Some people prior have mentioned feats from wano, but the point of including those would be to show law can go against someone like kaido and damage them.
Stop. I literally like law more than jinbe... This has nothing to do with bias... This match would easily go to jinbe. Deal with it. You have no proof or anything that you say make law win especially when they are fighting on an underwater island.
You literally haven't said why law wins... You say unfairly given yet the profiles literally says Jinbe haki >>> law haki plus dura neg that won't be resisted by law. You are clearly biased and don't want jinbe to win... You also know barley any info about one piece.
that wasn’t the real luffy have you even watched/read the manga?
Comments like this are against the rules. This is a warning. Just debate and be quiet.
You've consistently not payed attention to anything I've said during the thread, and anything Monkey has said.
Now I know ya'll like mentioning this, but I dont see how this would help Jinbe. Not all fishman karate techniques can send shockwaves like he does with vagabond drill specifically, for example earlier in the Big Mom fight (from what I can tell) Shoulder Throw doesnt, and does nothing to big mom besides making her wet and annoyed, like a water gun. I might be misunderstood with this feat, as I am not very well aware of to what extent each karate move does, but please elaborate on this for my sake that way I can realize why this is such a strong argument everyone says.
Buddy, buddy, hey listen, thats not how that works. Just cause you can be resistant to it doesnt mean you can completely be immune to it, atleast not Counter Shock. An example of that would literally be doffy, who couldnt be shambled or amputated (I believe), but still was able to get counter shock'd. (One handed I should say, which does affect law's abilites to some point like Doffy stopping Law from using Mes by grabbing his hand, but thats off-topic to this portion.)
Unsure of what the not portion refers to. We saw law straight-up ignore One-of Doffy's attacks using his haki. And if you're talking about Gamma Knife and the sort, Idk what you're on about, this is specifically towards King as he didnt finish this sentence as-of the VS thread Im quoting it from.
Please give me the "etc.", as I dont wanna be biased here, but ignoring that;
(though law isnt one afaik), and I will give jinbe advantage in close ranged, he most-likely is better H2H-person than doffy, and I would say better reaction time, and thus could most-likely catch Law's blade in some scenarios. So I can actually agree to this, but it doesnt give him the win instantly.
Not big-mom level, and even then (with wano -> Law can hurt big mom), I wouldnt say this gives him the instant win. He does have better haki than law, but we've seen law hurt people who have superior haki, such-as Doffy.
... thats like me saying "All for one is weak because it relies on the quirk of other users to be strong", or in One Piece's argument, "Big mom is weak because her DF requires homies to boost her power" thats just not a good argument. and if we take Vergo, which we are unaware of if Law used haki against, to some degree Law doesnt depend on opponent's haki level to fight, or atleast that could be argued for.
It's submerged in water, not just existing near water. More on this later so that way I can have the water-thoughts all in one area.
"Barely works" really? really? no, Just no. That is such bull, he doesnt purely rely on shambling or amputating opponents and I don't see why he cant shamble himself like he usually does..? The only time he wins with amputating or shambling opponents is when it would be an easy win even without those, like against the marines I mentioned prior, even without amputate, he can just send the bullets back using shambles, which are not apart of the Marines themselves for example (unlike the cannonball-head trick he does in the same fight.)
This is technically incorrect if we use Wano, but ya'll get mad if I say that so whatever. I cant even find any non-Wano fights to reasonably compare Law VS Big mom or Kaido unless you want to consider the One Piece fighting games which... yeah no scaling to the likes of those is jank cause anyone can lose to/win against anyone.
Guess that panel where he turned around and tried to punch him is irrelevant. I wonder why he showed his back after that punch didnt work, almost like that would've been the best defensive approach... hmm...
This makes it seem like law doesnt have an unhealthy amount of stamina. Also implies he would have to use it constantly against Jinbe which just doesnt seem fair to law.
Unless Jinbe has sword-length "punches" (And no Im not talking about Jinbe punching the air to do shockwaves, different from the 1st approach), cant reasonably use vegabond drill in that scenario as law would most likely shambles to behind (as law is a strategist, would probs find a rock or something to use shambles with.)
Even if he was on his feet and conscious, that doesnt really mean much. Whitebeard literally died standing up, so in that regards whitebeard died half-'tank'. Sure, I'll admit, the Anime makes it seem like Jinbe cant even walk, but both portrays him as A. in pretty horrid condition and B. unable to fight back. Whether you want to chuck this up to realizing he was powerless against the admiral or because of his injuries I care not for cause I find it silly to think it wasnt the cause of his injuries.
