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Guys, can we be civil and not insult each other. I don't want this to become a massive uber shit show and get closed
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I think she/he were talking about different people not the mods.Yes, we are not biased against this verse. We just find the provided information very suspicious. That is all.
AgreedHonestly, it's very important to just collect your points together, and stop legit antagonizing each other. I don't want to have a longer thread because of that.
Just a note that regardless what is decided here, it has to actually be applied in practice.I still agree with First Witch, Mr. Bambu, and Promestein. We need to decide whether we should apply High, Low-Godly, or Mid-Godly regeneration though.
I’m fine compromising on Mid-Godly, as this isn’t the first time Fuse/Yen-Press has given contradictory statements. If Elizhaa has access to the raw scans, we should get her and probably put it through a DeepTL.If there is magicule to spend on the regeneration, not everything would be erased, making it Mid-Godly at best. In fact, given that Endless Regeneration is, as a skill, part of the soul, to my understanding, and is made out of information itself, would that not count as a source, also disqualifying High-Godly?
It is.Iirc this is only affecting the light novel.
LN only.Is it possible that the Spirit of life and death and time is also made of information? Since everything in that verse is an information right? It's also maybe the reason why rimuru is unaffected by conceptual destruction since he could regenerate from it?
Hard understanding the situation. So what tier his regeneration now in LN?LN only.
High-Godly: The ability to regenerate after the erasure of body, mind, and soul, along with at least one even more fundamental aspect of a character's existence, such as their place in the narrative, their entire history, or the underlying concept(s) or information needed for them to exist.
Downgrades of what? Am I not still discussing this?
Information Particles having mass makes no sense, because I’ve already shown you anything past normal Skills are literally abstract representations of thoughts, ideas, and come from the soul. Unless you’re saying those are physical too, as well, which would make everything in the verse physical, which is contradicted by people like Ifrit being a spirit.If information particles possess mass, soul particles possess mass, etc, then they aren't sufficient for Godly regen. That's just how it is. I don't know why people in this thread have turned to the argument of "you just don't know Slime", when the supporters of Slime are the ones ostensibly providing the information (as they should, for the record) that fuels this point of view.
Also soul in this manga scan shows that it is the will itself and not physical.Hinatas attack which uses Spirit particles shouldn't have effected it if it was pure physical and just destroy the body.If info particles was physical than so is spirit particles which doesn't make senseIdk if this would help to explain of how Souls in tensura works, but, ye, Soul in tensura is also ''Will'', and can be astral body (the operating device that does the thinking) and others things
Though I've seen verses like Bleach and Dragon Ball treat souls and spirits as having mass and being affected by gravity, yet still having characters that qualify for Godly regeneration (Aizen, Zamasu Chou) or Non Physical related powers.《否。照目前情况看来是不可能的。无法干涉最小单位的「资讯体」。》
I'm bringing these up since whoever is gonna downgrade the profiles would probably have to deal with this. With souls/spirits being deemed physical, then abilities such as Non Physical Interaction and perhaps even Soul Manipulation and Mind Manipulation must be removed from the Light Novel profiles since it doesn't comply with the site's standards according to this thread. Just to let these profiles make a lick of sense.Magic being capable of intervening and rewriting the laws of physics.
Spirit magic such as Ifrit's Flame Transform can't be done by Rimuru if he's using a physical body, because it's spiritual manifestation and not physical.
Spiritual lifeforms not being able to last in the physical world because they don't have physical forms and therefore consume too much magic to exist.
The material body, being separate from the spiritual body, astral body, and the soul. Like Kagali being able to exist as mere consciousness and attempt to possess Yuuki's body, after his physical body was destroyed. And many other examples.
The material body is the physical body that is connected to the world. Whereas the soul is a consciousness, but apparently it is a physical thing since it's made of information particles. Which means literal consciousness and literal will are physical as well.
Spirits being immune from physical attacks, because they're spirits and therefore nonphysical, and only susceptible to magic. But they are still physical anyways.
It making sense doesn't matter. If they are stated to have mass, then they have mass. I'm not saying anything that wasn't told to me by supporters of the verse. The existence of a spirit doesn't negate this given that gases exist.Information Particles having mass makes no sense, because I’ve already shown you anything past normal Skills are literally abstract representations of thoughts, ideas, and come from the soul. Unless you’re saying those are physical too, as well, which would make everything in the verse physical, which is contradicted by people like Ifrit being a spirit.
