Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0

[XDragnoir]

Every power of his draws from the Ultimate Darkness, and that's all pretty much all of it. The aura only exists because of the Ultimate Darkness' influence, and under the current conditions of the profile, it would reach that range.

But it's not like the aura makes a true difference considering under SBA conditions, Ji Ning still lacks range to affect Kuuga with his soul hacks.

The profile explicitly says he can destroy the world through unknown methods, it doesn't say that all his abilities can affect the whole world and you don't get to change "unknown methods" to "the ability I want to have this much range to win a fight", you know.

Ning needs to get closer sure, but hundreds of meters is still outside of the range of the fear aura you've shown so far, unless I missed something.

I haven't seen any reasoning that it can't. And the list only takes what the current profiles uses regardless if it is outdated or not, hence why Daphne is still above Obito even though her madness manipulation was supposed to be removed long ago.

The profile doesn't make a single mention of that. Not questioning the information itself, but Ji Ning should at least a Unconventional Resistance to Mind/Soul Manipulation in that case, specially when it seems to be layered.

Fair enough, let me ask Planck about this.

 

[Planck69]

I thought I added that. Well whatever, I'll do so now that I'm here.

 

[Dragonite007]

Okhwang got a profile rework so he should be usable for the list now. He should go at least for number 10 above Garou in 4-A for now, I'll see if he gets any higher than that.

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Sorry for the bump, but you missed this.

Also, the link for Hollow (7-C #13, and Low 7-C #13) is broken. The correct profile link is this.

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[Dragonite007]

For 9-A, Sans was stomped from Dishonored characters, so him being below them is a guarantee... (and yes, they still do one shot him, a bit above baeline 9-A vs 9-A+).

About the other ones though...

Sans could probably beat Mardicus (The 10th) but I'm unsure

 

[StrymULTRA]

Sans could probably beat Mardicus (The 10th) but I'm unsure

I'd make a thread for it, if you want at least.

 

[Dragonite007]

I'd make a thread for it, if you want at least.

Sans scale to what value? In joules plz

 

[StrymULTRA]

Sans scale to what value? In joules plz

36831752 J

 

[Dragonite007]

36831752 J

Mardicus, upscale massively from 40332637 J

If he can survive Mardicus AoE's, he can probably take the spot

 

[StrymULTRA]

Mardicus, upscale massively from 40332637 J

If he can survive Mardicus AoE's, he can probably take the spot

Tbh Sans can teleport, though not sure if he uses it IC.

Though what's the LS? Because Sans' TK scales above 9 Tonnes.

 

[DavidTPPM]

In joules plz

356 glorbtons of TNT ofc

 

[Dragonite007]

Though what's the LS? Because Sans' TK scales above 9 Tonnes.

Mardicus is comparable from Midas, who upscale from 80 tons

His first move is usually his explosions, and he can split himself in two

 

[Livinaa]

1. The Goddess of The Manifold

2. Characters from Megami Tensei

3. Characters from Transformers

4. Characters from Warhammer 40,000

5. MSPA Reader

6. Characters from Ergenverse

7. Characters from A Wild Last Boss Appeared

8. Gu Chensha

9. Lu Zhiyu

10. Arceus

11. Monitor-Mind The Overvoid

Remove Gu Chensha from 1-A list. He no longer has 1-A key. Add Characters from Dragon Talisman, they got upgraded into 1-A, several layers above baseline 1-A. Put them above Ergenverse and below MSPA Reader.

They have layered NEP 2 and Transduality type 2, enough to be above Ergenverse.

1. Characters from Dragon Talisman

2. Characters from Honkai (Impact 3rd and Star Rail)

Remove characters from Dragon Talisman, they are not Low 1-A anymore.

 

[ZeedKZ]

Which characters from Megaman are represented at 5-A? In case if one has to do a matchup for their spot.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Subaru vs Morgan Yu(top 15 strongest non smurf )

Morgan Yu vs Subaru yeah this match....is a 💀 Anyways, its the last key Subaru with beatrice and patrasche SBA

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Subaru blazes to rank 11 of tier 9B by defeating morgan yu (and being too fast for mortum to deal with in speed equal or unequal)

bump x2

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Who's a good representative from My Hero Academia for 7-C?

 

[Megaraptor149]

Mori vs Mundus

Battle of 6th Strongest Non-Smurfs 2-C

Rules: •SBA •Speed Equalized Monkey King: DavidTPPM, M2u12 Demon Prince: Inconclusive:

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[Dragonite007]

Remove Gu Chensha from 1-A list. He no longer has 1-A key. Add Characters from Dragon Talisman, they got upgraded into 1-A, several layers above baseline 1-A. Put them above Ergenverse and below MSPA Reader.

They have layered NEP 2 and Transduality type 2, enough to be above Ergenverse.


Remove characters from Dragon Talisman, they are not Low 1-A anymore.

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bump x2

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[DavidTPPM]

So Big Ts profile rework is finally done meaning Okhwang can be removed from the 10th spot in 4-A.

