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Touhou Buff - Mima may not be trash after all

Well I've been around and I honestly don't believe in MCB Mima. And so I think I may have found proof that she's a bit stronger than what people give her credit for. Let's give this poor ghost girl some love considering she's been ignored and failing to get into the new games for so long.


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My scientific magic is, after all, merely an imitation of magic...
It can't prevail against the real thing.
Yumemi and Chiyuri intended to defeat Mima and take her as a test specimen, they went full force on her. Yet they still say their magic can't compare to the real thing. So Mima should be easily above their level. Alongside with the rest of the cast that says otherwise.... Although it's arguable that they used non-combat based powers on moving the moon and that digital bomb. However, take note that she claims Mima would be beneficial to her research and is something she wants for the sake of SCIENCE.

So considering Yumemi being potent enough to create a four dimensional bomb, make the moon stay in place for awhile, and use her power to create a spaceship that travels beyond space... Well I'm not claiming Mima is 2C but that would be lovely. But that would imply she's not just MCB.

Another thing to factor is Shinki's words after you defeat Yumeko.


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Out of everything I've created,
Yumeko was of the highest
caliber...
But you were able to defeat her.
Just who are you?

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That girl from before is something you
created?

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Oh, pardon me.
I'm the one who created Makai.
I am the god of Makai.
So you see, Yumeko wasn't
a golem or anything, she was just a
normal inhabitant of Makai.
She claims she created Makai yet Yumeko is someone she puts on high regard. No I'm not claiming 3A-2C Yumeko, that's just absurd. But it showcases that Yumeko is really quite strong. Well I would say 4C or maybe a bit lower or higher, give or take. But if Mima was able to beat her with no danmaku rules, it kinda scales off of the above. Shinki's not bragging either and no danmaku rules are set yet.

So basically my preposition is

Mima - 5C to possibly 4C, likely higher

Yumeko (Despite not having a profile) - 4C to 4B (If latter, may buff up Shinki's minimum value)


Thoughts on Mima not being someone Cirno stomps anymore?

Interesting Notes - Yumemi may be using a ship that goes beyond time and space to travel. From the looks of it most main characters are surprised by it and have implied awe.

Another note is that there's an actual story if you use Chiyuri and Yumemi, implying some sort of .... multiple reality sort of deal... Or at least two Yumemis and Chiyuris. From the way Yumemi explained her machine could've went off course and sent them into another reality similar to theirs.
 
4-C is pretty baseless.

Just put Mima as "At least 5-C", and Yumeko can be scaled to that.
 
I'll take that over MCB Mima any day. And yeah I assumed that since Shinki seemed to be claiming Yumeko was one of her greatest creations despite creating Makai.

And her being scalable to other main characters I mean.
 
She was probably describing her in relation to her other living beings. But, yeah, Yumeko should certainly be strong. At least 5-C is the best we can do for now.
 
Patched my reasoning too on why Mima could be scalable to the other playable PC-98.

But yup on Yumeko. Now to just ... create a page for her.... Bah laziness. I'll wait for more responses, I think I waited enough for Small Country mid tier Touhou so I'll update that
 
Still have no idea why we don't scale everyone to Yuuka who apparently scales to Reimu's balls (~). Not that I mind Mima scaled to Yumemi.

Btw should the fact that Yumemi has a 4D bomb capable of destroying the world be anything special?
 
I want to ask this: How big is Makai supposed to be? Matter of fact, why was Mima even 8-A in the first place?
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
I want to ask this: How big is Makai supposed to be? Matter of fact, why was Mima even 8-A in the first place?
During Touhou 5 it looked like at least Solar System or Multi-System (with fake stars)... But according to Touhou 12 Makai (the same kanji) is infinite.
 
8-A for blowng up a part of makai, which looked MCB-ish.

Makai seems like a parralel dimension with Gensokyo. It has shown stars during PC-98, but in recent Touhou games, as Yama said, it was stated to be infinite.

@Yama It was stated her bomb is 4D, and can destroy the world so..
 
That's the thing i'mj having now after looking at Mima's page tho, Yama. She's at least 8-A yet no justification is made on there aside from the possibly much higher tier.

