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Trinity Seven CRT
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How much did they pay?
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Do I have enough agreements to start the 48 hours grace period?WTF with this massive wank???Verse just cap at 5-A but rendy and now delta's wanking...I'll nuke the verse when rendy's not lookingDisagree
Agree, this seems fine.with nuking the verse
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You do.
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Yeah and you must count @Rendynoc0unter agreement. So you have 4 staff approval and ready to apply
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I agree with Heavenly Realm, and Akashic Record.
Neutral for the rest.
Neutral for the rest.
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Agree FRA
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Though I can’t say about ID, know nothing about the verse and those are irrelevant to the overall point, so, no use in nitpicking that.
To add instantly, we know that Archieve is a higher dimensions that is unrecognizable and unreachable level for a magus and human based on the glossary, and it’s been stated at the early of the series begin.
The Heavenly realm folks (especially referring to Adjudicators/Arbitrators) possessing a magic power much higher than people in surface world through “Clouds”, making them magic powers equal to those of Gods, who is a higher dimensional being that already transcend space-time. To quote from the glossary:
Which following with the next scans, given that Clouds is higher dimensions and also more archetypal than the Archives. Unlike the Archive, Clouds can exclusively be used by the Adjudicators or someone that possesses a very high-level magic (like Paladin and
Talking about Heavenly realm and the level, for the reference:
So to say that, the magus who is a high-level is seems to been stated that they closely enough to transcending the space-time (4D), while we fundamentally know that Heavenly realms folks like Adjudicators, are far superior even compared to a regular high-level magus due to already transcend the space-time (5D).
Tackling only this part from the OP, the infinite futures stuff there is actually not referring to the infinite size of the space-time, but rather than they talk about how her research gives a pretty good result by traveling the infinite possibilities or infinite space-time (looking that she talk about future). Especially since the one who says that is Master Liber, who was given the title of “Archbishop” among the Adjudicators, experts in terms of future predictions and has been worshipping and researching a way out of all systems of God.
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It says infinite future rather than infinite futures so I don't think it refers to the amount of possibilities, as for infinite space-time I don't think it's any different than saying a spacetime is infinite in size?
That said, I'm sure the series has a lot of statements about each world being infinite in size though I need to spend time to find them if you want.
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Eh, I guess I'll just go on the area you insist and just handle it.
So... a so-called "higher dimension" containing a "lower dimension" isn't grounds for tier 1 for several reasons here:
1: This "dimension" clearly isn't infinite on all of its axises, currently it's being conceded that it's located in the center of the multiverse, and while we default the space between universes as a 5-D structure as much the universes can be distanced from each other (which is also clearly the case here), the fact that it doesn't just fully encompass this space, nor is such space itself (the space between universes) confirmed to be infinitely sized, leans into this not meeting sufficient criteria to qualify for tier 1. Have you ever wondered why we don't just make characters that are merely stated to be higher dimensional (or even with direct numbers, say, "10-D") tier 1? This is part of why.
2: The perspective given from the so-called higher-dimensional characters in relation to the lower-d stuff isn't really explained sufficiently to lean this way, if anything it's confirmed they feed on universal structures, as far the conclusions of the thread that got them a 2-A cosmology went.
IIRC 6-D Nasuverse is actually being contested right now, so I wouldn't rely on that.
As for Instant Death, it has a more elaborate Reality to Fiction stuff than here, quoting from the OP of that thread:
Let alone ID's case not having a ton of anti-implications that lead into tier 1 being overly assumptive at best.
Anyways, considering this is a tier 1 revision generally way more staff input (particularly of VSBW Thread Moderators or above, the one of Content Mods don't count as staff input for this kind of threads) will be required, so I wouldn't even consider to put this in grace yet.
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Using the official translation, it pretty much says futures. She can see the future tho.
But aside from that, it seems weird imo to use infinite futures as an evidence to claim the space-time is in infinite size (at least with Liber cases), since generally most of the fiction always refers future as a possibilties.
Sure I guess, I can wait.
The only things that I can find from the manga (considering that they talked about in terms of size) is The Dante Gate for having infinite size in chapter 59
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Use this in the OP then, I disagree using Master Liber statement to prove the size of the space-time.
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You don't have any authority here so I don't need to care, also I can't help but laugh so ******* hard right now when you use the fake scan of Instant death (created by a vsb user) to say that it's a legit statement. Lmfao do you truly think that such R-F statement exists in Instant Death? Go ahead and give me that chapter right now if you think you can? Please?
Feel free to explain to me why infinite does not mean infinite
I already told you to return to this thread again when you have an answer as for why lower dimension being embedded within higher dimension is not enough for our standard. Is it really that hard to understand?
