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Trafalgar Law vs Jinbe

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Trafalgar Water D. Law VS Jinbe​

Law: 4 (@Ryuga21, @ThanatosX, @M1keyOnDiscord, @Sonicflare9)
Jinbe: 7 (@MonkeyOfLife, @KingTempest, @NomsNoms, @FluffyCreatureZ, @KingAllen30, @Eminiteable, @StrawHatArslan)
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Voting jinbe via Stronger Haki (resisting law's devil fruit abilities), Limited Durability Negation and Shockwave Generation with Fishman Karate, Much more experienced, and Stronger Durability (with Haki) link
 
Voting Law via teleportation, Curtain (Which Jinbe can't do anything to break since it blocked a Haimei Hakke), Multiple One-Shot Opportunities (Mes, Ganma Knife), and Injection Shot. Jinbe would hardly be able to use his distance to do anything against Law.
 
Ryuga21 said:
Voting Law via teleportation, Curtain (Which Jinbe can't do anything to break since it blocked a Haimei Hakke), Multiple One-Shot Opportunities (Mes, Ganma Knife), and Injection Shot. Jinbe would hardly be able to use his distance to do anything against Law.
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Doflamingo < Jinbe or =
 
Ryuga21 said:
Multiple One-Shot Opportunities (Mes, Ganma Knife)
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Haki.
Ryuga21 said:
Voting Law via teleportation, Curtain (Which Jinbe can't do anything to break since it blocked a Haimei Hakke), Multiple One-Shot Opportunities (Mes, Ganma Knife), and Injection Shot.
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Did all of those to doflamingo and barely did anything to him because of haki.
Which Jinbe can't do anything to break since it blocked a Haimei Hakke
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Know nothing about this.
 
Doflamingo isn't Jinbe when it comes to haki.

List their Haki feats to show who has superior haki
 
Jinbe's Haki was potent enough to block hits from Akainu who has the strongest devil fruit in the series.

Jinbe has better buso feats
 
Law is a far more versatile fighter, with many abilities that ignores durability and haxes that garant him an almost complete control of the fighting area.

Meanwhile Jimbe is a mainly physical fighter, which puts him in a huge disavantage against an enemy like him.

My vote goes to Trafalgar.
 
ThanatosX said:
Law is a far more versatile fighter, with many abilities that ignores durability and haxes that garant him an almost complete control of the fighting area.

Meanwhile Jimbe is a mainly physical fighter, which puts him in a huge disavantage against an enemy like him.

My vote goes to Trafalgar.
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Just so you know... Haki can block devil fruit attacks... While he is more versatile... It won't matter if his haki isn't strong enough... Even if he is a little behind jinbe in haki, it will still be a very big challenge for law to do anything since jinbe's internal water attacks will hurt (quite alot). Plus let's not forget Jinbe was a warlord same with Doflamingo and fought Akainu, Big Mom and more... He is much more experienced... So jinbe downgrading to fight law will be much easier than fighting Big mom or Akainu.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Just so you know... Haki can block devil fruit attacks... While he is more versatile... It won't matter if his haki isn't strong enough... Even if he is a little behind jinbe in haki, it will still be a very big challenge for law to do anything since jinbe's internal water attacks will hurt (quite alot). Plus let's not forget Jinbe was a warlord same with Doflamingo and fought Akainu, Big Mom and more... He is much more experienced... So jinbe downgrading to fight law will be much easier than fighting Big mom or Akainu.
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So, to defeat Trafalgar, is it enough just to have a superior Busoshoku Haki?

I always thought I needed a few more factors.
 
Voting Law FRA.
Even if someone can "Resist" Devil fruits or withstand them, Law seems like he has the advantage with weapons like the Gamma Knife.
 
Let's act like Gamma knife doesn't need super close range

Jinbe for more frequent internal damage and superior fighting skill, plus superior busoshoku
 
KingTempest said:
Let's act like Gamma knife doesn't need super close range

Jinbe for more frequent internal damage and superior fighting skill, plus superior busoshoku
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I see no why how the "super close range" case is required to be made.
Law can make a ROOM, manipulate jinbe however he pleases while being in that room such as, I dont know, forcing him to be stationary? afaik the room has no limitations on what it can do, and if it does I would like to be aware of them cause the clips I've seen of it do pretty wacky things that would definitely give him time to use it on Jinbe.
 
