Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0

[Shadowslash125]

Then wouldn't that mean Kuuga can beat Ji Ning? Since his 6-C key doesn't resist anything Kuuga can do.

 

[ZeedKZ]

I didn't read his range, yeah, it's a possibility. If this is too debatable, creating a Versus Thread might be the way to go.

Regarding Daphne, even if we take her madness hacks in account (which is wrong), they lack range enough to be an actual threat. Kuuga just raises his hands and ignite her atoms away.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Also, Obito would resist Daphne's madness manipulation anyways.

 

[deonment]

I mean anyways, he resists, his practicing of the Nuwa Visualization technique increases the potency of both his mind and soul (as they are one and the same) increases his defenses in regards to both, and so he just thinks and destroys Kuuga's soul

 

[Shadowslash125]

Wouldn't just be mind and soul manipulation going hand in hand? That won't really be much against the OA, let alone even get near Kuuga before Ji Ning burns into a crisp.

 

[ZeedKZ]

I mean anyways, he resists, his practicing of the Nuwa Visualization technique increases the potency of both his mind and soul (as they are one and the same) increases his defenses in regards to both, and so he just thinks and destroys Kuuga's soul

Issue is, under SBA conditions, Ji Ning lacks range enough to destroy his soul over a distance of 4 km. Kuuga's abilities massively outranges Ji Ning's.

 

[deonment]

Wouldn't just be mind and soul manipulation going hand in hand? That won't really be much against the OA, let alone even get near Kuuga before Ji Ning burns into a crisp.

1)Overwhelming aura doesn't mean much considering how it only applies the effect attached to the aura (in this case fear manip)
2)Why would he start with that against a visibly human opponent

 

[ZeedKZ]

I didn't understood the first point, but for the second, the aura is passive.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Overwhelming aura doesn't mean much considering how it only applies the effect attached to the aura (in this case fear manip)

I've already showed you the scan that not only was Kuuga affected by the fear manip, it also weakened him to the point that he forcibly reverted to a weaker form before being forcibly detransformed and collapsing, at which Kuuga himself described it as 'crushing'. There's a reason why it's OA + Fear hax, not Fear Hax via OA. And it's passive too.

Why would he start with that against a visibly human opponent

Not only does SBA consider each other to bring each other severe harm and that losing the matchup may bring consequences, Kuuga himself being in Ultimate Form makes it known that shit is real and the plasma ignition is valid.

 

[deonment]

I've already showed you the scan that not only was Kuuga affected by the fear manip, it also weakened him to the point that he forcibly reverted to a weaker form before being forcibly detransformed and collapsing, at which Kuuga himself described it as 'crushing'. There's a reason why it's OA + Fear hax, not Fear Hax via OA. And it's passive too.

Read the aura page, overwhelming aura on its own does nothing, and a "crushing" aura isn't new to cultivators, so all that's relevant here is the fear manip, which is resisted, esp since its from killing intent

Not only does SBA consider each other to bring each other severe harm and that losing the matchup may bring consequences, Kuuga himself being in Ultimate Form makes it known that shit is real and the plasma ignition is valid.

That doesn't mean he will start with it, SBA makes the characters willing to kill, but it doesn't change who they are or what they will start with

 

[ZeedKZ]

Read the aura page, overwhelming aura on its own does nothing, and a "crushing" aura isn't new to cultivators, so all that's relevant here is the fear manip, which is resisted, esp since its from killing intent

If it does not, then it wouldn't have its own section on the aura article.

Overwhelming – An aura which causes a variety of negative effects on the enemy. Effects range from weakness to unconsciousness to death (i.e., can kill by aura alone).

The crushing effects derivates from Yusuke's own statement of feeling crushed by Daguva's presence, enough to revert him to his weakest form. And Ji Ning has no resistance to fear manipulation.

That doesn't mean he will start with it, SBA makes the characters willing to kill, but it doesn't change who they are or what they will start with

Kuuga's literal first move when he achieved Ultimate was using the ignition ability.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Read the aura page, overwhelming aura on its own does nothing, and a "crushing" aura isn't new to cultivators, so all that's relevant here is the fear manip, which is resisted, esp since its from killing intent

That doesn't mean he will start with it, SBA makes the characters willing to kill, but it doesn't change who they are or what they will start with

Here's the scan again for your first point.

