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Top Five Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier 8: New Forum, same rules

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She can use concept hax on opponent if they know their name.

how does she use her reality warp? Does she EE her opponent with it? If not then Cronus kind pop open a time-stop and it’s a kick to the face.
 
Nicetoderp said:
She can use concept hax on opponent if they know their name.

how does she use her reality warp? Does she EE her opponent with it? If not then Cronus kind pop open a time-stop and it’s a kick to the face.
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she has conceptual erasure. She has law based defenses so even cronus stops time he would not be able to hurt her
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
she has conceptual erasure. She has law based defenses so even cronus stops time he would not be able to hurt her
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How does her defense work? Is it up all the time? If not then Cronus well, Cronus can still very much hit her since his time stop is his go-to move.

And about her conceptual erasure, she need to know the names to control their concept right? If that’s the case then how would that work against opponent she didn’t know about?
 
Nicetoderp said:
How does her defense work? Is it up all the time? If not then Cronus well, Cronus can still very much hit her since his time stop is his go-to move.

And about her conceptual erasure, she need to know the names to control their concept right? If that’s the case then how would that work against opponent she didn’t know about?
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it is up all the time
 
@Nicetoderp Witches all have the general ability to control the concepts of their opponents via their name

…She broke down the Devices starting from the “name”?
The concept of a “true name” required caution among witches.
Names were the definition of the thing itself. All things physically “existed”, but they also received a name to “exist” as something with meaning.
Give a name to an animal and it became a pet. The name given to a building could turn it into anything from a rundown shack to a frontline base.
Also, the namer became the parent of the named and they gained the right to control it.
From a magic perspective, the name of the magic user could be a difficult issue. If you knew your opponent’s name, the ether could better reach your opponent and produce greater power against them. But if your opponent knew your name, they could control your spells via your name instead of via the spell itself.
Of course, any higher Ranker would have protections applied to their name to ensure it was grounded. -Volume 4, Prologue
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Shouko concept erasure is the opposite of the power that created this world, it's power to destroy the world and erase anything in it, from history from everything, i just had this as existence erasure when i made her profile, she already has concept manipulation, though concept manipulation might be more accurate, so existence erasure might need to be removed, but whatever

“There are no detailed records of the battle with the Black Witch or how either side fought.”
“Why not?”
Horinouchi answered that question.
“Because they were ‘erased’ by the Black Witch. From this world, from history, from everything.”
“You mean…?”
“That is the Black Witch’s power. It is a spell we call Concept Erasure,” she explained. “It is the opposite of the power that created this world. The power to destroy this world and erase anything in it is used on whoever loses. …So my mother’s ability to resist was erased and the records were erased.”
“Instead of the power used to write and create this world, it’s the power to erase. …All records concerning the spells Horinouchi’s mom used to oppose the Black Witch were erased with an eraser.”
“If everything was erased together, I can see how there would be a blank at those portions alone,” said Kagami.-Volume 3, Chapter 1
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As for Shouko's reality warping and law manipulation, it's one in the same really, imagination forms the foundation of creation, she can rewrite anything in her imagination and thus can do stuff like make attacks not hit her, by rewriting the laws around her

Lisbeth could see the 21 cannon lines fired from high in the night sky, but she did not bother following them as she spoke.
At first glance, it looked like they had been hit back, but that was not the case.
“Did you make it so they didn’t hit!?”
She understood what had happened more than how.
The cannon blasts had definitely been on course for a direct hit. They did not know what was there, but the attacks had been set to track that ether output. It should have been an automatic bull’s eye.
There were 2 possible reasons why they did not hit.
1: They had been dodged.
2: They had been blocked.
But they were up against the Black Witch here. There was a 3rd option that she alone could choose. In other words…
“3: They simply ‘didn’t hit’.”
That witch held the same power that had created this world. She could rewrite the laws around her as she saw fit, so she could make an attack “not hit”. Or from their perspective…

…
Our attack power wasn’t enough to match the Black Witch’s imagination!
Simply put, she could grasp and rewrite anything within her imagination. Imagination formed the foundation of creation. And the only ones who could surpass the Black Witch’s imagination were the top Rankers in Shinagawa and their Magino Devices which had had their sniping power increased to the limit. But… -Volume 4, Chapter 6
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So if I read this correctly. She doesn’t have to understand the name in order to erased their concept, correct?

How would her imagination work when time is stop? Or does she simply imagine her not getting hit all the time?
 
