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what is his 2.5 teratons ap scaling from?
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Tower of God General Discussion Thread Part 5
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Scales to Cheonhee
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and what does cheonhee scale to? gimmie feats
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Scales to 1/2 Post Spirit Room White's Bamboo Spear Bulldoze, which was 5 Teratons, on account of how he had absorbed the souls of both De Sah and De Jah, who were High Rankers
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oh ok makes sense
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Honestly, I don't know why we would scale 1% Urek to Karaka's durability, as the rapper was using his index finger, which still nearly one-shot Karaka and obliterated half of his body, and the only reason Karaka survived was his regeneration and stamina, and how @ImNot4nUser said, Urek's finger attack was something more concentrated than a beam like Rose Shower and the fact that Karaka wasn't completely destroyed was more due to the fact the small Area of Effect from the Mr. Finger's attack than anything else, if Urek had used a punch the story would have been different, and even Karaka himself said that there's no way he can defeat even a single one of 1% Urek's fingers
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that is fair.
We would still have to scale HJ to >5% as he managed to force Urek to use that level of power. If the new calc gets made and accepted and applied, HJ would be super high-ranker level at 58+ teratons
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Ehhh... that's pretty much the same situation as the @ElajRuengies , Urek was unable to use shinsoo at the moment and that would be just his raw strength (Hell Joe activated The Zero Area some minutes before Urek appeared and it was just deactivated after Urek defeated him), and Hell Joe scaling to 58 Teratons makes no sense, as 10% of Urek without shinsoo scared him and was stronger than him, whose AP is 29 Teratons, also, Urek was not trying to really harm, defeat or kill Hell Joe, as Urek didn't land any blow/attack on him until he injected the special drug that could separate Hell Joe from Red Thryssa, but when he did this, a single punch from Urek easily knocked him out, separating Red Thryssa from his body and casually killing the creature.
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You also have the statement saying that he was an enemy that exceeded division commander level
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And this still is an issue
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I mean, Baam didn't it start to burn souls after the usage of his Power of Souls Form? As his Base form was stated to be definitely stronger than a Ranker (Chapter 489) while his previous Base form just can match them (His previous fight with Pan and the Ranker named "R"), and during chapter 490, we can see the souls flowing through Baam's body like White did during his fight with EoB Kallavan
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@Arceus0x
By the way, how many stuff do you put in the CRT you will do? I know you will put the High 6-A for God Tiers (in addition to the 9 Petatons calc, I remember that @ElajRuengies also made a calc that put the AP of Enryu and the Administrators in the 11 Petatons house, actually the original calc was out of 22 Petatons, but as it was performed with the combined might of Enryu and the 43rd Administrator, it had to be split in two, the only problem is that it hasn't been rated yet), 6-A for the Top Tiers (1.1 Petatons), the redo of the Hell Trainc calc, Class M LS that with the multipliers of Redan and a chain scaling that will make some characters have Class G LS, Hoaqin's Resistance to Empathic Manipulation and what else are you going to add?
By the way, how many stuff do you put in the CRT you will do? I know you will put the High 6-A for God Tiers (in addition to the 9 Petatons calc, I remember that @ElajRuengies also made a calc that put the AP of Enryu and the Administrators in the 11 Petatons house, actually the original calc was out of 22 Petatons, but as it was performed with the combined might of Enryu and the 43rd Administrator, it had to be split in two, the only problem is that it hasn't been rated yet), 6-A for the Top Tiers (1.1 Petatons), the redo of the Hell Trainc calc, Class M LS that with the multipliers of Redan and a chain scaling that will make some characters have Class G LS, Hoaqin's Resistance to Empathic Manipulation and what else are you going to add?
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Thinking of that hell trai recal
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Also, I realized that Cheonhee resisted Ha Satcha's Sleep Manipulation via Supernatural Willpower, this resistance could scale to some characters? As Cheonhee's willpower is not even comparable to that of Jinsung, Kallavan and other High Rankers even at her level
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Alright so I sorta slipped up in two ways with this-
First of all I misread my old blog- the estimates are 18.3 and 191.5 million cubic km, not thousand
But second of all, that's the volume for the entirety of Nest's borders (including the massive amounts of empty space between the walls), not the volume of just the walls.
Gonna have to like, use the volumes of concentric square prisms in order to solve for the volume of just the walls, so gimme a bit. (I have no idea of what the output is gonna be.)
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When did Yasratcha say that even a hundred of them wouldn't be able to beat Traumerei? Because I'm estimating the new ends of this calc, and that statement might actually be literally true (that's with pulverization, NOT vaporization)- the new diameter of Nest is around a fourth the length of an entire Floor...
For reference these are the calc images.
For reference these are the calc images.
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This chapter here when Yasratcha said that: https://www.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/tower-of-god/season-3-ep-120/viewer?title_no=95&episode_no=538
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Why do I have a sensation that regardless of whether it's pulverization, vaporization, Low-End or High-End, the new version of the calc from Traumerei destroying the whole Nest is going to be High 6-A?
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Likely because it's only 0.435 Petatons away from being the case. Here's the blog- 4 Petatons / Continent level+.
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This is just pulverization right? If it's in the case of vaporizing the whole Nest, it will undoubtedly be High 6-A, but I just wonder how high it will be in this vast Tier
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Yep! And it'd be ~480 Petatons, which would be an outlier, even for a Family Head. (Over 100x baseline Multi-Continent level, but still more than a factor of 60 away from being Moon level.