Instead, Tataghata should be added in 4-A a lot higher. I propose over Bleach characters for now. Reasons:
Tataghatas casualty and fate hax can put you into an endless cycle of misery. He also has cm3 + layered mind manipulation + layered soul deconstruction + bio hax + possession + passive layered fear hax, none of which neither Aizen nor Senju resist.

 

[ZeedKZ]

8-A match.

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[Lynieryz]

So Big Ts profile rework is finally done meaning Okhwang can be removed from the 10th spot in 4-A.

Instead, Tataghata should be added in 4-A a lot higher. I propose over Bleach characters for now. Reasons:
Tataghatas casualty and fate hax can put you into an endless cycle of misery. He also has cm3 + layered mind manipulation + layered soul deconstruction + bio hax + possession + passive layered fear hax, none of which neither Aizen nor Senju resist.

Tathagata is passively controlled by Aizen as he has no resistance to Kyōka Suigetsu.

Illusion Creation & Perception Manipulation (Aizen's Shikai, Kyōka Suigetsu[29] allows Aizen to manipulate all of his targets 5 senses,[30] including their sense of time[31] and spiritual sight and sensing.[32] The manipulation of the senses allows Aizen to hide things from his target's sight, and could even make a fly seem like a dragon, and a swamp a flower garden. Kyōka Suigetsu's ability takes affect when the target sees the release of Kyōka Suigetsu. This ability is called Kanzen Saimin, and it allows Aizen to create flawless illusions for his target.[33] Aizen has complete control over the entirety of his opponent's sensory system.[34] Aizen can use this ability to create entire false battles through illusions.[35] Aizen additionally can use his illusions to mask entire buildings and maintain the appearance that an entire board of dead people were alive.[36] Being aware of being under the illusion or that it's coming does not help resist it[37])

Enhanced Illusion Creation and Perception Manipulation (After his imprisonment, Aizen can subtly place people under his illusions just by using his Reiatsu and without drawing his sword, subtly manipulating their senses, including their sense of time[50]. Even the immense precognitive powers of The Almighty could not counter Kyōka Suigetsu's illusions, which were capable of affecting its vision of the future[51])

 

[Yeolban]

Tathagata is passively controlled by Aizen as he has no resistance to Kyōka Suigetsu.

But Tathagata's layered Mind Manip is also passive, so who controls who?

 

[Lynieryz]

But Tathagata's layered Mind Manip is also passive, so who controls who?

Unconventional Resistance to Mind Manipulation (Minds in Bleach are intertwined with their souls)

 

[ZeedKZ]

Regarding Junko Enoshima, do you need to have NPI to data to interact with her last key? Asking because she doesn't have Incorporeality or Intangibility listed in her P&A.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Tathagata is passively controlled by Aizen as he has no resistance to Kyōka Suigetsu.

As far as I remember Aizen needs to actually activate KS. And even if T got passively put into an illusion he just says "give up" and Aizen will still be equally affected by it regardless of what T thinks he sees.

Unconventional Resistance to Mind Manipulation (Minds in Bleach are intertwined with their souls)

GoH minds are intertwined with souls and a part of the characters type 3 concept and type 2 information. So Tats has mind hax on a conceptual level here.

 

[Lynieryz]

As far as I remember Aizen needs to actually activate KS. And even if T got passively put into an illusion he just says "give up" and Aizen will still be equally affected by it regardless of what T thinks he sees.

He's not saying anything after falling into Kyōka Suigetsu, he's going to be motionless with everything he thinks he did being just an illusion including talking.

GoH minds are intertwined with souls and a part of the characters type 3 concept and type 2 information. So Tats has mind hax on a conceptual level here.

It's not the same thing, in Bleach you have to affect the soul to affect the mind while in GOH you can affect the mind without having to affect the soul.

 

[Arkenis]

10. Wu Mian

11. Ainz Ooal Gown

12. Characters from Mission: Yozakura Family (Momo Yozakura, Shinzo Yozakura, Kyoichiro Yozakura)

13. Characters from JJK (Kenjaku, Yorozu, and Kashimo)

14. Hollow

This looks funky. Ainz being above Wu just ain't real from what I'm seeing on Ainz page. Hollow should be above all those JJK characters, her Amarariruku would petrify and drain them of their ce and then Karakururi form one shots them as well.

 

[Lynieryz]

As far as I remember Aizen needs to actually activate KS. And even if T got passively put into an illusion he just says "give up" and Aizen will still be equally affected by it regardless of what T thinks he sees.

GoH minds are intertwined with souls and a part of the characters type 3 concept and type 2 information. So Tats has mind hax on a conceptual level here.

Huh??? What is the value of Tathagata's 4-A???

Characters who scale to Jeabongchim Ragnarok Arc Mori scale to 250,000x the base 4-A value (27.67 ZettaFoe, possibly 17.85 YottaFoe)

If it's this one, it's not 4-A??? Or is the table wrong??? I really don't know.

