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As of episode 125 (AKA the one Toppo tried to build hype to himself for one episode), there is a certain feat about Toppo's Hakai
Feat in question: HERE
At 1:30-1:40 Golden Frieza fails to contain Toppo's Hakai, which as it erupts causes the entire background of the World of Void, a dimension of infinite size, to warp. Frieza later turns out to have survived, abeit heavily damaged and out of his Golden form.
WHAT COULD IT MEAN? Golden Frieza and anyone comparable to him would be High 3-A by such a feat
'1) Is the feat of warping the World of Void an outlier for Toppo?' Of course not, given his tier (Low 2-C, it takes a High 3-A to do such a feat), and the fact even stronger characters did that, except more casually (High Priest, Jiren and UI Goku).
'2) Is the feat of taking such an attack an outlier for Frieza?' Arguably. However, Frieza has been for a long time in a casual 3-A, and this one took all of his energy to survive and remain conscious, he does not have any feat that outright contradict that. Jiren, back when he made his first High 3-A feat, utterly dominated SSBJ Goku in their first fight, with the latter needing Kaio-ken to be able to cling to the arena. Frieza got defeated just as casually by Toppo, if not even more so. So there is some coherence in the feat, as, again, it was not a casual tanking, but 'barely surviving'
ARGUMENT: But there is a literal infinite gap between High 3-A and 3-A
Given how we have skipped to 3-A to Low 2-C, we can safely assume they do not assume that there are infinite gaps. Fiction doesn't use math very often, as we have seen. Having character between these tier won't do anything to change such
THEREFORE? Unless deemed an outlier, Golden Frieza and people comparable to him would scale to High 3-A
And who would they be?
1) SSJB Goku (TOP, pre UI awakening) [Equal to Golden Frieza, as stated by Whis in episode 95]
2) SSJB Vegeta [Usually always comparable to Goku until Goku gets the new transformation]
3) Toppo (Base) [Fought SSBJ Goku and Vegeta, although they had the upper hand during both fights]
4) Dyspo [Fought Golden Frieza and dominated him in his High Super Maximum Light Speed mode, took on SSBJ Goku]
5) Hit [Considered by Jiren a threat he needed to take out personally, defeated Dyspo]
6) Ultimate Gohan [Fought against Dyspo and once the latter lost the advantage of speed overpowered him]
7) Android 17 [While inferior, held his own against Toppo, withstood Aniraza's attack with his barrier]
8) Aniraza [Was dominating Golden Frieza, SSJB Vegeta, SSJB Goku , Ultimate Gohan and Android 17]
9) SSJ Kefla onwards [Defeated SSJBKKx20 Goku, compared to the Spirit Bomb]
10) Bergamo after absorbing power [Was intentionally feed enough power to hold his own against a SSBJKK Goku, although he was overpowered. Goku did not have time to train in between his fight with Bergamo and the ToP]
POSSIBLY (I am fine if they are rejected)
11) Koichianator, Obuni, Saonel and Pirina (the latter two after their assimilation stabilized) [Took a full powered Kamehameha from Gohan to take down]
12) Kale (battered around SSJB Goku, but given how Goku seemed not to be hurt and later he dominated her with SSG after his first UI awakening, we can either argue Zenkai was in effect, which would make even Base Kefla High 3-A by dominating SSG... but we might be getting our mind in the gutter)
13)The Pretty Blackhole (While Goku used SSBJKK to break the latter, it did not kill 18, but overwhelmed her) [RATHER IFFY ABOUT IT]
14) Piccolo with his fully charged SBC [Pierced through Gohan's KHM and the U6 Namekians, weakening them enough for Gohan to finish them off]
Any thought?
As of episode 125 (AKA the one Toppo tried to build hype to himself for one episode), there is a certain feat about Toppo's Hakai
Feat in question: HERE
At 1:30-1:40 Golden Frieza fails to contain Toppo's Hakai, which as it erupts causes the entire background of the World of Void, a dimension of infinite size, to warp. Frieza later turns out to have survived, abeit heavily damaged and out of his Golden form.
WHAT COULD IT MEAN? Golden Frieza and anyone comparable to him would be High 3-A by such a feat
'1) Is the feat of warping the World of Void an outlier for Toppo?' Of course not, given his tier (Low 2-C, it takes a High 3-A to do such a feat), and the fact even stronger characters did that, except more casually (High Priest, Jiren and UI Goku).
'2) Is the feat of taking such an attack an outlier for Frieza?' Arguably. However, Frieza has been for a long time in a casual 3-A, and this one took all of his energy to survive and remain conscious, he does not have any feat that outright contradict that. Jiren, back when he made his first High 3-A feat, utterly dominated SSBJ Goku in their first fight, with the latter needing Kaio-ken to be able to cling to the arena. Frieza got defeated just as casually by Toppo, if not even more so. So there is some coherence in the feat, as, again, it was not a casual tanking, but 'barely surviving'
ARGUMENT: But there is a literal infinite gap between High 3-A and 3-A
Given how we have skipped to 3-A to Low 2-C, we can safely assume they do not assume that there are infinite gaps. Fiction doesn't use math very often, as we have seen. Having character between these tier won't do anything to change such
THEREFORE? Unless deemed an outlier, Golden Frieza and people comparable to him would scale to High 3-A
And who would they be?
1) SSJB Goku (TOP, pre UI awakening) [Equal to Golden Frieza, as stated by Whis in episode 95]
2) SSJB Vegeta [Usually always comparable to Goku until Goku gets the new transformation]
3) Toppo (Base) [Fought SSBJ Goku and Vegeta, although they had the upper hand during both fights]
4) Dyspo [Fought Golden Frieza and dominated him in his High Super Maximum Light Speed mode, took on SSBJ Goku]
5) Hit [Considered by Jiren a threat he needed to take out personally, defeated Dyspo]
6) Ultimate Gohan [Fought against Dyspo and once the latter lost the advantage of speed overpowered him]
7) Android 17 [While inferior, held his own against Toppo, withstood Aniraza's attack with his barrier]
8) Aniraza [Was dominating Golden Frieza, SSJB Vegeta, SSJB Goku , Ultimate Gohan and Android 17]
9) SSJ Kefla onwards [Defeated SSJBKKx20 Goku, compared to the Spirit Bomb]
10) Bergamo after absorbing power [Was intentionally feed enough power to hold his own against a SSBJKK Goku, although he was overpowered. Goku did not have time to train in between his fight with Bergamo and the ToP]
POSSIBLY (I am fine if they are rejected)
11) Koichianator, Obuni, Saonel and Pirina (the latter two after their assimilation stabilized) [Took a full powered Kamehameha from Gohan to take down]
12) Kale (battered around SSJB Goku, but given how Goku seemed not to be hurt and later he dominated her with SSG after his first UI awakening, we can either argue Zenkai was in effect, which would make even Base Kefla High 3-A by dominating SSG... but we might be getting our mind in the gutter)
13)The Pretty Blackhole (While Goku used SSBJKK to break the latter, it did not kill 18, but overwhelmed her) [RATHER IFFY ABOUT IT]
14) Piccolo with his fully charged SBC [Pierced through Gohan's KHM and the U6 Namekians, weakening them enough for Gohan to finish them off]
Any thought?