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CH i agree. Ikki is left for debate.PsychoWarper said:
Also isn't Khorne limited to the sword skill of his own verse? As in, he's the concept of sword skill inside of warhammer. Same as we did with omniscient characters.
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Top 10 Strongest Swordsmen
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Also isn't Khorne limited to the sword skill of his own verse? As in, he's the concept of sword skill inside of warhammer. Same as we did with omniscient characters.
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I mean being the Platonic Concept for Sword Skill in a verse thats any extremely skilled verse is likely the best skill feat of anyone here.
Also do to the rules Ikki loses much of his good stuff so I really dont think he stays.
Also do to the rules Ikki loses much of his good stuff so I really dont think he stays.
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So you only need to completely negate 100% of his skill for Ikki to have a chance
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There is a glaring error in these listings, IMO.
That being, Drizzt Do'Urde isn't included. Pretty much all of the Soul Calibur characters would get shrekt skill-wise by Drizzt. Siegfried would be particularly easy pickings; that big (completely nonsensical) sword of his is a massive optical barrier, and Drizzt has a particular move--the "ghost step"--that exploits shit like that.
That being, Drizzt Do'Urde isn't included. Pretty much all of the Soul Calibur characters would get shrekt skill-wise by Drizzt. Siegfried would be particularly easy pickings; that big (completely nonsensical) sword of his is a massive optical barrier, and Drizzt has a particular move--the "ghost step"--that exploits shit like that.
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Extremely skilled in general sure, Khorne is literally composite warhammer sans emprah, but this is "strictly" to sword skills. So what are the feats of the verse with swords?PsychoWarper said:
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Literally everyone who has ever used a sword across all of time and infinite universes, including every Space Marine, Primarch, and even Emps.
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You realize that the type of sword has nothing to do with skill right? Not to mention Siegfried is skilled enough to match Nightmare/Inferno who has mastered countless different fighting styles including multiple forms of swordplay for at least hundreds of years. Not to mention being skilled enough to face other very skilled fighters with said large sword. And Algol is beyond even that.A Stoned Orc said:
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Drizzt defeated Marilith, the nanesake of the six-armed snake woman demons from the Abyss, who has existed for tens of thousands of years and mastered how to fight with six different weapons with the utmost efficiency and lethality.
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Just because you existed for thousands of years doesn't make you skilled. Skill depends on what you do for those years. Also 6 different weapons doesn't measure to Nightmare/Inferno's countless different ones.
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Perhaps you misunderstood what I meant. Marilith fights with six weapons at once, and honed her skills for tens of thousands of years battling other demons and mortals in the Abyss and other realms of existence. Drizzt beat her solo, with just two swords, in his Hunter state.Dragonmasterxyz said:
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Okay, so that puts him above Inferno in skill, but even then, doesn't mean he'd easily win, that's just insulting and downplay. And this doesn't mean a SC character shouldn't be on the list. Especially seeing as you decided to single them out.
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Not saying that they shouldn't be on the list, and sorry if I offended you by singling them out, but I just thought of my experience with SC compared to reading Drizzt (besides Ruroni Kenshin, Soul Calibur is the only one on the list I have any first-hand experience with), and it just didn't compare in my head. >_>Dragonmasterxyz said:
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This isn't going to work
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I fully disagree with CH being that high above in that list to be honest. Hes limited to what is realistically possible in real life.
Sion fought against someone who passivly eroded her physical specs down, she talked about a penalty of 80% of her strength being straight up gone. Her body was so destroyed that she clinged on life through will alone and her enemy would have oneshotted her with a single touch of her weapon, deflecting oneshotting Danmaku and teleport attacks through skill and experience alone.
Sion became the strongest Knight in the entire universe through sword skill alone. In a setting where people can level entire fleets with their super powers, where the greatest recruits from planets around the universe are absolute fodder and where a single mistake, and be it a small one, can lead to instant death, she earned it through skill alone. She could copy entire martial arts after seeing them once and even recreate the concept behind them (For example, the martial art of a famous king. The technique was still there but not the theory, leading it to be a show martial art with no combat merit whatsoever). Sion recreated that theory after seeing it once, finding out every purpose in every small movement within that form and made it a combat art for her family again. And that was when she was a kid.
Sion fought against someone who passivly eroded her physical specs down, she talked about a penalty of 80% of her strength being straight up gone. Her body was so destroyed that she clinged on life through will alone and her enemy would have oneshotted her with a single touch of her weapon, deflecting oneshotting Danmaku and teleport attacks through skill and experience alone.
Sion became the strongest Knight in the entire universe through sword skill alone. In a setting where people can level entire fleets with their super powers, where the greatest recruits from planets around the universe are absolute fodder and where a single mistake, and be it a small one, can lead to instant death, she earned it through skill alone. She could copy entire martial arts after seeing them once and even recreate the concept behind them (For example, the martial art of a famous king. The technique was still there but not the theory, leading it to be a show martial art with no combat merit whatsoever). Sion recreated that theory after seeing it once, finding out every purpose in every small movement within that form and made it a combat art for her family again. And that was when she was a kid.
