamfight? Well in the case of Type A, we would add the victories and defeats to both of the partners character pages, as there were two profiles and two characters involved in that one fight. In the case of Type B, we would only have to add them under one profile, the "main" characters profile. Same goes for Type C.

Does anyone have an issue with this suggestion? I know it might seem a tad strange calling your partner "equipment", but like I said, if you think about it, functionally the two partners are "using" each other to make them stronger and better in general, just like equipment.

TL;DR - NONE GO BACK AND READ IT :mad:
 
I'm... not exactly against this, but isn't the category solution better? You didn't speak a word about it.

But yeah, Momon and Nabe are type A, Master Chief and Cortana are Type B, and... I didn't even know about any Type Cs before, I think.
 
Not entirely opposed to the category solution but I think it creates a lot of extra work, both on those who have to create the categories, and those who have to navigate them. I'm all for doing extra work, but not when it's unneccesary. I honestly think the option I proposed is best, having lots of accuracy, and a fair amount of work. The category option has a lot of accuracy as well, but is a lot of extra work on those creating them, and those trying to navigate back and forth.
 
@PL

That's still not "equipment". They're still a separate character. It would be misleading to call them that. This is why I'm firmly opposed to this idea.

I don't call individual Pokemon or Digimon pieces of equipment. Nor would you call Robin, Nightwing, Red Hood, or Batgirl.

They're not the same as someone like Berserker, who is always by Illya's side and acts as her primary weapon against her enemies.
 
Instead of standard equipment we can just add a "Partners" section to the profiles or something of that nature.
 
Functionally, they are equipment, like it or not. How? Batman "uses" Robin to gain an advantage over many enemies/villains, this is a fact. Just like Punisher uses his guns to gain advantages over many enemies/villains. Both Robin and a gun functionally act and perform like equipment. And just to clarify, Robin would be just as much equipment to Batman as he is to Robin. They would both go under each other's standard equipment. Besides, we already have seperate pages for characters equipment if it's notable enough, take Marth's Falchio as an example. Partners are just glorified equipment.

Pokemon Trainers do use their Pokemon as equipment all the timet. Not sure about Digimon but I think so as well. Like I said, characters are glorified equipment, they function the same regardless of whether or not it sounds strange to you.

Pretty sure Berserker and servants would be Type A in general, seeing as how they can function without their partner. Though they may be Type C if they're only summoned mid-fight. In general, we'd go on a case by case basis.
 
@Professor

So you're saying that Batman uses Robin as a bat to hit people with? That's the idea you're getting at when you compare a character to a weapon.

You're arguing semantics rather than thinking logically.
 
@Reppuzan

You're arguing that every piece of equipment is used the same. That's not true. I don't whack people with my grappling gun, the same way I would with my baseball bat. They're not used the same. This holds true for Robin, obviously Batman doesn't pick him up and slam him into Bane, that's not how he's used. He's "used" by Batman usually giving him an order or two, but he's demonstrated he doesn't even need this pre-requisite before.

I'm comparing Robin to a weapon because he IS a weapon. This is as logical as it gets. You're the one stuck over semantics because you can't get the idea past your head and are too stuck up on the word "equipment". Equipment is fluid, it changes and isn't always the same cookie-cutter gun/bat/knife that we see. In fact the definition of equipment is "the necessary items for a particular purpose" which is TRUE yet again, Batman often needs Robin for many different purposes. Robin is equipment, end of story.
 
@PL

That doesn't change the fact that characters themselves are not equipment.

Just because they're "used" for assistance doesn't make them pieces of equipment or objects. You're effectively calling every single character on this wiki a piece of equipment or a weapon.
 
@Wokistan

I much prefer footnotes that can be added gradually than calling characters equipment for no apparent reason.
 
REALLY THE SAME ARGUMENT :mad:

No, they are equipment. I just gave you the definition of equipment and they fit 100% perfectly, they fit in every official definiton of the wordl. I don't understand why you can't get over this one word.

Equipment doesn't imply an inanimate object, that's not in any definition but the one in your head. I'm only calling characters who have equal partners equipment, because they DO use each other to serve a specific purpose.

You need a new argument now because I just debunked it with the very definition.

EDIT: Would having a new tab below equipment named "Partners:" work for you?
 
@Weekly

Xayah and Rakan are separate because they can fight separately despite being partners. They are inherently linked the way the Ice Climbers are, since their relationship is closer to lovers or an extremely close partnership than making them synonymous to one another.

