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I think you misunderstood. Hinata used it on rimuru skill that's why I said it not him."Also when hinata used it on his skill it erased it."
It comes from literally you.
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I think you misunderstood. Hinata used it on rimuru skill that's why I said it not him."Also when hinata used it on his skill it erased it."
It comes from literally you.
To clarify, their souls being destroyed = being wiped from existence, as their souls are pretty much the core and root of their existence, their consciousness, the information that makes up their being. The full explanation is a bit complicated, since it also involves the astral and spiritual bodies that allows thoughts and records them. But nonetheless, for spiritual lifeforms, these are all synonymous as they can think and exist with their souls, even without a material/physical body.
- True Dragons: it has been described that True Dragons can "come back" even if their souls/core are destroyed. It is implied that Veldora died this way multiple times. However, their personalities get reset after death. These people don't have LN profiles yet. [Volume 1, Volume 5, Volume 17]
- Primordial Demons: According to Rain (Blue Primordial), Primordials can come back from any condition/cannot be destroyed. Including destruction of their core. The downside is it takes a long time (may take hundreds of years) for them to recover (except for Diablo/Primordial Black, who is implied to be capable of coming back instantly), and that they can be made subservient if they get killed by soul destruction (though this is not enforceable as servitude, they can disobey if they want to). [Volume 17, Rain's Side Story] The only one among them who has an LN profile is Diablo. [Volume 11]
- Other demons: specifically, those who are close to the primary colors, usually the Primordial Demons' subordinates. These are usually their direct subordinates. [Volume 17, Rain's Side Story].
However, it's still implied that, with the nature of Melt Slash, it would've completely destroyed Rimuru's physical body at the very least, and Infinite Regeneration is capable of recreating it instantly. That still qualifies for Low-Godly regeneration, at least, since Raphael doesn't really say even his destroyed soul can be regenerated from Melt Slash (therefore Mid-Godly) so it's vague. However, Infinite Regeneration's description states that it "can now even regenerate from having the Spiritual Body shattered" so there is a possibility for it, and it supports Low-Godly even further.Mid-Godly: The ability to regenerate from the complete erasure of body, mind, and soul.
High-Godly: The ability to regenerate after the erasure of body, mind, and soul, along with at least one even more fundamental aspect of a character's existence, such as their place in the narrative, their entire history, or the underlying concept(s) or information needed for them to exist.
Yes information particles are said to make up everything in the ln too.Souls need to have mass now?
Also, isn’t information stated to make up everything in the LN enough?
There's no reason that it wouldn't. There's nothing wrong with it having mass.There's a new question of whether or not these souls, which have mass, apparently, even qualify for Low-Godly if they're regenerated from.
Seems like information particles doesn't satisfy the "one even more fundamental aspect of a character's existence" part of the High-Godly definition. The standards should honestly be better explained IMO.Also, isn’t information stated to make up everything in the LN enough?
In WN, there is only information and no information particlesSeems like information particles doesn't satisfy the "one even more fundamental aspect of a character's existence" part of the High-Godly definition. The standards should honestly be better explained IMO.
I think for infons to be qualified, a blog explaining souls and supporting the argument that infons are a fundamental aspect and not merely a building block, more importantly, a proof that it's literal information, would be necessary.
Though I'm speaking mostly from the LN, no idea if the WN already shows that.
That needs citation.It should be also noted that spirit are conceptual beings.
Please make all your comments one, instead of multiple. Easier to read and takes up less space.Light novel: All forms of matter ranging from atoms to even esoteric matter like spirit particle that makes intangible beings like spirits. Skills are also made up of information particles. This case is important because abilities like Melt Slash and disintegration destroy all leaving nothing behind; Melt Slash can affect information as it could destroy Rimuru's Ultimate Skills. It should be also noted that spirit are conceptual beings.
“It’s quite simple, General Kristoph. I am not Alvin. I am an artificial lifeform made by my father, Fudora–a Bionoid. However, I will absorb the genetic information in this human called Alvin, as well as the biocomputer equipped in this body. That includes his personal memories and skills. You might say that I am Alvin reborn.” this is shown in chapter 362. |
Agreed.Okay, so basically I'm being told they absolutely have physical things left of them to regenerate from, but that's fine because they're described as not following the laws of physics.
Hey, fellas, you talked me out of okay-ing Mid-Godly. We're looking at High now. Not High-Godly, just High.
I agree with this as well. Thank you for helping out.I feel like you're just going to start repeating yourself over and over again so I think I'm about done laying out my arguments. One more time, though. Just for you.
Either way, the feat is, at worst, High, and at best, Low-Godly. In all honesty, I lean towards High.