Here's the scan for your second point. This is literally his starting move.

 

[deonment]

Kuuga's literal first move when he achieved Ultimate was using the ignition ability.

Here's the scan for your second point. This is literally his starting move.

somebody starting with something once (even if it is the only time they have access to it), does not make it a starting move, they have to show that they use it consistently at the start of every fight (or have a reason for not starting with it in a fight they don't)

The crushing effects derivates from Yusuke's own statement of feeling crushed by Daguva's presence, enough to revert him to his weakest form. And Ji Ning has no resistance to fear manipulation.

Overwhelming aura literally does nothing on its own, its a vector through which other stuff is applied rather than a hax unto itself (hell this is less overwhelming and more fear-inducing, because a feeling of being crushed due to fear manip is something common across fiction)
Yeah and resistance to that stuff is wrapped up into the general soul/mind resistance, you resist that shit in verse through having a strong enough soul

 

[ZeedKZ]

somebody starting with something once (even if it is the only time they have access to it), does not make it a starting move, they have to show that they use it consistently at the start of every fight (or have a reason for not starting with it in a fight they don't)

????

Kuuga has literally one appearance in that form within the whole series, it is his first move against someone he has the goal of killing. It's Occam's razor, there is nothing that implies that he does not start with that move.

Overwhelming aura literally does nothing on its own, its a vector through which other stuff is applied rather than a hax unto itself (hell this is less overwhelming and more fear-inducing, because a feeling of being crushed due to fear manip is something common across fiction)

Then do a revision to remove that section from the Aura article if it truly does nothing as you mention. Being in fear and being "crushed" are both massively different feelings as one can be "crushed" without the influence of fear (as Godai himself did to some degree). One or two fictional works portraying them as the same is meaningless here.

Yeah and resistance to that stuff is wrapped up into the general soul/mind resistance, you resist that shit in verse through having a strong enough soul

I've seen nothing within his profile close to confirming your statement. You can resist having your soul and mind manipulated in X contexts, it does not gives you resistance to fear hacks unless it is explicitely shown. We do not give every character that resists reality warping a resistance to every single ability of the wiki just because they are sub-types of that power.

 

[ZeedKZ]

Can Kuuga survive layered soul destruction?

I never bothered to add Ning to 6C but he should be somewhere here (especially cause he defeated Obito twice already last year, but I am not interested on redoing it again).

Regardless. If he defeated Obito (who defeats Kuuga, as it was agreed on), then place him above both. Although I'm not that convinced.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

I nominate Puk Puck for both #14th 7-C, and #11th High 7-C.
For context, she passively brainwashes anyone who looks at her or hears her voice. But the 7-C above her, Hollow, resists mind manipulation, and the High 7-C above her, Erma, appears to resist sight-based mind manipulation.

Sorry for the bump, but you missed this.

Also, the link for Hollow (7-C #13, and Low 7-C #13) is broken. The correct profile link is this.

 

[Nicetoderp]

somebody starting with something once (even if it is the only time they have access to it), does not make it a starting move, they have to show that they use it consistently at the start of every fight (or have a reason for not starting with it in a fight they don't)

That's...a weird statement to make. Kuuga going into that form in the first place mean he's going for the kill no if or but, and the easiest way to kill someone was, you guess it, raise his hand at someone else.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Okhwang got a profile rework so he should be usable for the list now. He should go at least for number 10 above Garou in 4-A for now, I'll see if he gets any higher than that.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Uhhh why is Daphne above Obito?

Daphne vs Obito (Top 10 strongest non-smurf) Re:Zero vs Naruto

Tobi vs Witch of Gluttony SBA Both are tier 6C

vsbattles.com

 

[Fezzih_007]

As for Daphne, her madness manip still seems to be on her profile despite a crt with Celestial_Pegasus and Dereck agreeing to this. For the moment, we are unsure whether to just put her in the list of opponents Kuuga can beat or make a thread for this matchup.

Someone made a CRT and add It back in, trought I still disagree with her having.