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4-A

Multi-Solar System

20.08 TeraFoe to 10.53 ZettaFoe

 

[XDragnoir]

He's not saying anything after falling into Kyōka Suigetsu, he's going to be motionless with everything he thinks he did being just an illusion including talking.

When did KS ever stop people from talking? I am pretty sure several characters during the Soul Society arc were under KS and still kept talking, moving and even fighting normally.

At best I'd say that's something Aizen can do, but definitely isn't the default application of KS.

 

[Unqver]

Remove Gu Chensha from 1-A list. He no longer has 1-A key. Add Characters from Dragon Talisman, they got upgraded into 1-A, several layers above baseline 1-A. Put them above Ergenverse and below MSPA Reader.

They have layered NEP 2 and Transduality type 2, enough to be above Ergenverse.


Remove characters from Dragon Talisman, they are not Low 1-A anymore.

Um.... Isn't the juvenile in white above two levels of baseline

 

[Lynieryz]

When did KS ever stop people from talking? I am pretty sure several characters during the Soul Society arc were under KS and still kept talking, moving and even fighting normally.

At best I'd say that's something Aizen can do, but definitely isn't the default application of KS.

 

[ZeedKZ]

Shouldn't Mahito be above Crowfather at 8-A? The latter doesn't have NPI nor resists the soul abilities from the former.

 

[Arkenis]

Shouldn't Mahito be above Crowfather at 8-A? The latter doesn't have NPI nor resists the soul abilities from the former.

No. This was discussed already, his ice negs. He's got bfr. And Mahito's tangible, he can interact with him.

 

[Livinaa]

Um.... Isn't the juvenile in white above two levels of baseline

Teen In White is 2 layers, possibly 7 layers above baseline.

In the upgrade thread, it's mentioned that 9th Deathless has 7 levels, and that's excluding lifespans.

Chen Qi and Lou Baiyue, both being the oldest 9th Deathless, should be 7 layers above baseline, since they should've reached 7th level of 9th Deathless.

 

[XDragnoir]

Yes, Shinji and Hitsugaya are clearly still able to talk while under the effect of KS.

 

[Lynieryz]

Yes, Shinji and Hitsugaya are clearly still able to talk while under the effect of KS.

→→→WHEN DID KS EVER STOP PEOPLE FROM TALKING?←←←

 

[Unqver]

Teen In White is 2 layers, possibly 7 layers above baseline.

In the upgrade thread, it's mentioned that 9th Deathless has 7 levels, and that's excluding lifespans.

Chen Qi and Lou Baiyue, both being the oldest 9th Deathless, should be 7 layers above baseline, since they should've reached 7th level of 9th Deathless.

chenqi and loubaiyueThere is no evidence that they are stronger than the Teen in white, and wenhong is the strongest In Gu chensha's group, although he is close to understanding the meaning of the tenth level of immortality.These two are either beyond the tenth level of immortality, or there is longevity in the ninth level of immortality.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

7. Toujou Karuna

8. Bunny

9. Makoto Kawashita

Unless I'm severely confused I don't think Kawashita should be below Bunny at all in High 8-C

Better Stamina, High Mid regen, Better LS, Poison manip that works against poison resistant characters (and can cause cellular corrosion), his ice manip, better intelligence etc. Only thing Bunny has is the time manip but without further elaboration Kawashita would win before its used.
So Kawashita should be in the 8th spot

 

[DavidTPPM]

He's not saying anything after falling into Kyōka Suigetsu, he's going to be motionless with everything he thinks he did being just an illusion including talking.

That's not how KS works or has even been shown to work .
Aizen is also NOT activating KS before T can speak.

It's not the same thing, in Bleach you have to affect the soul to affect the mind while in GOH you can affect the mind without having to affect the soul.

No, you have to affect the core element and the mind is a part of that. Like they're outright shown to be one and the same with Ogre who's stated to be "Just her mind" and her "spirit" at the same time.
Tataghata also has soul manipulation so idk what are you trying to argue ngl.

Huh??? What is the value of Tathagata's 4-A???

If it's this one, it's not 4-A??? Or is the table wrong??? I really don't know.

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Sorry, that's an error in my math. T scales to 1/190,000 of the 3B calc which is at best 7.1430537e+63J Joules, still good 1000x below baseline 3-C. That's on me…
I need to fix the shitty conversion in the note (how I wish we know used Joules instead)

 

[DavidTPPM]

Sorry, that's an error in my math.

Wait no it's not, you just read the wrong note … this is the correct note

• The 4-As like Ragnarok Arc Monkey King Mode Mori scales to 1/190,000 of the Star destruction calc (110.71 TeraFoe, possibly 71.43 ExaFoe)

Tataghatas 4-A scaling is
Tataghata > prime Okhwang + heavenly gods > Dante Okhwang ~ full power Mori Hui = Mori Jin WITHOUT jeabongchim.

 

[Nicetoderp]

Unless I'm severely confused I don't think Kawashita should be below Bunny at all in High 8-C

Bunny have time stop and time rewind on death.