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Tower of God General Discussion Thread Part 5

What f#@k SIU????? Is it really hard to let Baam have a clean win in 1 vs 1 combat without any outside help? Seriously, AA and Rak even after witnessing Baam's power they still think he need help, lol, even the ToG folks Reddit is so salty with this chapter and they really don't like what SIU did, Baam's only clean victory ever ToG so far has been against Kaiser, and I don't even count the Data Zahard fight because that was more of a draw than anything else
 
CYCLOHEXANE-2 said:
Okay, looks like the Baam VS White fight has finally come up on Webtoon, so there should be no more spoilers. Can we put in the key for True Self Mode V2 Baam now?
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I mean, the fight has just started (assuming Bam's sneak attack didn't just one-shot White), so there's still plenty of potential spoilers. (Also, why was this message spoilered? I mean I'm glad it was nothing bc I accidentally hit reply and saw it but still)

On S3 Ch 87, since I'm free (kinda; I have college admission stuff to fill out before November 1st), I can talk about it!

1. That was a pretty short chapter but I'm not complaining; I heard that SIU ended up in the hospital again (albeit briefly) a bit ago, which is seriously concerning...
2. Line honestly cannot make up their minds about whether it's "A Dark Twist" or "A Dark Change"...
3. Kallavan finally makes another appearance! Also-
McCage: [If one more of your teammates comes to the field, you'll be able to jump... and reach the finish line.]
Kallavan: ...I see. That's not a very easy requirement for me to meet right now.
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Considering that 95% of his teammates got proxy-bombed by Lyborick... yeah ouch.
4. Wow that is a big portal- and the step-by-step zoom-out as Lyborick says "We're just nothing in comparison" as he gets too small to see fits perfectly. Also more Zahard hype!
5. There are some LONG CAT panels in this chapter, goodness
6. Bam's doing mad finger tricks; looks like he's trying to do lightning redirection from Avatar
7. Shinwonryu can even hurt Prime White, which makes sense considering that even Kallavan swatted away Bam's shinwonryu way back when. (Although White doesn't actually seem to be visibly injured, or even scratched, so does it just bruise him?)
8. [Reverse Flow Control, GG no Re] strikes again! (Although for some reason Bam doesn't follow it up with a Flare Wave, prolly wasn't enough time to get into position)
9. If [Cartwheel/Backflip Mastery] is a power here then Bam definitely has it
10. Is White fighting Bam seriously here? I don't see why he wouldn't be- but if so then TSM Bam's got Country level durability, even though he's only hurting White with the shinwonryu (and the sneak attack maybe?) Enryu's Stone Wall Bam vision is coming truer by the week

TSM Bam's 2nd key, or "Post-Internal Line Glow TSM Bam" / "Post-Pouting TSM Bam" / "TSM Bam V2" (prolly the best name until I can figure out a name for whatever happened inside Bam) just friggin decupled in durability from what it was before.

It took Bam several years to go from top of E-Rank Regular to Elite Ranker level when using all powers
It took Bam two years to go from Elite Ranker level when using all powers, to Low Ranker level in Base and Average High Ranker level when using most of his powers
And now it took Bam like, an hour to go from Average High Ranker level when using most of his powers to Top 300-ish level when using of his powers...

If this exponential growth keeps up, he might be able to fight Lo Po Bia Garfunkel when he evitably shows up
 
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ElajRuengies said:
10. Is White fighting Bam seriously here? I don't see why he wouldn't be- but if so then TSM Bam's got Country level durability, even though he's only hurting White with the shinwonryu (and the sneak attack maybe?) Enryu's Stone Wall Bam vision is coming truer by the week
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In that stage he should scale to 14 teratons, and btw, this is only the beginning of Bam reactive power level madness...
 
