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Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0
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Rakih_Elyan
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Nomination for High 8-C:
4th spot for "Characters from Shakugan no Shana" (The characters all have access to a city-wide Time Stop they always use immediately, that nobody below appears to resist, combined with EE and Nonexistent Physiology)
4th spot for "Characters from Shakugan no Shana" (The characters all have access to a city-wide Time Stop they always use immediately, that nobody below appears to resist, combined with EE and Nonexistent Physiology)
Dragonite007
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I removed Ajimu Najimi from 3-A, since she got downgraded
As far as I know the match never got a conclusion
name the characters
Rakih_Elyan
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Planck concede and DT never reply again.
Dragonite007
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I will put him above Erganverse, but i'm not moving the 1sr, until the match reach a conclusion
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@Dragonite007 Bump
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Tensura has been upgraded to Low 1-C. So characters from that verse should get up to at least #4th place in Low 1-C since Rimuru has stomped Sora in the past. I assume that also means Veldanava will have to be taken out of 2-A as well.
Edit: Nvm about this.
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We talked about Clockwork before and I think Wei Huo is stronger. He beats more people, Clockwork is basically just hard to kill so he's like a place holder until I fully finish his additions, so I'd rather he remain in his spot as a benchmark/placeholder.
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Alright then, though just for my own curiosity what exactly makes Wei Huo beat Clockwork? Going by both profiles, I fail to see what exactly Wei Huo has that would allow him to win here especially with Ghosts' layered intangibility.
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Balthasar Gelt's message to the rest of 9-B non-smurf as a tier
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Well iirc, they can't kill each other, and since Wei can defeat more people than Clockwork in fights, so he's at a higher placement.
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While he can't permanently kill Clockwork, he has an entire verse's worth of 2-A and Law based P&A at his beck and call, along with not being able to be interacted with due to his Law Based AE1, and also (something I didn't remember last time) I'm decently sure he can just incap since he can just nuke the multiverse and while he is capable of still doing stuff in such a scenario, I don't think clockwork has such a feat
See the above, they can't interact with him and he has a whole verse of bullshit to throw at them and if worse comes to worse can just nuke reality and leave them in a void where they can't do shit (I don't remember if they have something that allows them to do something in there, but even if they do it just means they still can't interact with him)
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So if I understand correctly. Just interacting with other Abstracts and Conceptual beings wouldn't be able to interact with Wei Huo? You specifically need to interact with the Law itself in order to affect him?
Well the gods do have access to this, but if my understanding is right then yeah they wouldn't be able to do anything in the case of cosmology nuking. Though they do resist Law Manipulation
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If he's a concept. Then yeah they can't interact with him or event affect him.
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Yeah, he has AE based on a Law that is at bare minimum equivalent to concepts in abstractness, and yes you need to specifically interact with what the abstraction is based on to interact with him, so just interacting with concepts (or other abstractions such as thoughts) aren't enough
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Alright thanks for letting me know. Though I forgot to mention the Gods do resist Law Manip, but Wei Huo cosmology nuking would screw them over. So I guess they can go below Clockwork then.
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Is this in regards to Saint Seiya vs whatever rge other guy was?
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Yeah. Sorry I should have clarified that. The three deities I mentioned before from Saint Seiya should go below Clockwork in 2-A to help fill out the list since Veldanava is leaving.
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Aight, though his Rule is superordinate to other laws (such as the laws of physics, and the innate laws of other universes that for example stop biology (as we know it) from existing), and he should be capable of affecting other Mythical beings (and hell, epic and legendary) who have resistance to law manip as well
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That's gonna be changed to Low 1-C in a short while, the Low 1-C rating has already been accepted and the verse supporters have already began applying it to profiles so Veldanava will get changed eventually.
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tensura is now low 1c they can be added now to the list
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We could make some matchups to see how far they go in the new tier
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go ahead
Tempestdragon6
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Rimuru (Ln) Vs cc Goku the final battle battle for the strongest low 1c non smurf
Equalise speed then goku is cooked then Maybe. For now.
this is a stomp in favor of rimuru
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From Kingdom Hearts?
The list is outdated, the real 5D list is this one
Strongest 5D Characters on the Wiki
Rules: -Characters are only allowed hax that reaches up to 5D -Speed is equalized 1. Characters from BlazBlue / Characters from What a Beautiful Series (Alva Avan Edison and M) 2. Ozriel 3. Characters from Slay the Princess (The Princess and The Hero) 4. Characters from Tensei Shitara Slime...
Astral_Trinity439
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Rimuru should be added here as well as he won against Goku in this vs thread via stomp
Astral_Trinity439
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Wondering, which specific characters? Because they have many. Or is it all of them?
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mainly this guy for his passive infinite layers of hax
Master Unit: Amaterasu
Master Unit: Amaterasu:, also known as the Amaterasu Unit or simply the Master Unit, is one of the three Sankishin that draw power directly from the Boundary. The Master Unit is able to interfere with and alter any event it chooses, allowing it to rewrite the world on a grand scale as the...
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Astral_Trinity439
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Of Phenomenon Intervention?mainly this guy for his passive infinite layers of hax
Master Unit: Amaterasu
Master Unit: Amaterasu:, also known as the Amaterasu Unit or simply the Master Unit, is one of the three Sankishin that draw power directly from the Boundary. The Master Unit is able to interfere with and alter any event it chooses, allowing it to rewrite the world on a grand scale as the...
I don't see NEP2 all aspects there...
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yeah
apparently what aspect of NEP you have doesn't matter, its just type that matters
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?? Where was this implemented? So a guy who could affect NEP1 could also affect NEP2?
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That is just false.
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No, he means that if both have Nep 2, then they have the same nature, therefore the type of aspect is irrelevant. Both are non-existences to the same degree.
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no???
Someone who can interact with NEP 2 aspect 2 for example does not have to interact with NEP 2 aspect 5 or 4 or something because apparently aspect does not matter
(this isn't implemented, im just going off by what someone knowledgeable said)
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Rikimarox2
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My bad, I swapped aspect and nature. Yeah, that makes sense.
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??? I am 99% sure that is just false.
I am pretty sure what you are confusing it with is, how just due to a person having an aspect of NEp, doesn't make them Fully NEP. For example. Nep 1 aspect 2. This means his concept is nonexistent, but everything else is existent. So along as you aren't trying to interact with his nonexistent concept you are fine.