Long Tier is Looooong)
Anyways, given how Traumerei dusting Nest is a casual feat, we might be able to literally use Yasratcha's dialogue as a multiplier and scale Traumerei to 100x Complete Beastification Yasratcha
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I agree, the 480 Petatons seems to be a Outlier (unless someone in this thread makes a pretty convincing argument why we should use the High 6-A) and we should get rid of vaporization as an option to be accepted, right? Whereas Enryu and the Administrators at their full power could only perform just two feats of 9 Petatons and 11 Petatons (22 Petatons, which was divided by two) and they are beings that are considered the God Tiers and in an far, far level above even for the likes of Zahard, Urek and the 10 Family Heads, and knowing that Traumerei is not even one of the strongest Family Heads, can perform the feat which is 53.3x or 43.6x stronger than the full power of the verse's God Tiers is really weird, so the the correct way would be to use the pulverization that would be 6-A+ and that would make the scaling more consistent, right?
Also, Traumerei being 100x stronger than Complete Beastification Yasratcha would put in what Tier and what would be his AP?
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100% Correct, although I'm probably gonna redo the [Mountains, Buildings, and Seas] calc in the future in order to get one end instead of three. Also, given how the Administrators are capable of deciding the ecosystems and climate of the entire Floor (as can the Rulers, but they have their authority over the floor given by the Administrator), the 43rd Administrator should be capable of altering/destroying the oceans on its Floor by itself, meaning they scale to the full Floor Destruction.
(Also, Enryu was probably not using his full power given how he wasn't even scratched.)
Uhhhhh.... checks page baseline Country level+ times 100 = 5,350 Teratons / 5.35 Petatons, or baseline Multi Continent level. This is just an idea though, so I wonder what anyone else has to say about this proposal
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Interesting, and to be honest I hope the value that comes out from this calc is much higher than 480 Petatons, as that would make the High 6-A End no longer an Outlier
Ehhh... to be fair, I was looking at the translation from the Mangahelpers site (which are way more reliable than the LINE translations) to check out the hundred times thing was legitimate, since the LINE translation is often very bad, and this is a translation error, actually what Yasratcha says is this: "Even if you and I had a million of people with us, we couldn't win anyway", this is most likely referring to a million people on the level of Yasratcha and Yama, as a million normal people wouldn't make sense in the context of the scene and situation, but I could be wrong, so I think the 100x proposal has to be discarded
Which is still right, since 4 Petatons of AP is already more than enough to Traumerei easily defeat or kill a million of people at the level of Yasratcha and Yama (whose Tiers are 6-B) and he has the range to to it.
Here the translation's page: https://mangahelpers.com/forum/threads/tower-of-god-chapter-537-spoilers-discussion.3022724/
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We'll see, although I wouldn't my breath (assuming we don't get some across-floor Kinetic Energy feat in the future)
Ah I see (LINE's poor translation strikes again!)- Tower of God having folk at 6-A+ again is still pretty good though!
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I mean, it costs nothing to dream, right?
F@$k Yeah!!! 6-A+ ToG is back and on top of that in a much higher place in the Tier!!!! And that would make ToG characters the strongest 6-A's of the site, even stronger than Post-Sage Centipede Garou and One Piece God Tiers!!!! Which makes the publicity of interest for ToG on this site higher!!
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Alright, I'm going to bed now, will see about getting the calc evaluated
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worthy of being my thousandth post ngl
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We have no idea, hell it could even mean atomization for all we know.
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It's clear that Traumerei could destroy the Nest from this statement, and turning everything to dust is a good lowball.
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Yeah he could definitely destroy the whole nest, how exactly we’re not sure. Although it reminds me of when Jahad basically deleted the Hidden Floor so this isn’t something new for Irregulars.
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first off, it was not Jahad, it was that special thingamajig that data Edan had that activated and erased everything
how exactly?
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It was Data Eduan who deleted the Hidden Floor when he swallowed the Format Pill which was an Existence Erasure hax on a Continental scale that Data Gustang had created
And literally, we know how Traumerei was going to destroy the Nest, he simply threatened to cause a massive explosion with his Shinwonryu that would make the whole Nest disappear
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[Big Shinwonryu Go Kaboom]
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nah like, what exactly decides that he is going to destroy it all and not just make all living beings disappear? it's not that im against this, i am just asking question that could be asked by those who aren't knowledgeable in this verse
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Also this means that Hell Joe is now like 200 teratons.
Considering there are many people above him this would suggest that there are actual people besides the 10FH and that once princess who are High 6-B.
Also, i've been thinking of scaling Zahard and Urek to "At least 6-A" as they are notably above the family heads. Urek is stated to be capable of soloing a whole family and we know that even the second strongest FH, Arie Hon, lost to Zahard continuously.
Also, if what you're saying is true and the nest is like a fourth of the floor, wouldn't this upgrade floor size since, despite the nest being that big, you still couldn't see the edges of the floor OR the inner floor from it?
Considering there are many people above him this would suggest that there are actual people besides the 10FH and that once princess who are High 6-B.
Also, i've been thinking of scaling Zahard and Urek to "At least 6-A" as they are notably above the family heads. Urek is stated to be capable of soloing a whole family and we know that even the second strongest FH, Arie Hon, lost to Zahard continuously.
Also, if what you're saying is true and the nest is like a fourth of the floor, wouldn't this upgrade floor size since, despite the nest being that big, you still couldn't see the edges of the floor OR the inner floor from it?
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