Also what he does in character is what this website uses not what he can do or is able to do...
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
That won't work against someone who has stronger haki... Law can't teleport big mom and kaido... why would making them stationary work?
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Currently delving into this whole argument of "stronger haki", im extremely unfamiliar with One Piece, seemed like a pretty open-shut case with abilities but ig there's a ranking system with haki, so I personally am gonna delve into this so that way I can make a more concise argument.
MonkeyOfLife said:
Also what he does in character is what this website uses not what he can do or is able to do...
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I purely went based off-of what I saw on this wiki, as-in the moves and abilities listed. So I don't know what you mean by the "is what this website uses" trying to imply I stated something not on the power list (I also watched some YT clips of his various attacks in action so I dont mis-read something.)
MonkeyOfLife said:
No he can manipulate around him... Or himself... Not jinbe since he has stronger haki
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My 1st quote tweet covers this. Im gonna dive into what it means to have a stronger haki, because VSB does a terrible job explaining it because afaik from this wiki, the only haki that would be "stronger" is Conqueror's Haki from what I could gather on this wiki. So, gonna take a step back, and delve into it. Im not revoking my vote though, since I dont understand the whole "stronger haki" when it doesnt really seem like much could be stronger than Mr. Surgeon over here.
 
M1keyOnDiscord said:
Currently delving into this whole argument of "stronger haki", im extremely unfamiliar with One Piece, seemed like a pretty open-shut case with abilities but ig there's a ranking system with haki, so I personally am gonna delve into this so that way I can make a more concise argument.

I purely went based off-of what I saw on this wiki, as-in the moves and abilities listed. So I don't know what you mean by the "is what this website uses" trying to imply I stated something not on the power list (I also watched some YT clips of his various attacks in action so I dont mis-read something.)

My 1st quote tweet covers this. Im gonna dive into what it means to have a stronger haki, because VSB does a terrible job explaining it because afaik from this wiki, the only haki that would be "stronger" is Conqueror's Haki from what I could gather on this wiki. So, gonna take a step back, and delve into it. Im not revoking my vote though, since I dont understand the whole "stronger haki" when it doesnt really seem like much could be stronger than Mr. Surgeon over here.
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Link and link
 
M1keyOnDiscord said:
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After doing my research, Nothing states law could not use his room big mom... except she has Conqueror's Haki... which is a 1 in a million haki.

You know what Jinbe doesn't have? Conqueror's Haki.

Yes, Law could theoretically use his room against big mom, however capturing someone of that magnitude would be fairly taxing on his stamina, and using his typical move, shambles, on big mom, for example, would be the only move he could only play reasonably against someone nearly 30 ft tall. (Jinbe is only ~10 ft btw.)

I see now valid argument bringing up big mom other than Jinbe was able to tank AN attack from her.
Am I down-playing his durability? No. Im saying he isn't big mom. No Conqueror's haki.
Gamma knife was able to fatally wound someone Law normally stood no chance against due to their insane regen, not durability.
I see no valid argument towards jinbe at this point other than if he had better stamina with his haki than Law, which is not something I went on my quest to figure out what a "better" haki meant (which is irrelevant from what I gathered outside of what your haki does, or mainly what your devil fruit ability is when applicable.)
 
M1keyOnDiscord said:
After doing my research, Nothing states law could not use his room big mom... except she has Conqueror's Haki... which is a 1 in a million haki.

You know what Jinbe doesn't have? Conqueror's Haki.

Yes, Law could theoretically use his room against big mom, however capturing someone of that magnitude would be fairly taxing on his stamina, and using his typical move, shambles, on big mom, for example, would be the only move he could only play reasonably against someone nearly 30 ft tall. (Jinbe is only ~10 ft btw.)

I see now valid argument bringing up big mom other than Jinbe was able to tank AN attack from her.
Am I down-playing his durability? No. Im saying he isn't big mom. No Conqueror's haki.
Gamma knife was able to fatally wound someone Law normally stood no chance against due to their insane regen, not durability.
I see no valid argument towards jinbe at this point other than if he had better stamina with his haki than Law, which is not something I went on my quest to figure out what a "better" haki meant (which is irrelevant from what I gathered outside of what your haki does, or mainly what your devil fruit ability is when applicable.)
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Busoshoku (武装色) is Haki that strengthens one's offense and defense like armor. With it, it can defend them against a Devil Fruit users (悪魔の実) abilities while also allowing them to potentially strike back! (This is Armament haki... It has nothing to do with Conqueror's haki)
M1keyOnDiscord said:
I see now valid argument bringing up big mom other than Jinbe was able to tank AN attack from her.
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MonkeyOfLife said:
Are we forgetting about this? Link, link, link, link and link
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MonkeyOfLife said:
Link?
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Law was unable to cut through Doflamingo's usage of Busoshoku Haki, with the latter catching the former's sword and stopping Law's attack despite being inside of Law's ROOM.[20] Haki being used as a deterrent to this fruit's effects was further proven in the Wano Country Arc, where Law confirmed he was unable to displace either Big Mom or Kaido around due to their far superior Haki.[21] (Not trying to spoil myself)
M1keyOnDiscord said:
I see no input those links have in the whole "lol he has better haki insta win" argument I see you pushing besides saying law's spatial slashes can be resisted.
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It's lol he has stronger haki it gets resisted...
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Busoshoku (武装色) is Haki that strengthens one's offense and defense like armor. With it, it can defend them against a Devil Fruit users (悪魔の実) abilities while also allowing them to potentially strike back! (This is Armament haki... It has nothing to do with Conqueror's haki)



