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Tower Of God General Discussion Part 2

It's just in case someone from us wants to make profile's for ToG fodders or secundary characters from now on, now that Baam has reached tier 6 sooner than we expected, though, even the top 5 strongest rank D regulars are High 7-C (scaling to 476 Kilotons), ie I think fodders or secondary caharcters who face a casual or contained Baam from now on should scale to be much stronger than 84 Kilotons or High 7-C baseline scaling from Baam (Hell Train Arc) with Thorn Boost
 
Baam in this chapter seemed to treat his opponents as nothing and greatly improved his Orb, and Baam's new Orb technique reminds me a lot of the green bubbles from Yuri and Baam was badass, tanked the attack from Bongso as if it were nothing
 
Incidentally, I used put the "True Self Mode" in the Baam profile when it activates the mode that has the blue and red horns, as it is clear that this is not a partially transformed using Thorn Ignition
 
Baam vs Data Zahard reminds me of Goku vs Jiren where both the protagonist was being stomped by the opponent at first but then gained a new form that can fight on a temporary with the suppressed enemy but end up being overpowered after the enemy gets a little more serious and the end the portagonistas end up gaining an improved transformation of the previous one thus causing great damage to their target and end up fighting on par as the opponent full power and tying with him in the end
 
Nah. Goku would've beat Jiren. And Baam beat Zahard imo.

But the Baam vs Zahard fight was far better. Unlike Goku, Baam didn't get his power up out of nowhere. I actually really loved how Baam got his power up (reminds me of some of my own characters).

Goku's battle, while somewhat hype, felt really undeserved. Like, Vegeta or Piccolo felt like they should've got that powerup more, to me. They work just as hard, if not harder. And Vegeta's character development is done better imo. Jiren was also kinda a bad antagonist, lol. Zahard is much better.

I like the hype battles in dbz and dbs. But that dbs storyline could use some serious work, lol.
 
Baam did not defeat Zahard, it was Zahard who admitted defeat and if it was a fight to the death, Baam would have been killed by Zahard's Leviathan at the end, since he had returned to base form after the clash between Triple Orb and Leviathan.

Yes, Zahard and Baam's fight is much better than Jiren vs Goku's, that's a fact. Yes, I know that the "True Self" hovering power was being built from the arc of the Dallar Arc, and Baam could always use thorn ignition since the end of the Battle Workshop, but he probably did not use it since just using the basic power of the thorn already made him tire fast.

Vegeta has always been better than Goku as a character in general (by drawing strength obviously), this has always been a fact
 
Oh. I thought they were both just floating there, lol.

Agreed. He probably legitimately didn't have the strength of self to use the power, since that was the entire power up in it of itself. Rather than copying other people's powers, he began to use his own. The "Twenty-Fifth Night Style." Splendid.

I'm glad you agree, lol.
 
Lol

Baam was also probably the only Irregular who awakened the power of true self, since Zahard and his companions sank into greed (with the exception of Arlene and V that I do not even know if they could use the power of true self), but it is a pity that Baam can not use the Twenth-Fifth Night Style and Baam Style in base form, the only power he can use at base that was his own power is Orb

lol
 
Do you think that if some Ranker like Yuri, Cheonhee, Sharon, Karaka, White (Depowered) or Dorian had been hit by Baam's attack instead of Kallavan, would they have survived and left with extreme injuries?
 
True. But we also haven't see all of what he can do in his current base.

I think they would've been injured. I'm not sure about heavily injured. Maybe moderately injured.
 
Yes, the current Baam Orb makes me wonder how colossal your Shinwonryu and Thorn-Enhanced attacks combined with the Orb might be today

Yes, but I think that if Karaka were in Kallavan's place he could have been potentially one-shotted by Baam
 
Yeah. Might be around the size of Zahard's cosmos.

I don't think so, lol. Especially not Karaka and his regen. Kallavan is a high ranker, and an especially durable one at that, but the damage Baam did to him was so miniscule that Kallavan literally didn't even feel it. It was a practically microscopic crack. I think a regular ranker taking that on would be moderately injured (or seriously injured if they're a weak ranker). But all the rankers you listed are fairly powerful for rankers.
 
Yep.