I'll be waiting; I want the most accurate conversation to be had here, I dont want to accidentally mis-represent and I dont want Jinbe nor Law to be done worse than they should be, or put higher than intended.
was gonna say actually won’t reply much and just show you stuff… but know I kinda need to
Sorry but you have debunked nothing. Jinbe is stronger than doffy because we have feats... Big mom >>> gear 4th luffy (whole cake island) jinbe << big mom.... There are alot more as well... Yes law did threat jinbe and yes akainu did inflict life threatening injuries to jinbe.. But even with life threatening injuries he was able to stand and stay conscious (which doffy, law, luffy and ace can't do.... White beard was the only one that could still fight back from)
I have told you this many times... Why I scaled jinbe to big mom and akainu was to show how much stronger haki he has than doffy, law, vergo maybe even luffy...
Upper advantage on what?
Jinbe uses dura neg attacks... Link and link and mes on smoker means nothing... 1. Surprise attack 2. Base luffy has stronger haki than smoker... Smoker is literally nothing not sure why you brought him up when he is literally coby lvl of armament haki in that arc...
Won't be able to deflect jinbe.
By feats it can be higher than katakuri... Or =... Link and link also the other feats with big mom and akainu.
Proficient Haki Users: Haki users of this level have the capacity to coat the majority or even entirety of their body with Busoshoku: Koka, and can even extend the ability beyond their body and affect their weapons, attire, and even projectiles. The strength of this class of Haki surpasses the previous classes by a significant level.
Those dura neg attacks will barely work... Doffy got hit with alot of those and was still able to fight back and overpower law... Jinbe >> doffy (haki)
Not how he fights, how strong he is or how strong haki he has.
Um... You do know that you can't touch katakuri because he is dodging with observation haki... link and link not sure what you mean with he didn't manage to hit katakuri even with the help of 2 other people. And that wiki is a versus match... They can be wrong not sure why you linked that... It isn't reliable (also how did anyone even vote doffy against katakuri
)Sorry but you again said nothing new or important there
I linked how it works but I'll link again
This is like using luffy pre timeskip and using feats post timeskip.... Mostly Everyone gets stronger, some more than others even more with haki... link.
That guy knows that more than you
link and linkhe said Jinbe has more consistent dura neg that is not dependent on the opponent's level of buso. (this means that you can't defend against jinbe's attacks with haki)
This alone with haki can make jinbe win.
Doffy has weaker haki than jinbe... Even if we use pre timeskip jinbe haki. Also no one has said jinbe has big mom lvl of haki... But he is much closer than doffy, law and maybe even gear 4th luffy.
again he means that law with no matter how strong armament haki can't defend against jinbe's attacks.
This is the island
No. Just don't use wano... Until they are applied in the profiles... Because you literally don't know what can happen since wano isn't finished... What if the next chapter jinbe can one shot kaido... This is why we don't use wano yet.
That is true.. And it isn't bull at all
He can but again... He only uses it when he really needs too because it is taxing on law's stamina... And don't use wano... Because your devil fruit can literally be stronger the more you use and work them link
Again range, law's stamina and what is law going to do once he's behind him? Doffy can deal with stratagies like that... Why won't jinbe
He does... Jinbe is much bigger than law link (zoom in bottom left) (law height: 191 cm | Jinbe height: 301 cm)
I have linked how much water there is on that island... And yes it should work on any water....
It was good but... You said nothing that debunks anything or said anything on why law wins. You clearly don't have knowledge about one piece so I don't understand why you're keep arguing when none of what you say support law or is anything new...
but 
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Only reason he stayed conscious was to protect luffy. Which is why he was also on the operating table, trust me if he was 100% fine he would've been like zoros and kept that wound for mental strength aswell. :/
Maybe you should read the next portion before trying to represent like I didnt show anything, but ya know, I'll say it here too
the last part literally says "as Law bypassed Vergo's Haki and bifurcated him easily by using his Devil Fruit technique, although it is unknown if Law used his own Haki to overcome Vergo's Haki." It's unknown. Simple as that. Some can say law did, some can say law didn't.
Shouldn't have brought up smoker 'cause now you're gonna buckle down and use it against me. Anyways, from those two links, it looks like the shockwaves are pretty visible, anything stopping Law from using shambles? 'Cause you cant say they would hit before ROOM is created either, doubt law would let him make a pose before that lol.
Damn you're not even hiding it anymore, not even trying to provide a link or anything for this claim lmao. From what I know, we've never seen the sword break. Period. So technically I could be extreme and say it scales to Big Mom+, but that would be illogical and unfair.
