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This like sounds the same as bleach, it is rejected to be type 2 or type 1, type 3 is most reasonable.
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Touhou Project Conceptual Manipulation Downgrade
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EldemadeDityjon
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@Theglassman12 & @Planck69 two staffs Rejected same thing for bleach as Type 3. I can tag the CRT. Also nowhere in the scan it states predates. Just like how Ichibe in bleach gave names to phenomena and things in SS here gods gave name to things in the world. Really don't see any independent concepts.
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They didn’t predate reality according to that scan. Reality existed in a state of chaos, but it existed. This is Type 2 without more to it.
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I don't think it's type 2, this was the same case in bleach and it got rejected.
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I am not sure about that. There is a character with same exact copy of name manipulation in Bleach. 4-5 staff consider that as type 3 concepts.
Bleach high godly and concept hax
Looking through the bleach pages I have questions regarding some of the abilities due to how lacking the information is. high-godly regen: So where exactly in this scan does it imply informational regeneration? Because turning from an imaginary product to something real is way to vague in of...
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What the character does and what they do are different:
Ichibei is far to limited in his ability, which is why it isn't type 2. If you effect the concept of a circle for the entire universe its type 2.
EDIT: Actually unless it hasn't been applied yet Ichibei is literally still Type 2. So the comparison would only work against you.
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But it's not really what scan says, it says that name has been assigned for each thing, it's not some single concept for all things in reality such as "concept of circle", which can change the circle all over reality but rather personal and specified for singular things as "names".
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Can y'all ******* WAIT jfc
Don't post single ooc scans without explaining them. Names being type 1 goes much deeper than that. But that scan does show names created boundaries, which in term are concepts dictating all of existence and non-existence. In order to create something that then goes in to create something else, you must be able to predate and exist without it (otherwise, if names were bound to existence, they wouldn't be able to create existence since the lack of existence would render names nonexistent). IIRC we also give type 1 for concepts that created reality/existence from nothingness for this reason.
Don't post single ooc scans without explaining them. Names being type 1 goes much deeper than that. But that scan does show names created boundaries, which in term are concepts dictating all of existence and non-existence. In order to create something that then goes in to create something else, you must be able to predate and exist without it (otherwise, if names were bound to existence, they wouldn't be able to create existence since the lack of existence would render names nonexistent). IIRC we also give type 1 for concepts that created reality/existence from nothingness for this reason.
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Fuji, stop being toxic, we are not derailing, we are discussing.
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I didn't say you were derailing. I'm just saying this discussion needs more context that hasn't been provided yet.
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The border here seems to be just implying to typically a names nature to distinguish between objects when they are assigned with some name. If nothing will have name, then they won't be recognized as separate. A name merely governs and creates single object and distinguish them from rest as what a name should.
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This is blatantly spite from the Anos supporters after the downgrades.
But besides, the argument is terribly familiar to one that was used against the Creation Trio back then when CM1 was suggested for them, with Dialga not qualifying for that as it is "just" the time of the multiverse, when the CT predated the multiverse and thus its actual space-time.
But besides, the argument is terribly familiar to one that was used against the Creation Trio back then when CM1 was suggested for them, with Dialga not qualifying for that as it is "just" the time of the multiverse, when the CT predated the multiverse and thus its actual space-time.
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No we don't do that Unless it's proven its independent from that reality which it creates.
Damn Reina beat me to it for other points.
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mb bestie, but I don't know, u came passively aggressively, hence I said.
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Strym, I request from you to stop derailing the topic.
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Isn't that the truth tho?
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Its derailment from the current discussion.
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Yeah, in the MG downgrade thread a MG outright asked if my verse would even qualify for type 1 CM, so I don't think the intentions here are very well hidden.
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I am not sure why would intentions from OP be relevant while the contents of OP is still valid? Stop derailing the thread with this.
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If a thread has been previously rejected or discussed and rejected, it may be the only thing that goes against the VSBW policies. However, since I do not see any evidence of this happening in this particular case, bringing up the poster's intentions is not relevant and could be seen as a distraction.
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Revenge has always been the path of truth, yes but let's focus on the topic.
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There is follow bottom above, you can click on it without sending any email notifications.
But this is now derailing.
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Transduality was removed afterwards due to not qualify so.
Anyway, i'm not interested in this so bye.
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@StrymULTRA @Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara I may request a thread moderator to moderate you both. Respectfully focus on the thread, if you are not interested, you can leave the thread.
Also, Fuji, were you not busy?
Also, Fuji, were you not busy?
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Well, it's not really a type 1 concept then, as one single name not governing some fundamental aspect of reality but just single object. Not to mention it's kinda look self contradictory by saying that in the start all things were mixed in chaos then suddenly says that to name smth is to create something from nothingness, nothingness in here seems to be standing for that thing not existing prior to giving them name as we know it after being named. Not smth to be taken literally out of context as that would be contradictory, it's Type 3.
However all of names combined is undoubtedly type 2 concept.
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Checked the thread. I don't see the word or something implying name predating anything.
Ultima reply back then still counts as this is still how current standard works. Nothing changed much. I don't see where anyone proved names are independent from the reality they govern.
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EldemadeDityjon
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My bad I didn't thought ultima agreed for this Reasoning
This is still type 3 for the reasons what Reina gave above but overall concepts of name is type 2.
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Touhou and MGK war?
some men just want to see the world burn
some men just want to see the world burn
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Predating reality is not necessary, by the way.
Madoka Magica is Type 1 because of the law/concepts being what shapes reality and time itself, and those appeared after the multiverse, given that Madoka used said law to rebuild the multiverse on a conceptual level across all of eras.
Names here do the same, they shape reality in a similar manner as they do not merely just build it, but straight up reshaped it completely, implying they're not realiant on it.
Madoka Magica is Type 1 because of the law/concepts being what shapes reality and time itself, and those appeared after the multiverse, given that Madoka used said law to rebuild the multiverse on a conceptual level across all of eras.
Names here do the same, they shape reality in a similar manner as they do not merely just build it, but straight up reshaped it completely, implying they're not realiant on it.
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I guess People just want to derail my thread with unnecessary things. Funny no one actually trying to argue what's presented in the OP.
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