Honestly, I think this TSM Baam should have solid 6-B Durability due to being able to withstand slashes from this White without much damage, and Likely 6-B or Possibly 6-B AP, I prefer Likely 6-B, since this Baam is performing much better than any Division Commander who fought this White and even traded blows with him despite being weaker

Furthermore, this White is stronger than the White who was beating a restrained EoB Kallavan due to the Flagship explosion that killed a High Ranker and several Rankers

Also, I think we should call current TSM Baam as: "Post-Souls Boost True Self Mode", since the souls are apparently the main reason why Baam is this strong now besides Reactive Power Level (gosh, Baam closed a gap of almost 7 times of power in just a few minutes)
 
ElajRuengies said:
...How many chapters are raws ahead of non Fastpass release again? This sounds like it's gonna be a long fight
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We are at chap 511 you are at chap 504... We are 7 chapters ahead. Give up you can't defeat the urge
Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
I prefer Likely 6-B
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Yes, Likely 6B is what I decided too: see here. I said x14 but it's x16 gap

btw, at the end did we agree on shinwonryu ignoring dura, or it is just an attack of his which scales higher than him(before everythin going on ofc)
Because:
  • Base Form Baam(6C) using shinwonryu made sleeping Yama react, which he only does against threats.
  • Made Kallavan React.(Low 6B Bam, Pre-Soul Burning TSM+Thorn)
  • Made White be wary(Likely 6B: No spoiler current Bam aka Post-Soul Burning True Self Mode+Thorn).
Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
Post-Souls Boost True Self Mode
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I like the Post-Souls part, but I don't know the "Boost" part.
 
Honestly, I believe that Shinwonryu is a dura negation technique, also, another example is Post-Revolution Baam and Data Zahard fight, TSM Baam even with a straight Piercing Technique only was able to break half of Data Zahard's mask and sent him flying despite being a powerful Piercing Technique with several layers of Dura Negation, but in his Base form before that, he was able to slightly harm him and made a cut on his hand with Shinwonryu while Data Zahard was using the same amount of power on both occasions, so I think its a Dura Negation technique and the other examples you showed just reinforce that

Also, for new TSM Baam, you think its name should be "Post-Souls Burning True Self Mode" is good?
 
New Blog (here)- It's the energy required to Destroy Madoraco's Warship, and the output ends are ~140 Gigatons to ~200 Gigatons, or Large Island level, although I may look at it again later to BS the values higher.

SIU states that any High Ranker should be able to destroy the ship easily, meaning this would scale to all below-Division Commander High Rankers with an "At least" tacked on.

The only exception to this is Lefav, as she specifically states her other skills are "weaker than regular High Rankers", and after one shot she's even "weaker than an ordinary Ranker". Although "weaker than regular High Rankers" could still mean Advanced Ranker level, I'm not sure where to place her.

Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
Also, for new TSM Baam, you think its name should be "Post-Souls Burning True Self Mode" is good?
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I think all of Bam's Pre Souls-Burning keys should be merged but just separated with a heck ton of commas, and so he'll have two keys-
[Start of Season 3] and {Post Souls Burning]
 
So now if this calc is accepted, the AP of High Ranker who aren't Division Commanders will be like this: At least High 6-C, likely Low 6-B

Am I right?

Also, another calc to wait an eternity to be accepted

I was recently thinking about it too, Season 3 Baam's page really needs a makeover due to the boost of souls burning

If no one is against it, I can do it today or tomorrow

By the way, do we really need someone to accept the new version of the Hell Train calc? I mean, you just fix it, it's not like it's new calc or something else
 
Newest chapter came out... oh my...

- White tries going full of full power, but Rak's spear goes through him, causing him to end up finally being absorbed by Baam.
- Yama and Doom are about to start a rematch with Yasratcha.
 
Back for a while boys (kirby revisions, i decided to come back until they end)

Anyways new chapter


So White is dead. Ding dong the wicked slayer is dead. Cue the coffin dance. Anyways Rak needs to be around 6-B+ with ancient spear now for nuking White. We now have a power up for the main cast. Of course bam is getting stronger and stronger but we finally have Rak and Khun getting stronger as well which is exciting, i think i get why SIU put them in the last shot. Also i am glad that Bam didn't 1v1 White and win and needed help, it actually nerfs him down and shows that White had more to show. Now Bam at full power is around Khallavan level which means that...he's still weak. People act like he's the top of the crop but we haven't seen squat. Yes he is probably around top 300-200 and perhaps higher, but that doesn't mean jack when we have people in the tower who probably never registered in the rankings. There's a good chance that we will end up seeing more powerful people who aren't ranked. I mean, none of the slayers are ranked i think, except for Baam
of course
 
Arceus0x said:
Of course bam is getting stronger and stronger but we finally have Rak and Khun getting stronger as well which is exciting
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Disliked this
Arceus0x said:
Also i am glad that Bam didn't 1v1 White and win and needed help, it actually nerfs him down and shows that White had more to show.
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No. Not really, It does NOT nerf him down, he is overwhelmingly stronger this was just an absorbtion battle.
Arceus0x said:
Now Bam at full power is around Khallavan level which means that...he's still weak.
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Stronger*
Arceus0x said:
Yes he is probably around top 300-200 and perhaps higher
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100-50

Beeing disliking this chapters lately, somethings feels off, even SIU is off himself, maybe it's that, it doesn't feel right...
 