Again that's a separate ability, Shouko's concept destruction is different from witches ability to control names. The general witch ability requires her to know her opponents name to control their concept, concept destruction doesn't.

From what i remember, she got sneaked attacked and that's where the law stuff is mentioned, essentially she should have had no idea the attack was coming yet it didn't hit her cause she made them not hit via law hax cause they don't surpass her imagination.

Shouko's imagination is what has created like a 1000 different universes via the book of creation, this is why imagination forms the foundation of creation cause it literally created the universe, and she can rewrite anything in her imagination.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
From what i remember, she got sneaked attacked and that's where the law stuff is mentioned, essentially she should have had no idea the attack was coming yet it miss her cause she made them not hit cause they don't surpass her imagination.
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If that’s the case then I concede. Well, until Cronus kicking Lovelica through his video’s game rules is accepted as law manip of sort.

hmm, does Shouko have a point in her life where she wasn’t a Magical Girl beforehand? Reset might work on her since this thing bypass Hyper Muteki’s Invulnerability, and Muteki shrugs all of Genm God hax (Reality Warp, Concept Hax, Law hax, and basically every single abilities in Ex-Aid series)
 
Depends on perspective, Shouko has created thousands of universes one at a time which she destroyed, in those universes she is various different things, her being a magicial girl is the latest setting so to speak, she was various different things before, terrorizing those worlds for a long time.

However before all of that she was just a sickly girl from what i remember, she was a normal girl who found the book of creation then used the book to create universes from her imagination and in those universes she isn't a sickly girl anymore, but the big bad evil plaguing the universe.
 
Reset work in a weird way. Usually Reset simply just undo event that lead to his defeat, or sometime, it just straight up nullifying his opponent power completely (ahem Lazer VS Genm God).
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
Seol for 5th 7A. He can perma kill itachi and has causality hax
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As someone who knows both character extensively yeah he beats Itachi really hard, even genjutsu would not work because his body fights instinctively with no actual input from his thinking. He should also have soul manipulation via his necklace which counters Edo Tensei and info analysis gives him everything he needs to know about Itachi on top of this Itachi is getting upgraded at some point, only problem is tons of 7-As can qualify which is why Itachi is still there.
 
tbh, it's probably fine to combine the 6-B 1st and 3rd spots.
Since the only Bleach 6-B the strong Tsuki ga 6-B's might struggle against is Yamamoto iirc. And that's only if he decides to start with his Bankai for some reason.
 
Isn't Henry Stickmin a smurf? he has Low Multiversal range with Teleporter and Reference
 
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Tis a sad day, but Han has smurf hax with the void eating away at space and time alike, so yeet him from 7-A.
 
Planck69 said:
Wait like, on a universal scale?
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Potentially?

It's an endlessly expanding void that devours space and time.


Either way, it can also erode from one dimension to another (and Han's powers may be granted by the being that created the universe)-
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Potentially?

It's an endlessly expanding void that devours space and time.


Either way, it can also erode from one dimension to another (and Han's powers may be granted by the being that created the universe)-
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that doesnt look like a smurf to me more like high 3-A
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Potentially?

It's an endlessly expanding void that devours space and time.


Either way, it can also erode from one dimension to another (and Han's powers may be granted by the being that created the universe)-
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I'm not quite sure that's smurf.

Interdimensional range is allowed here.
 
It's unclear to what level it can go up to, it just endlessly grows.

Universal characters do exist in the verse though, which is why I'm unsure.
 
Ned_the_outer_god said:
Welp, 2-A is empty. And I decided to hunt for some possible contenders:
  • Shulk has a literal type 2 concept keeping him alive, extremely potent EE, and Resistance neg
  • Spawn is decently haxxy and pretty versatile, but definitely isn't a big competitor
  • Exdeath is really damn strong and has some great hax, he can also send you to the void which has a bunch of passives
  • The Planeswalker is really haxed and strong
  • Similar to spawn, Arthur is pretty darn haxxy, but is definitely not a big competitor
  • M is really haxxy and has a type 5 acuasality and is a type 2 concept to boot
  • The Quantum man isn't ultra haxxy, just hard to kill
  • The Enchiridion is haxxy, but like spawn, is definitely not a big competitor
The big competitors are probably M, Exdeath, and Shulk IMO
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Setsuna_tenma said:
Ainchase for a spot in 2A. Mid-Godly regen, NEP, Type 1 abstract existance and conceptual erasure
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theultimate5105 said:
Characters from Pokemon for 3rd in 2-A
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We only got 3 spots left in 2-A, who's taking which?.
 
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