Fundamentally, everything being physical directly goes against the physiology of the verse, considering Spirit Particles are capable of attacking souls, which Hinata specifically uses when she fights Rimuru, and he notes that it doesn’t do any physical damage to him, just his soul. There’s a clear distinction between physical and non-physical.
I’m not the one saying “you don’t know the series”, I was referring to the two other users who have a bias towards Maou Gakuin, and against Slime.
I'd like to let any confusion be wrung out, if its all the same. Prom should also preferably speak, since she is admittedly more level-headed than I.I think that Bambu makes sense, and that we should apply his intended downgrades.
Considering this is the same author who’s proven to have multiple inconsistencies that were rectified by said supporters, I’m saying this is inconsistent to what has been shown several times in the series.It making sense doesn't matter. If they are stated to have mass, then they have mass. I'm not saying anything that wasn't told to me by supporters of the verse. The existence of a spirit doesn't negate this given that gases exist.
I’m not even sure what this means, but okay...???You are not the only one in this thread, Milly. Believe it or not, other people have said such things.
I'm also unsure what you're trying to say in the first bit. Wdym you guys "rectified inconsistencies"?Considering this is the same author who’s proven to have multiple inconsistencies that were rectified by said supporters, I’m saying this is inconsistent to what has been shown several times in the series.
I’m not even sure what this means, but okay...???
I do not agree with Mid-Godly, however.Guys, could we just close this thread and downgrade them to Mid-Godly?, I think that this topic has already reached to a agreement.
Not to say with total certainty that information / magic particle regeneration absolutely does not qualify for any sort of Godly regeneration, but none of these things necessarily make it impossible for them to be a different sort of matter that would still have mass and not qualify for a Godly regeneration. Just off the top of my head, in Mahouka, part of the system revolves around clearly some sort of physical information particles that exist in an information dimension. Not to mention, possession occurs with non-Godly regenerators all the time (Jack Frost from the terrible ******* slasher film possesses people and he's a ******* snowman, Makuta from Bionicle possess people as just gas). Just for examples of systems in which similar things exist and yet do not mean Godly regeneration.Magic being capable of intervening and rewriting the laws of physics.
Spirit magic such as Ifrit's Flame Transform can't be done by Rimuru if he's using a physical body, because it's spiritual manifestation and not physical.
Spiritual lifeforms not being able to last in the physical world because they don't have physical forms and therefore consume too much magic to exist.
The material body, being separate from the spiritual body, astral body, and the soul. Like Kagali being able to exist as mere consciousness and attempt to possess Yuuki's body, after his physical body was destroyed. And many other examples.
The material body is the physical body that is connected to the world. Whereas the soul is a consciousness, but apparently it is a physical thing since it's made of information particles. Which means literal consciousness and literal will are physical as well.
Spirits being immune from physical attacks, because they're spirits and therefore nonphysical, and only susceptible to magic. But they are still physical anyways.
Don't think so, those people have posted scans that they don't even know if they are translated correctly.Why wait? We have people with knowledge of the language here, don't we?
This series often has horrible translations, that’s what I mean.I'm also unsure what you're trying to say in the first bit. Wdym you guys "rectified inconsistencies"?
No, I don’t. Such things as what?Me: "You are not the only one in this thread, Milly. Believe it or not, other people have said such things."
Milly: "I’m not even sure what this means, but okay...???"
Get it now? Yay?
The series translations have always been a problem, that’s why we have issues like Information Particles being physical, yet Spirits of Light and Darkness exist, which create everything and Unique Skills are literally born from your mind and idea.This is not to say this is necessarily the case with TSSDK. It seems to me like translation issues could very well have a role here, as well as a clusterfuck of misrepresented information from conflicting canons that makes it extremely difficult to keep track of things, especially when I'm not exactly an expert on the verse here. I haven't claimed to be. I'm just picking apart what's presented to me.
Yeah, there is no point of debating this unless someone finds a accurate translation, or until we bring a Japanese person/speaker to finish this off.This series often has horrible translations, that’s what I mean.
No, I don’t. Such things as what?