ImNot4nUser said:
Been disliking this chapters lately, somethings feels off, even SIU is off himself, maybe it's that, it doesn't feel right...
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Okay? I like them. Don't forget this is called a dark change. Have we seen a dark change? Not yet. So unless SIU got bored, something will happen and it might be rather surprising
 
Arceus0x said:
Okay? I like them.
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Cool, keep liking them.
Arceus0x said:
So unless SIU got bored
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Well, see by yourself, in my last part I talked in facts: "even SIU is off himself, maybe it's that, it doesn't feel right...", referring to this which also acknowledge the part I quoted in this message(the one im answering):
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Honestly, I'm dropping ToG, the amount of BS that happened in the last two chapters (actually, since Season 3 started I feel like ToG has taken a drop in quality), it looks like SIU has finally decided to get into the most thing I hate in Shounen, letting the main cast be the only ones to break the power hierarchy on the back just so they can shine via a shit of power-up only because they are the MC friends (just to say, I hates Baam's power-ups, and I will just leave him as exception to break the power hierarchy as he was destined for that as a Irregular), looking at you Black Clover and these two chapters were the trigger to abandon this webtoon

Lol, since when did Baam need help? He was easily overpowrring White to the point of forcing him to make him admit that Baam was stronger than him, and look that White is a very prideful bastard, it was just SIU once again making him need help when it wasn't needed, as he did with Daleet, also, Baam wasn't even close to use his full power and was able to do what EoB Kallavan couldn't, pressure White, and you still think Baam was weaker than him and only around his level? Were we reading the same fight? And you say Baam is likely around Top 300? Lol, the previous chapters show that even far from his full power, the Baam who overwhelmed White while was far away from using all he have, the same White who was stronger than himself who fought EoB Kallavan, who much stronger than his Base form, who was on par with Ha Jinsung, a Top 100 High Ranker

But what annoys me the most is the amount of people who are willing to accept and try to justify what happened in this chapter, the ToG fandom is really alienated to accept SIU's BS, I'm done

Also, look, good for the guys who liked this chapter, because I hate it, and look I really tried to like it and look at it with positive looks but I reached my limit, and I've defended a lot of ToG BS in the past, but everything has a limit

I'm dropping the webtoon ToG, this thread and anything related to ToG on this site, the explanation is in the spoiler tagged comment above if you don't care about spoilers, I'm already tired of ToG

It was good to discuss with you all these months, goodbye, I am going now to the MCU thread as I watched all the movies, with only the Disney+ MCU series to still watch
 
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HARD agree with the drop of quality since Season 3. agree with the powerup trope, Bam is supposed to be the one to get them, it's like SIU wants to make them(Rak and AA) ranker level so suddenly, it breaks the wroldbuilding he has been trying to create, the lore and sequence and logic sense.

Hard agree with the whole next paragraph.

And also agree with arceus partially, I won't drop it just because I dislike the decision it took. Also it's not an "L"(which is lmaoworthy) someone can have a set to watch or not, it's their likes, their decision and their way of enjoying stuff, he wants to drop it? fair then, we are not all the same, and someone taking a choice of their own is not an "L", by words like that is why ppl become an echochamber and lost their individuality to fit a mold of "I like this" just because it's the wide popular opinion or a new fashion/popular, enjoy things as you want to enjow them, and if by your sense, you don't enjoy it anymore? then that's also ok.
 
I do not mean an L in that way.

It's just weird to see a guy who nicknamed himself after a ToG character, was a massive force behind the ToG verse, was very knowledgeable in ToG community
suddenly quit everything related to it just because a rather small arc in the expanse of 500+ chapters ended up being underwhelming and wonky. Like I'd get it if SIU just decided "ah yes, lemme just change Bam's character into Kirito" and you decided to quit (I'd quit too) but it wasn't, it was just SIU saying "bruh I'm absolutely exhausted with this arc and battles where there's an eye-gasm every other panel. I need to finish it quick so i can take a breath and move on with the main plot."
Like bruh. Just bruh. I've nothing else to say.