Law was unable to cut through Doflamingo's usage of Busoshoku Haki, with the latter catching the former's sword and stopping Law's attack despite being inside of Law's ROOM.[20] Haki being used as a deterrent to this fruit's effects was further proven in the Wano Country Arc, where Law confirmed he was unable to displace either Big Mom or Kaido around due to their far superior Haki.[21] (Not trying to spoil myself)

It's lol he has stronger haki it gets resisted...
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  • can defend, not always (and def. isn't an insta win like ur portraying it)
  • Law DOES hurt doflamingo without explicitly spoiling info, which quite-literally counters that argument.
  • "It's lol he has stronger haki it gets resisted..." doesn't explicitly mean he just flat-out can cancel his haki.

Also comparing big mom, kaido and doflamingo to Jinbe is a joke. Not only did the former 3 have Devil Hearts, they also had Conqueror's Haki. I really dont see how you can even remotely compare them to Jinbe because he defended AN attack from big mom.
 
Is there ANY way to tell how better your haki has to be to resist laws abilities? Because Doffy>Law yet shambles gamma knife etc still worked on him. Even you say jinbei>Doffy he certainly isnt BM or kaido
Also law should be able to avoid alot of jinbeis attacks because he can still use shambles on himself
 
Kidkinsey said:
Is there ANY way to tell how better your haki has to be to resist laws abilities? Because Doffy>Law yet shambles gamma knife etc still worked on him. Even you say jinbei>Doffy he certainly isnt BM or kaido
Also law should be able to avoid alot of jinbeis attacks because he can still use shambles on himself
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THANK YOU.


This is Exactly what I was trying to get across. I dont see how you can sit here with a straight face and compare BM and kaido to Jinbei.
Especially seeing how shambles is applicable on himself 24/7 from what I can tell.
 
M1keyOnDiscord said:
THANK YOU.


This is Exactly what I was trying to get across. I dont see how you can sit here with a straight face and compare BM and kaido to Jinbei.
Especially seeing how shambles is applicable on himself 24/7 from what I can tell.
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M1keyOnDiscord said:
  • can defend, not always (and def. isn't an insta win like ur portraying it)
  • Law DOES hurt doflamingo without explicitly spoiling info, which quite-literally counters that argument.
  • "It's lol he has stronger haki it gets resisted..." doesn't explicitly mean he just flat-out can cancel his haki.

Also comparing big mom, kaido and doflamingo to Jinbe is a joke. Not only did the former 3 have Devil Hearts, they also had Conqueror's Haki. I really dont see how you can even remotely compare them to Jinbe because he defended AN attack from big mom.
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When did I say any of this?
MonkeyOfLife said:
Voting jinbe via Stronger Haki (resisting law's devil fruit abilities), Limited Durability Negation and Shockwave Generation with Fishman Karate, Much more experienced, and Stronger Durability (with Haki) link
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How is this portraying an insta win? (I literally don't even like jinbe that much)
M1keyOnDiscord said:
Law DOES hurt doflamingo without explicitly spoiling info, which quite-literally counters that argument.
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did law Hurt doflamingo while using armament haki? 🤔 link law teleported and surprised doflamingo while doflamingo was fighting luffy... Link
Kidkinsey said:
Because Doffy>Law yet shambles gamma knife etc still worked on him
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Gamma knife was a surprise attack same with shambles...
Kidkinsey said:
Even you say jinbei>Doffy he certainly isnt BM or kaido
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Never did I say he was
Kidkinsey said:
Also law should be able to avoid alot of jinbeis attacks because he can still use shambles on himself
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MonkeyOfLife said:
No he can manipulate around him... Or himself... Not jinbe since he has stronger haki
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