Really? I showed how Jinbe is inbetween Katakuri or Doffy, NOT equal to Big mom or Akainu. Comparing his feats against Big mom to Big mom is a exaggeration. Taking my messages out of context is not painting a reliable picture for you in my honest opinion.Sorry but you again said nothing new or important there
I dont see why you're trying to say law gained that much between the time... I really dont see any valid argument for that... some training? Maybe, but realistically the only change I see is adding Curtain to his moveset, which is why I myself haven't said he could use it, 'cause at this point he didn't have it. In that argument I could say dressona law is weaker than wano usopp, just doesnt make sense to say something like that.
Quote from that 2nd link; "And Smoker's point is brought up again when Vergo fights Law, referring to how Haki can block Law's abilities." What does that say? CAN, not WILL. Doffy had superior haki and STILL got affected by other attacks other than spatial slashes. Wait, what does that 1st link say as an example? "The Spatial Slashes of the Ope Ope no Mi are offensive abilities, which have been stated on canon to be resisted." Huh. what does he say there? "to be resisted" not "immediately immune upon applying haki" like I said prior, its unknown if Law used his haki to hurt Vergo, so it would be misleading for me to say "X" for either. But its fair to use either possibility as an idea. These links don't show me ANYTHING without scrolling through the entire thread, which I myself will not be doing due to not caring enough, if you want to show me a specific point about Gamma Knife, Countershock, or Injectionshot, all attacks that hurt doffy cough cough, then feel free to do so.
Thats valid, but has anyone got out of his AoE attack of shockwaves? If so, Law could do it himself with Shambles. If not, then I guess law would have to find some way to surprise Jinbe, which is possible, to get a hit on him.
That is not true. Doffy had superior haki, did he outright win against it? No. Infact, thinking about it, Law used his haki against one of Doffy's attack and sustained no injuries, even though we can all agree doffy has superior haki. But I digress.
Yeah, I can say someone's closer if I compare it linearly. But I clearly gave a defined point of where his haki would be (Using WCI no less), somewhere between Dressona Doffy to WCI Katakuri. Its as nice and clean as that. Idc how big of a gap that is, it can be argued to be "near" big mom (thats extremely vague sounding), but I established a pretty sound argument for why it's less-than Katakuri.
That's fine. I didnt know How fishman karate worked, but from what Ive been able to tell with law, some of law's attacks can hurt people with superior haki.
Law's DF works just fine lmao, only thing that gets nerfed almost off the bat is his spatial slices, or moves that uses said slices, everything else from what I've seen is pretty much fair game with minor limitations.
And what would stop law from creating room, teleporting, get rid of old room, etc...? cant say his stamina is that bad, he's not a chain-smoker from the 80s...
Thats what I needed to see. Cause lets be honest, if the inside of the island was like 80% water, law would stand very minor chance, but it looks like there's a fair bit, atleast in that specific portion, for law to fight on land. also I dont wanna think about how Jinbe's ability would be boosted from being 'underwater' on the island while being on dry land, that makes my head hurt a little.
I haven't been trying to use wano, as per-request, but if X comes from Wano and you guys were using it, like the "cant teleport big mom" statement, then hey technically maybe law exchanged his haki for DF power, who knows honestly, we live in a world where Araki says some of the wackiest things for JoJo, I dont see why One Piece cant say the same. (Not saying this is the case, just saying its a possibility.)Like I said prior, his stamina isnt that of a chain-smoker from the 80s, he has quite a bit of strategy to get closer to jinbe. also, can jinbe see 1km away? Or do his projectiles just home-in? I know he did that shoulder-throw to BM but A. Gravity was put into his throw and B. Unsure of how far away from the boat he was when he did that tbh. (I am unsure distance wise.)
Well when law gets behind him, he could do about anything he could do from the side of him, or infront of him, etc. All that matters is the range.
Couldnt law use this to his advantage? Bigger foes means bigger spots of vulnerability.
A. that caramel throw he did, or whatever that brown-ish tinged fluid was, shows that the Karate can, and I appreciate the linking to the inside of the island, the outside had helped me absolutely 0 from the way I was looking at it.
This is correct. The point of the post wasnt to show how Law would win, it was to show how Jinbe isnt that much better. From what ya'll were painting it, Law could do nothing against jinbe, and what he could do wasnt feasible to happen. Which that sounds more like a stomp in just character logistics than anything else. the point of that post was to de-value Jinbe's abilitys that ya'll kept hyping while trying to say what I know to be true, while ask about what I was unsure about (like the interior of the island, what type of exact 'fluid' is required for the statistics boost he gets, etc.)