Well, yes, looking at your points I agree with you, but I still do not understand why people get angry when we say that Baam using First Thorn Ignition + True Self Mode + Black March is in High Ranker level, I mean we have several character quotations Low 6-B to 6-B (which has hundreds of thousands of years of experience) stating the incredible power of Baam in his output max that can rival a High Ranker
 
I disagree. I think Baam was a low mid tier ranker at that point. Definitely not a High ranker as in the top 100. He momentarily released enough power to leave a microscopic scratch on a higher ranker. But for one thing, that moment doesn't reflect his average strength that he normally displays. And two, leaving a mark so small on so utterly superior an opponent doesn't put Baam anywhere near that person's level. Saying he was equivalent to a high ranker in that moment is actually inaccurate even going by lore alone. I don't recall anyone saying that Baam's power output can rival that of a high ranker. No, the rankers were merely surprised that he could harm anyone that was even of ranker status period.
 
I did not want to say that Baam is in the top 100 High Ranker in his max output, but probably comparable to the Top 500. He had to use his strongest technique combined with his most powerful transformations up to that point to scratch Kallavan. Yes, since he is only High Ranker level when he uses the maximum of his powers and not normally. Yes, I know this, but it was asserted by several high-level characters who are impressed with the raw power of Baam (as Yuri surprised him with such power that he had). Literally we have the quote from Kallavan surprised and quoting about the Baam attack, where it was said by the same that even High Rankers (probably comparing Yuri and all the Low 6-B's on the battlefield) can't scratch him. Yes, those same guys who have hundreds of years of experiences stunned by the raw power of Baam
 
Honestly, Baam hurting Kallavan in that moment, even with all the power-ups, is still a massive outlier compared to anything he's done. I realize he squeezed out every bit he had and almost killed himself in the process, but it's still a major outlier.

I'm confident that if someone in the top 500 squeezed out enough power that they were on the verge of death, they could do far more damage than Baam did. It's really the fact that Baam did anything at all to Kallavan that makes the feat so impressive. But comparable to the top 500? Hardly. Even as an irregular, the contradicts consistent showings and the power dynamic between even the strongest of regulars and weakest of rankers as a whole.
 
A CRT? When did the knowledgeable members ever come to any consensus about making Baam High 6-B through inflicting practically unnoticeable damage to a High 6-B character that close to death moments before?

I don't think a CRT is required if it was never discussed before. I think a discussion on it in general is needed if that's what he's rated as, as he likely shouldn't have been rated that in the first place.
 
Well, since the second season ended a few months ago, I'll talk my top 3 ToG fights to Season 1 and 2:

Season 1:

1 - Baam vs Bull

2 - Anak vs Androssi

3 - Baam and Androssi vs Quant (Suppressed)

Season 2:

1 - Baam vs Zahard

2 - Baam vs Elaine

3 - Baam with power of souls vs Hoaqin with 3 souls absorbed
 
The power difference between True Self Mode and Baam's First Thorn Ignition on the Hidden Floor scare me sometimes, because when Baam was only using True Self Mode, he had no choice but to use Shinwonryu Orb with black haze shinsoo to nullify the Cosmos with moderate injuries, but when he activated the First Thorn Igniton he was able to destroy the Second Cosmos (which must be relatively more powerful than the Cosmos) with only the waves of one baang shot combined with black haze shinsoo
 
Well, I know he had ignited the thorn, but he did not use thorn powers in Shinsoo Orb, but only served to hone the power and Orb's numbers he can create

Incidentally, I'm going to make a page for Yu Han Sung. Should I put his AP as "At least High 6-C, likely Low 6-B" in his Real Form?
 
Yeah, that's probably most likely.

Whenever Dargoo makes a tournament for High 7-C, 6-C, High 6-C, Low 6-B, 6-B, and High 6-B, we've got to make sure to pick the best ToG character for the job.
 
Litentric Teon said:
Yeah, that's probably most likely.
Whenever Dargoo makes a tournament for High 7-C, 6-C, High 6-C, Low 6-B, 6-B, and High 6-B, we've got to make sure to pick the best ToG character for the job.
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Okay, I'll do it.

Kaiser can be a good bet for us when Dargoo makes a High 7-C tournament and Baam for 6-C or High 6-C tournaments
 
Wow, Baam has been very strong since Season 2 in comparison to his previous base form, Baravag seems to have received a remarkable injury just to punch Baam! Thinks what would happen to him if the same decide to defeat him and it was even quoted that Baam is still hiding his real power
 
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