This is basically the equivalent of one kirby game being wack with an underwhelming storyline and Efficiente just going "that's it, i am quitting Kirby, even though i created half the profiles and done most of the big upgrades. I'm never returning and i will never plan to".

Yes it is your choice to quit it, indeed. But that doesn't change the fact that i have the choice to think that that decicion is cringe.
 
I- uh, alright then
@Enryu_The_Red_Tower it was fun discussing with you- if that's your decision then I won't stop you or ask you to back up your reasons. See you in a different thread than this one!

@Arceus0x Glad to see you're back (Even if it's just until the Kirby Revisions end)

@ImNot4nUser I don't have anything specific to say to you, it just felt weird to tag the other two and not you as well

Admittedly the Ranker level buffs for Rak, Khun, and Hatz are off putting, but it isn't lore breaking, just ass-pully.

With that said, does Rachel come back as a Ranker seven chapters from now or something? (Yes or no question- no elaboration plz)
 
I came here with an apology about my cringe moment, my unnecessary aggression from yesterday and explaining why I left this webtoon, that outburst yesterday was yet another culmination of my ToG disappointments since the last half of the Last Station Arc up to the two last chapters that trigger my decision to drop this webtoon, as we know, ToG has had a drop in quality over these 3 years, but despite that, I still liked it, and besides, how should I say, do you know when you follow a manga/book/anime for so long that you feel obligated to read it through to make sure that the time spent on it wasn't wasted? That's what I had felt with ToG, plus the wonderful world-building SIU created made me feel attracted to this webtoon even though its writing was being average for some time (honestly, the post-retcon Baylord lore was trash for me, Yama was the only interesting thing in the Cage Arc anyway and I still like him), but I decided that I should stop following something I don't like and that it was more out of obligation than anything, that's not healthy in the long run.

As a gift of apology for my rude attitude, I will help you with anything and CRT related to chapter 1 to 512, but I can't say anything from 513 onwards due to my decision to drop, and I hope that I explained my decision properly. I know I helped ToG become a decent verse on this site by creating profiles, helping in CRTs, scalings and other stuffs, and obviously I don't regret it, those were times well spent if I tell the truth, I hope you guys understand my decision now
 
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Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
I came here with an apology about my cringe moment, my unnecessary aggression from yesterday and explaining why I left this webtoon, that outburst yesterday was yet another culmination of my ToG...
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Now that is a good response. I get your point. I now see the reasons why you dislike it. Personally... I agree in a way. I hope it returns to what it was before last station arc. Lately it became just a bunch of fights... I want more games man, more stakes, more lore. I feel that SIU might turn it around, in fact, I'll notify you if something interesting happens, some twist or turn. I still don't mind an action manga, there's not enough of these lately, it's all freaking romance like bruh have you seen the top comics of webtoon? ToG and UnOrdinary are the only ones getting by.

Anyways, i hope one day it'll be something you can like again. I'll notify you if sth cool happens. BTW do you have discord?
 
I read the new chapter in the form of a fan translated video... Amazing quotes...

"Evening you're mental"
"Duck color (laughs)"
"I am not afraid of dinner"
 
Pain_to12 said:
This is still vandalism, and it does not scale to bam actual AP at all, as bam himself said I will be using all my energy behind this attack. Reporting whoever did this
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ikr, and that was 24 Tera White, he didn't have Cullinan or any sword suchalike, despite being stronger because of flagship explosion and what not. He should be likely 6B as discussed before.
Edit: Anyways that seems too minuscule to be actually report worthy and go anywhere, aside of some warning and probably someone undoing the edits, that's all I foresee.
 
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ikr, and that was 24 Tera White, he didn't have Cullinan or any sword suchalike, despite being stronger because of flagship explosion and what not. He should be likely 6B as discussed before.
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Well this was the first time Bam would do anything like gathering all his energy and using it for one named attack so I don't really think it warrants anything tbh unless he does it over and over again and the only reason he did that was due to the gap between him and white
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Edit: Anyways that seems too minuscule to be actually report worthy and go anywhere, aside of some warning and probably someone undoing the edits, that's all I foresee.
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Oh the guy is known for vandalism and has previous warnings I think he would be banned
 
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