Like my main problem is, where the hell is that tier based off of?
 
On phone rn so basically slow. Their justification is they hate Mima :(

That said is this topic heading where I think it's going? Please please do
 
@Yama Well here when the bomb is refered to as 4D, I think it's safe to assume it's the universe..? I think. Yumemi can apparently travel from universes to universes too so..
 
Yeah her ship was said to not just travel space and has something associated with space and probability? So um..... Yeah and the touhou pc-98 cast fought them on wherever
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
@Yama Well here when the bomb is refered to as 4D, I think it's safe to assume it's the universe..? I think. Yumemi can apparently travel from universes to universes too so..
4D is just 4D... Macross from the first series shoots volleys of 4D beams and Macross-verse still in one piece.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Yeah but pretty sure none of those beams were stated to be able to destroy za warudo or smth.
Overtech Super-Dimension weapon circa Macross Delta can create distortion in space-time continum by rewritting local space-time laws with Super Dimension laws...

Dimension Eater weapon circa Macross Frontier violently remove space-time continum with everything inside event horizon into Super Dimension.
 
That's the thing about the Makai part that i don't understand.

Makai in Touhou 5(is that right) was supposedly like 4-B or 4-A size, yet is infinite according to Touhou 12? So.....the feat looks 8-A regardless? What?
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
That's the thing about the Makai part that i don't understand.
Makai in Touhou 5(is that right) was supposedly like 4-B or 4-A size, yet is infinite according to Touhou 12? So.....the feat looks 8-A regardless? What?
The battle trashed Pandemonium fortress. But Shinki wings destroyed large part of Makai (which if Touhou 12 is correct) is nonsense.
 
Again those are (probably) applied in a local manner. A world-wise 4D attack would most likely be Low 2-C. Althought there is still the fact that the "world" either means a planet or the universe. But pretty sure that common knowledge has that 4D usually deals with timelines and such.
 
@Cross It was never confirmed to be fully destroyed. When it happened, we saw a city in flames, but nothing indicating the whole place was destroyed.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Again those are (probably) applied in a local manner. A world-wise 4D attack would most likely be Low 2-C. Althought there is still the fact that the "world" either means a planet or the universe. But pretty sure that common knowledge has that 4D usually deals with timelines and such.
Sekai usualy means our World - Earth. But sometimes with context it can mean Universe.
 
Hmm. In any case, it seems that Prom is okay with Mima being "at least 5-C/Moon level".

Anyones thoughts on taht part? Unless i overlooked y'alls comment on taht...
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
@Cross It was never confirmed to be fully destroyed. When it happened, we saw a city in flames, but nothing indicating the whole place was destroyed.
Well, we saw Pandemonium fortress (as fans like to call it) in flames. But lore states that Shinki's wings destroyed majority of Makai.
 
I can't seem to find an accurate translation about the ending where it is mentioned, so I'd be best to leave it alone for now. @Andy It destroys the world. Basically.
 
Bruh I JUST said I can't find an accurate translation of the ending where it happened. So it's kinda hard to tell.
 
Anyway though, that's complicate in itself as I never read about one of these thing before... Why would someone want to wipeout an entire timeline from the present of a planet when they could have just build a non-overkill one.

Edit: wait, I'm just correcting myself. A thing that could destroy even the toughest material in the universe is worth making... still overkill though.
 
Well, if Mima could stand even one of those thing... basically she would have universe durability and could walked out from having a timeline destruction, or something.
 
Andykhang said:
Anyway though, that's complicate in itself as I never read about one of these thing before... Why would someone want to wipeout an entire timeline from the present of a planet when they could have just build a non-overkill one.
Well, it can work like this one...
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Well idk if I said it before but yeah I agree with Mima's upgrades.
Yeah i just read your earlier comment about it.

So that;s Promestein and Saikou now. Anyone else?
 
Yuuka being 5-B to 4-B seemed more reasonable than some arbitrary ranking of Low 4-C. Feel free to downgrade her to "At least 5-C, likely higher" or something.
 
Still feels kinda weird that a 5-C character can become 4-B just via absorbing energy over time, so I'm a bit iffy with everyone being solely 5-C but eh.
 
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