Gentle and La Brava are always seen together as well, but since Gentle can fight on his own I still think their profiles should be kept separate.
 
Wokistan said:
Wokistan said:
Maybe just a note on who they're allowed to team with for valid matches
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Why don't we... follow this? No need for edits adding to Standard Equipment. At most, a section of "Potential team members". For race profiles, btw, we should standardize the possibility of them teaming up with themselves to form packs if they would do so in their setting. A pack of wolves would certainly be better in a fight than a single one and both are valid possibilities in a fight. This allows us for a note standard on the character and race (or even civilization!) profiles and a rule with a small number of subsections.
 
We already have a section for misc notes on the profile format. Just say "can team with x" there. Equipment implies an inanimate object.
 
Equipment does not imply an inanimate object, in no definition but the one in your head. In a traditional sense, maybe, but still no.

I'd agree with misc note suggestion. It summarizes my suggestion in a way. Of course it would have to be clarified that the partner is present during a versus thread, and the victory/loss would be added to both profiles, but yes I'm fine with this.
 
@PL

Adding a new section/tab labeled partners would require a revision to the standard format of character profiles, which I would prefer to avoid since it would necessitate a project that I don't think the Staff wants to deal with right now.

Footnotes added over time by willing users is a far more reasonable solution.
 
That's a case of staff doing whats easy rather than whats correct. I don't really care if the staff don't want to deal with it, ultimately they'd end up having to. And it wouldn't have to add a new section to every page, just characters who have a partner.

But yes adding it under footnotes/misc note makes sense as well. 100% in agreement with this suggestion.
 
idk, stuff like pokeballs and digivices can be equipments but to call your sidekicks such as robin an equipment is going too far
 
@ProfessorLord

Your suggestion effectively implies that we label every single character on this wiki a piece of equipment and is demanding the Staff (who are all stressed with their own personal issues as well as an influx of ****-uploading trolls) to do what you think is "correct".

I apologize if I come across as aggressive, but that's stupid.

I'd rather just have a footnote detailing which characters another character often fights with.

After that, it's drafting regulations on what types of matches would be valid to add.
 
Reppuzan said:
@PL
Adding a new section/tab labeled partners would require a revision to the standard format of character profiles, which I would prefer to avoid since it would necessitate a project that I don't think the Staff wants to deal with right now.

Footnotes added over time by willing users is a far more reasonable solution.
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Reppuzan, is it necessary to create a project? Am I wrong to assert that the present standard format has a few optional sections? This could be one of them: if the character can team up with nobody, leave it blank. Write a "Team Match-ups" page to explain this mechanic of the site and do it something like...

Team Members: Other Saibamen. Greatest amount observed working together at once was 5.
 
Footnotes which correlate having a "partners with character" seems reasonable and have users that are fans and willing do the same for verses they like.

I'm curious about teams though. Like say Voltron, RWBY, Power Rangers and such. Not saying adding team matches but which members of each team could be paired?
 
@Mand21

If we add a new section to one profile, then we have to add it to every relevant profile, which requires edits to thousands upon thousands of profiles.

It's a project any way you slice it.
 
Well, I'm not sure if limiting this to duos is necessary anymore, but sure. We could pair characters from a team who have already fought as a duo or have closer dynamics (couples, notably closer friends than the rest), though the latter is subjective.
 
This doesn't apply to many people, and requires changing the format for everyone. Having it in the notes section who they're allowed to team with is sufficient, on the match itself just add their teammate like you'd add their form and speed equal if it was.
 
Can we just go through with Wokistan's suggestion?

Also no matter what suggestion we go with Reppuzan, it's going to be thousands of relevant profiles. This is going to be a big change no matter what, it's a project no matter what so really shitty counter-argument.
 
Wokistan's suggestion with the twofold/three-types restriction, yeah. That's our consensus. Can we proudly present this to Antvasima and show him some evidence that he can trust regular members to solve problems, pals?
 
I agree with Reppuzan and Monarch Laciel. Do either of you have a suggestion for how to word an appropriate new regulation text?
 
@ProfessorLord

We are definitely not willing to make this into a massive wiki project, or to change our standard formats. That request is firmly denied. Period. I would appreciate if you immediately drop the subject.

We are only willing to write a versus discussion rule regarding that certain types of matchups involving several characters are allowed, preferably if the characters are constantly working together as a canon team, and are unable to fight on their own. That is it.
 
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