- This is treated as a physical regeneration feat, which is consistent with these particles being said to have mass.
- This costs magicule, and would consume a lot of it. If the entirety of Rimuru's information body was destroyed, all of the magicules, which are bigger than information particles, would be as a well. As a result, logically, that is not actually true, and both some of his magicules and information particles would endure.
- Even if Melt Slash can destroy both information and magical particles - and I agree, it can - that doesn't mean it can or would destroy the entire structure of Rimuru on all levels.
- Melt Slash is either therefore resisted by Rimuru, the scale of its power is mistranslated, or it's simply wanked by the narrative and fails to live up to this statement.
Woah there. There seems to be a need in clarification again.
First of all, again, Web Novel stuff and Light Novel stuff should be treated separately. As how we treat Slime canon at the moment, they are not canon with each other. Therefore, information from the WN cannot support LN arguments and vice versa.
However, there are similarities between WN stuff and LN stuff, it just needs complementary evidences, so judgments upon either might affect each other, in a way.
Now that that's cleared up, I'll reiterate that all of my arguments and queries are for Light Novel profiles only. This might not be all that relevant yet since a lot of LN characters don't have profiles yet, but it's better to clear it up now.
Light Novel stuff
While I myself am neutral about High Godly regeneration (actually leaning to disagree at this point), there is no way that the Demons and True Dragons aren't capable of reaching up to Mid-Godly Regeneration. As was stated above and in the last thread:
To clarify, their souls being destroyed = being wiped from existence, as their souls are pretty much the core and root of their existence, their consciousness, the information that makes up their being. The full explanation is a bit complicated, since it also involves the astral and spiritual bodies that allows thoughts and records them. But nonetheless, for spiritual lifeforms, these are all synonymous as they can think and exist with their souls, even without a material/physical body.
Destruction of the soul means they cease to exist, they won't even be able to reincarnate, regardless of what happens to their physical body. True Dragons and Primordial Demons are capable of coming back from that, even if it's over time (for Diablo, it's implied to be instantaneous).
Now, as for Melt Slash. I'll give my piece here.
Melt Slash is definitely capable of destroying things in all levels, from the physical body to souls, up to information particles as seen with how it destroyed Beelzebub.
Now I suppose the argument about Rimuru not having High-Godly (or in this case, Mid-Godly if Information Particles isn't accepted as a basis for High Godly, which seems to be what @Promestein and @Mr._Bambu seem to believe in favor of), is that Rimuru doesn't get completely destroyed by Melt Slash (along with his soul). Especially since he blocks the attack with Beelzebub anyways (which gets destroyed, but it still drained his magicules which is equivalent of 70% damage). Which is fair, since the definition of these things are:
However, it's still implied that, with the nature of Melt Slash, it would've completely destroyed Rimuru's physical body at the very least, and Infinite Regeneration is capable of recreating it instantly. That still qualifies for Low-Godly regeneration, at least, since Raphael doesn't really say even his destroyed soul can be regenerated from Melt Slash (therefore Mid-Godly) so it's vague. However, Infinite Regeneration's description states that it "can now even regenerate from having the Spiritual Body shattered" so there is a possibility for it, and it supports Low-Godly even further.
Tl;dr
- Light Novel versions of True Dragons and Primordial Demons still qualify for Mid-Godly regeneration if High-Godly is to be rejected. Currently affects Diablo's profile.
- Light Novel Rimuru still qualifies for at least Low Godly regeneration.
I'll just bump these again, since I won't be able to reply for the next 24 hours due to my exams.There's no reason that it wouldn't. There's nothing wrong with it having mass.
It's weirdly described, but souls here has never been treated as an actual physical object in the scientific sense. Neither is infons/information particles. It's like if souls existed to us IRL, we really have no way of interacting or quantifying it in a physical way, and the universe that Rimuru came from is basically the same as ours.
Infons are capable of forming abilities that can govern fate, probability, time and space in the form of skills. It's esoteric and supernatural.
Though I'd rather check the raws to confirm the stuff about mass but I honestly don't have the time and I'll be off-grid soon.
I mean, if you are too overworked to read everything, just don't read it now, because it would be a unfair analysis, seriously.Again, it isn't remotely about that I do not care what you have to say. I am just far too overworked to read everything.
That is not helping, that is making the analysis be unfair, it would literally make any CRT be only about what Staff agreed, ignoring others arguments as wellI have to try to help keep as many content revisions discussions as I can manage organised, or nothing will usually happen. It is not a perfect system, but it is far better than that I just ignore my duties and let this community collapse around me.