I will, what do you think about the rest of this thread?
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Should be good I suppose, but I prefer something like this:
Possibly/likely 5D for Heavenly realm
5D for Archive
6D for Clouds
7D for Gods (if we include her)
7D higher/8D (?) for Akashic Records
Possibly/likely 5D for Heavenly realm
5D for Archive
6D for Clouds
7D for Gods (if we include her)
7D higher/8D (?) for Akashic Records
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No, Heavenly blatantly received a solid rating, as did Archive.
Yes
For all gods, not include Aryan sama
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It should be possibly/likely imo, since I can think many counter arguments at that part.
For her true form, yes it is.
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Bobsican
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Besides that claim being unfriendly, I'm just saying stuff based on the site standards:
Anyways, then don't rely on a outdated CRT to push your claim, it acts as a misleading bad example.
Either way, remembering further of the little time I bothered participating in Instant Death CRTs, it had to do with a simple direct upward hierarchy of universes within universes, with the "baseline reality" being one of the lower "universes", while in here a lot is being extrapolated from quite little that's remotely valid.
...Considering the context they're clearly just talking about universal structures, not any space that's being argued for as tier 1, let alone being compared as infinitely larger than them, not every mention of infinity leans on a qualitatively superior sense. In fact we default "infinite space-time" statements to just Low 2-C.
I already did at this point, it's just not that simple with the given explanations for the setting, it's not only a matter of meeting certain criteria and calling it a day, but such criteria overall being consistent with all the known details of the setting.
You keep focusing so much into this semantic, while ignoring how i debunked several other points in grounds of just "nitpicking", you really like the false premise fallacy, huh?
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Right now, I've compiled it, and I'm just waiting to get a few more glossaries to confirm my arguments.
Like the glossary (clouds, etc), on the manga site I read, I didn't find it.
So, at this time I will not publish the 8-d, poss 9d argument for Aryan sama
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Count me as agree
Bobsican
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I never said that you strawman, I'm saying that's not usable proof of tier 1 as is, rather than it being an anti-feat.
Currently, I guess.
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Delta argument sold me in.
Count me as agreeing for now.
Count me as agreeing for now.
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Delta, I was doing that as a joke when I suggested low 1-C months ago ;-;
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I have a lot to say, but given that staff members have already agreed with it, I think my explanation will be useless. So a downgrade thread can be followed by me.
Funny enough that you were good till low 1-C but afterward you did not even explain any qualitative superiority that reaches 7D.
Funny enough that you were good till low 1-C but afterward you did not even explain any qualitative superiority that reaches 7D.
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Anyway, call Ultima to the thread, so he can review it.
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Okay.
@Elizhaa, @Ultima_Reality, @Qawsedf234, @DarkDragonMedeus, @LordGriffin1000
Your opinion is very much appreciated here.
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Bruh, Gurren laga is a fiction that applies the lower dimension that is present in the higher dimension because it uses brane cosmology as a reference for its cosmology.
Space-time infinite already refers to the infinite number of space-time, which means there are as many space-time continumm as infinite, what is described in the standard tiering system means that space-time is meant to have an infinite size in space, you are mistaken about it.
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No???? This is outright wrong. An infinity can contain another without being qualitative suprior to it.
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If the lower dimension is infinite in size and still contained by another higher dimension which is also bigger than the lower dimension. Then I agree with the upgrade.
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Because that infinity was never called a higher dimension? When a lower dimension is embedded within the higher dimension then it would be straightforward as tier 1 according to our standard. I have asked Ultima about this and he said it's the reason why Brane cosmology is tier 1 in the first place, as long as the lower dimension is infinite in size (or you can read the ID thread, obviously if you can point out the difference then please do)
If you think I'm trying to argue that "infinity contains other infinity hence it's greater infinity" and you proceed to say that "uhmm no natural number contains integer number but both are equally countably infinite" then no, that's not what I mean.
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No, this is not how qualitative superiority works, simply being inside an infinity does not give the set a bigger size.
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I literally saw the message now
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No, the lower plane present in the higher plane will not place the lower plane as a plane comparable to the higher plane (having the same dimensions) in brane cosmology, The reason why the brane cosmology is placed in tier 1 is because Brane is a higher dimension where there is a lower dimension present in the brane, this is like there is a ball contained in the box it's just the difference in the quantity of dimensions, Which means that fiction that applies the existence of brane cosmology, will be counted as a whole, this is similar to fictional stories that are present in reality, the fictional story will not have the same dimensional quality as us.
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