Again, my point is to argue how he could win by showing jinbe's strength, not what he "could be at", like you've been doing when you bring up BM or Akainu.
Ive already stated the reasons law can win with absolutely nothing changing that. All Ive been doing is downproving your jinbe statments.Well... Just wasted my time... I won't reply anymore because you can't say anything new or a reason why law wins... I'll just recommend you watch one piece before you reply because even people who has had alot of time invested in one piece are confused and still don't know what they're saying
And Im suprised you "recommend I watch one piece before I reply" because A. Manga > Anime, not gonna waste half my life on that filler, and B. I have been searching aswell, I've learned more about one piece researching how bad Jinbe is than anything else! So before you assume how much I've researched, you should just say that you dont like my points because thats your opinion.
Only reason he stayed conscious was to protect luffy. Which is why he was also on the operating table, trust me if he was 100% fine he would've been like zoros and kept that wound for mental strength aswell. :/
Maybe you should read the next portion before trying to represent like I didnt show anything, but ya know, I'll say it here too
cause apparently you like mis-representing details;
the last part literally says "as Law bypassed Vergo's Haki and bifurcated him easily by using his Devil Fruit technique, although it is unknown if Law used his own Haki to overcome Vergo's Haki." It's unknown. Simple as that. Some can say law did, some can say law didn't.
Shouldn't have brought up smoker 'cause now you're gonna buckle down and use it against me. Anyways, from those two links, it looks like the shockwaves are pretty visible, anything stopping Law from using shambles? 'Cause you cant say they would hit before ROOM is created either, doubt law would let him make a pose before that lol.
Damn you're not even hiding it anymore, not even trying to provide a link or anything for this claim lmao. From what I know, we've never seen the sword break. Period. So technically I could be extreme and say it scales to Big Mom+, but that would be illogical and unfair.
Really? I showed how Jinbe is inbetween Katakuri or Doffy, NOT equal to Big mom or Akainu. Comparing his feats against Big mom to Big mom is a exaggeration. Taking my messages out of context is not painting a reliable picture for you in my honest opinion.
I dont see why you're trying to say law gained that much between the time... I really dont see any valid argument for that... some training? Maybe, but realistically the only change I see is adding Curtain to his moveset, which is why I myself haven't said he could use it, 'cause at this point he didn't have it. In that argument I could say dressona law is weaker than wano usopp, just doesnt make sense to say something like that.
Quote from that 2nd link; "And Smoker's point is brought up again when Vergo fights Law, referring to how Haki can block Law's abilities." What does that say? CAN, not WILL. Doffy had superior haki and STILL got affected by other attacks other than spatial slashes. Wait, what does that 1st link say as an example? "The Spatial Slashes of the Ope Ope no Mi are offensive abilities, which have been stated on canon to be resisted." Huh. what does he say there? "to be resisted" not "immediately immune upon applying haki" like I said prior, its unknown if Law used his haki to hurt Vergo, so it would be misleading for me to say "X" for either. But its fair to use either possibility as an idea. These links don't show me ANYTHING without scrolling through the entire thread, which I myself will not be doing due to not caring enough, if you want to show me a specific point about Gamma Knife, Countershock, or Injectionshot, all attacks that hurt doffy cough cough, then feel free to do so.
Thats valid, but has anyone got out of his AoE attack of shockwaves? If so, Law could do it himself with Shambles. If not, then I guess law would have to find some way to surprise Jinbe, which is possible, to get a hit on him.
That is not true. Doffy had superior haki, did he outright win against it? No. Infact, thinking about it, Law used his haki against one of Doffy's attack and sustained no injuries, even though we can all agree doffy has superior haki. But I digress.
Yeah, I can say someone's closer if I compare it linearly. But I clearly gave a defined point of where his haki would be (Using WCI no less), somewhere between Dressona Doffy to WCI Katakuri. Its as nice and clean as that. Idc how big of a gap that is, it can be argued to be "near" big mom (thats extremely vague sounding), but I established a pretty sound argument for why it's less-than Katakuri.
That's fine. I didnt know How fishman karate worked, but from what Ive been able to tell with law, some of law's attacks can hurt people with superior haki.
Law's DF works just fine lmao, only thing that gets nerfed almost off the bat is his spatial slices, or moves that uses said slices, everything else from what I've seen is pretty much fair game with minor limitations.
And what would stop law from creating room, teleporting, get rid of old room, etc...? cant say his stamina is that bad, he's not a chain-smoker from the 80s...
