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Top 5 Strongest Characters for Every Tier Part 16

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They are the Concept they embody https://imgur.com/a/OlzCR

Also their passives are things like Attack Reflection, Perception/Sense Manipulation, and also they flip an off switch on the mind when in their prescence (The Mind itself becomes unsuable and disabled), and Their Aura compels those around them to follow their command.

In the future Hades will get passive existence erasure
 
Oliver de jesus said:
I'm sorry I got confused of abstract type
Although your Passives have affected a being that does not exist? </div>
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uuuuhhhhhh Non-corporal existences?? Thats all i got ┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»

Someday i will get that cursed 3-A rating fixed in the SS-verse
 
Let's better wait for the downgrade, since changing to put him above her to later remove him seems kinda rendundant.
 
TheUpgradeManHaHaxD said:
WeeklyBattles said:
>They are the Concept they embody
That only grants type 2 now, Type 1 is 1-As only
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Question on this, but what makes it only 1-As only???
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True Platonic Concepts contain every variation, possibility and Impossibility of the thing they represent, which would include variations of the thing which exists beyond the concepts of time and space.

As well, in the Timaeus Plato wrote that Platonic concepts were unbound by concepts like time, space, causality and change.
 
It almost seemed like abstract existence bType 1 got revised to 1-A's only??? Maybe they misunderstood me for concept manipulation???
 
I just realized, can Komuko effect Type 1 abstracts? If not, then a good amount of the abstracts from Tsukuhime and Melty Blood, not to mention Pale Rider when they get a profile, would stomp her
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
I just realized, can Komuko effect Type 1 abstracts? If not, then a good amount of the abstracts from Tsukuhime and Melty Blood, not to mention Pale Rider when they get a profile, would stomp her
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Depends on whether or not they use some sort of power to do things. If they do Kumoko drains them until they are incapacitated regardless. (I guess incap via serenity/fear inducement is technically a win con as well)

However, the problem was always that Kumoko is hard to get dead, so they would still need some way to actually kill her.
 
You can't affect their "body" with stuff since it's a concept, but as long as they have a mind and use some sort of power to accomplis things you can affect said mind and said power.

That won't destroy the concept and hence also not the being, but it can stop them from taking action.
 
DontTalkDT said:
You can't affect their "body" with stuff since it's a concept, but as long as they have a mind and use some sort of power to accomplis things you can affect said mind and said power.
That won't destroy the concept and hence also not the being, but it can stop them from taking action.
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That's not how it usually gets treated in my experience. People refused to allow plot manip to work on a type 1 abstract since they did not have feats of doing so, and I assume mind hax would be no different. Them being abstract does not remove their presence from the plot, so I dont know why them having a mind despite being abstract would allow you to mind hax them
 
DontTalkDT said:
Depends on whether or not they use some sort of power to do things. If they do Kumoko drains them until they are incapacitated regardless. (I guess incap via serenity/fear inducement is technically a win con as well)

However, the problem was always that Kumoko is hard to get dead, so they would still need some way to actually kill her.
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Does she have feats of absorbing the energy of abstracts?

What are her defensive abilities again?
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
That's not how it usually gets treated in my experience. People refused to allow plot manip to work on a type 1 abstract since they did not have feats of doing so, and I assume mind hax would be no different. Them being abstract does not remove their presence from the plot, so I dont know why them having a mind despite being abstract would allow you to mind hax them
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Plot manip is pretty case by case on what it can / can't affect. It's just like reality warping in that regards. E.g. I would also not assume that every plot manip can do soul manip.

But an abstracts mind is very much still present. At the point where you can manipulate the non-physical minds of beings, I see no reason why the mind of an abstract should by default be assumed immune, unless it has feats in that regard.

Does she have feats of absorbing the energy of abstracts?

What are her defensive abilities again?

If an abstract uses energy for their attacks, than that is still pretty much just energy. Unless they use abstract energy or something, but that would be an extra thing. And she can absorb energy that can be used to alter the laws of nature and stuff, so she isn't quite bound to normal physics energy.

Low-Godly Regen + good soul resistance. In addition to that she right away will teleport into a pocket dimension and use space magic to prevent anyone from following her, having clones fight in her stead.

So unless you stop her she basically has something similar to type 9 immortality.
 
For saitn seiya verse a god would techincially be someone who has the "9th sense" or divine ichor flowing through their vines, but idk how that would effect the verse equalization...
 
DontTalkDT said:
Plot manip is pretty case by case on what it can / can't affect. It's just like reality warping in that regards. E.g. I would also not assume that every plot manip can do soul manip.

But an abstracts mind is very much still present. At the point where you can manipulate the non-physical minds of beings, I see no reason why the mind of an abstract should by default be assumed immune, unless it has feats in that regard. If an abstract uses energy for their attacks, than that is still pretty much just energy. Unless they use abstract energy or something, but that would be an extra thing. And she can absorb energy that can be used to alter the laws of nature and stuff, so she isn't quite bound to normal physics energy.

Low-Godly Regen + good soul resistance. In addition to that she right away will teleport into a pocket dimension and use space magic to prevent anyone from following her, having clones fight in her stead.

So unless you stop her she basically has something similar to type 9 immortality.
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Yes, but its basically equivolent to mind manip in that regard. If being abstract in no way effects the participation in the plot, then, if what you say is true, their abstract nature should not disqualify them from being effected, at least not by default. However, since it is the case that plot manip is assumed to not be able to work on an abstract unless shown otherwise, mind manip would be much the same.

Last I checked, we generally assume all aspects of a Type 1 Abstract, are themselves abstract. Therefore, you would need feats of effecting an abstract mind.

TATARI users sometimes use energy for their attacks, but it isn't required from what I understand, since it is primarilly based on information manifestation. Also, from the description of the profile, the energy that is used for TATARI is itself abstract, so she probably could not absorb anything more than Zepia's magical energy, and not the energy that is used for TATARI

With the amount of influence she has had on the world, I'm sure she has some rumors floating around. Because of this, he can use his Reciever ability to have those Rumors manifest, and then just draw out the battle until she turns fully into TATARI. Also, he could make her one of his undead, and thus subserviant to him. Her nature as a God likely does not prevent this, as Merem Solomon was already approaching Godhood when he was transformed.

Her "type 9" won't prevent her from being tranformed into TATARI.
 
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