Thats what I needed to see. Cause lets be honest, if the inside of the island was like 80% water, law would stand very minor chance, but it looks like there's a fair bit, atleast in that specific portion, for law to fight on land. also I dont wanna think about how Jinbe's ability would be boosted from being 'underwater' on the island while being on dry land, that makes my head hurt a little.
I haven't been trying to use wano, as per-request, but if X comes from Wano and you guys were using it, like the "cant teleport big mom" statement, then hey technically maybe law exchanged his haki for DF power, who knows honestly, we live in a world where Araki says some of the wackiest things for JoJo, I dont see why One Piece cant say the same. (Not saying this is the case, just saying its a possibility.)Like I said prior, his stamina isnt that of a chain-smoker from the 80s, he has quite a bit of strategy to get closer to jinbe. also, can jinbe see 1km away? Or do his projectiles just home-in? I know he did that shoulder-throw to BM but A. Gravity was put into his throw and B. Unsure of how far away from the boat he was when he did that tbh. (I am unsure distance wise.)
Well when law gets behind him, he could do about anything he could do from the side of him, or infront of him, etc. All that matters is the range.
Couldnt law use this to his advantage? Bigger foes means bigger spots of vulnerability.
A. that caramel throw he did, or whatever that brown-ish tinged fluid was, shows that the Karate can, and I appreciate the linking to the inside of the island, the outside had helped me absolutely 0 from the way I was looking at it.
This is correct. The point of the post wasnt to show how Law would win, it was to show how Jinbe isnt that much better. From what ya'll were painting it, Law could do nothing against jinbe, and what he could do wasnt feasible to happen. Which that sounds more like a stomp in just character logistics than anything else. the point of that post was to de-value Jinbe's abilitys that ya'll kept hyping while trying to say what I know to be true, while ask about what I was unsure about (like the interior of the island, what type of exact 'fluid' is required for the statistics boost he gets, etc.)
Again, my point is to argue how he could win by showing jinbe's strength, not what he "could be at", like you've been doing when you bring up BM or Akainu.
I proved that WCI Jinbe is between Dressona Doffy and WCI Katakuri, even if that VS battle was in awakening mode (And the final score was 7-4 in Katakuri's favor, showing that it was kinda similar to this battle in scoring, 6-4 I think, idk if the vote counter has been updated.), I dont see how the argument could be blocked. Then again, I dont know what the explicit difference in power is between awakening and non-awakening.
Ive already stated the reasons law can win with absolutely nothing changing that. All Ive been doing is downproving your jinbe statments.
anyone who decides to vote after this, sorry to say this but the burden of proof is on you ig. if you wanna vote for jinbe or law, I recommend using your prior knowledge or comparing the fights like I did. At this point, I most-likely wont care about this thread and Ive shown how law could win originally and now I just have to show how bad Jinbe is compared to how much they're hyping him up.
kudos, M1keyOnDiscord
... Also hyping up jinbe? Nothing I said was hyping up jinbe... I literally just told you what he did and can do. Also luffy who has much better observation haki than law couldn't dodge jinbe's Fishman karate...
Excuse me it's not just Fluffy, it's "Sir Fluffy the Second".
Just saying, I dont think they would fight underwater, because Jinbe (in-Character) seems like hes a very morally right person, for example, he could've went after Big-mom After using vegabond Drill and tried to get her stuck underwater thus killing her off, but he didnt. Same with the shoulder throw, nothing stopped him from continuously attacking underwater but he instead came to the surface. I think he would do something similar here against law. Trust me if Law & Jinbe are forced underwater, which very obviously there is land for Law and Jinbe to fight on, then I would say this was a stomp due to law having not-as-good mobility underwater alone, let alone everything else like his inability to breathe underwater like Jinbe can.Just wanna say... That this was a lowkey stomp to jinbe once I knew they were fighting underwater. Law would need to slice all the water or teleport to survive which would already be a huge disadvantage... Also you again said nothing useful and said some wrong stuff but... Well I'm done with this, you are clearly not listening. Wrote all that for nothing
Incon... Really
there is no way this is incon... He literally tried to punch big mom into the water... He didn't afterwards because she now knows what he's going to do and she is much stronger than jinbe... Jinbe has so many ways to win... While Law might have 2-3 maybe wins...
So, voting Incon?
No, My vote is still On Law, I was just pointing out his viewpoint on the 'jinbe goes into water = stomp' argument.
No I meant jinbe just Drowning law by spam throwing water... Like this
But if we let it cool down to Wano, wouldn't it be "necro"?
Yes, I even considered waiting for Wano to run out as a lot of the comments used Wano's feats for a Dressrosa key.
A vote cannot be counted without a wincon, right? How is this possible?
Understood.