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...Okay, so just because you have superpowers, doesn't mean you're a better swordsman, just saying. In terms of skill, CH has the collective skill at arms of every knight, every fencer, every samurai, every Roman gladiator and legionary, every Greek warrior and Viking lord, etc.--the entire collective of human knowledge regarding swordfighting, and how swordfighting works in real life. Just because CH can't swing around a sword the size of a skyscraper or go full shonen protag' isn't a detriment to his skill. In the case of the former, it actually makes CH better, in my eyes, because even in a world where magic exists, it'd make much more sense to apply that magic to a normally-sized, practical weapon.
..Not that I still necessarily agree with CH's ranking on the list. Swords, specifically, have only been around for a few thousand years in real life.
But I guess if you did the math of an average human lifespan, and how many people have lived and died since swords were invented, and how many of them learned how to properly use various swords, you'd probably still get a total experience level somewhere in the hundreds of thousands of years, at the minimum.
..Not that I still necessarily agree with CH's ranking on the list. Swords, specifically, have only been around for a few thousand years in real life.
But I guess if you did the math of an average human lifespan, and how many people have lived and died since swords were invented, and how many of them learned how to properly use various swords, you'd probably still get a total experience level somewhere in the hundreds of thousands of years, at the minimum.
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But thats literally what Sion does? Sion has absolutly no super power she could abuse. Everything she does is done with a sword and her experience and skill with it.
The problem with CH is that everything he does can be realisticaly archieved. Most entrys here already surpasses natural talent by a gigantic margin. The worlds best fencer is nothing compared to Sion, whos skill with the sword is already regarded the best in the entire universe, throughout humanitys history, including earth and its early civilization. And no, im not trying to cross scale or anything here. The sheer scale difference here is the problem. I can guarantee you, even with equalised stats, CH would stand no chance against someone who passivly erodes its stats to the point where you barely cling to your life. Sion won that duel, with a body so in tatterns that she could barely hold her sword ON top of getting her stats smashed into smithens.She won it in a straight sword duel with no bullshit ability, no PiS and no CiS at all.
The problem with CH is that everything he does can be realisticaly archieved. Most entrys here already surpasses natural talent by a gigantic margin. The worlds best fencer is nothing compared to Sion, whos skill with the sword is already regarded the best in the entire universe, throughout humanitys history, including earth and its early civilization. And no, im not trying to cross scale or anything here. The sheer scale difference here is the problem. I can guarantee you, even with equalised stats, CH would stand no chance against someone who passivly erodes its stats to the point where you barely cling to your life. Sion won that duel, with a body so in tatterns that she could barely hold her sword ON top of getting her stats smashed into smithens.She won it in a straight sword duel with no bullshit ability, no PiS and no CiS at all.
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Do lightsaber count as swords? Because Darth Sidious should be here if that's the case
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Sasaki Kojirou should be higher if not 1st. I won't give any arguments as John985 brought it. Before someone says something regarding Ikki (as I'm sure someone will say) - don't bother I won't bring any argument as this subject was debated "n" times and will only bring negativity here. That's my opinion.
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While maybe not 1st spot i vouch The Operator. He's responsable for everything the warframes do. Their every move, their every mastery. Which means mastery over literally every kind of sword and dagger. Precise enough to cut down hundreds of bullets, immense stat amps etc.
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Stat amps and Mastery over other weapons doesn't matter since this is purely talking about sword skill
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Stat amp via mastery is what i mean.WeeklyBattles said:
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Sion should honestly be over Musashi, Rurouni Kenshi and Soul Calibour.
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Musashi from Baki is definitely above Composite Human
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I mean you can only use powers that are from sword skill, such as some Fate servants being able to break Casuality or Fate via sheer skill with the sword.
Also Soujirou Mibu should also be higher since he can cut concepts and the furture with his sword.
Also Soujirou Mibu should also be higher since he can cut concepts and the furture with his sword.
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Definitely. To rehash my arguments from above, Fifteen would defeat composite human even with their ressurection turned off, since all their other hax tie directly into their swordsmanship other than rewind, but the sword saints from Fate and Musashi from baki would be able to defeat 15EmperorDoom25 said:
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Maybe, but I haven't heard anything that would put him on the level of the operator.
In retrospect, I think I put 3-4 of the peeps in the number 2 spot a bit too high (Because I read some of the stuff about them before other people were mentioned/expanded on)
I'll change it later.
In retrospect, I think I put 3-4 of the peeps in the number 2 spot a bit too high (Because I read some of the stuff about them before other people were mentioned/expanded on)
I'll change it later.
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Musashi's "powers" is from a sword skill
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Still believe Tactimon should be higher from what I posted. What puts him below Drizzt or Ikki?
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Well, both are getting booted from the 2nd spot.Dragonmasterxyz said:
Also, Protagonist (Mysteries of Baroque) is getting added, and Yasuo's getting booted from his placement, and a few of the lower tiers are getting removed altogether.
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What does that have to do with sword skill?Yobo Blue said:
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Curious on where you guys think he should goGenericstickman said:
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Musashi(Baki) for the 6th spot. He can do abstract cuts (can cut people with imaginary swords) with pure skill. No one in the world managed to learn that technique, so he should be above CH
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I question Khorne being 1st, i question him being in the list at all. A dude sitting on a chair who has never picked up a sword before shouldn't be "the strongest swordmaster" just because "muh im the skill of all skills".
Also what makes oryx a good swordsmaster? Isn't most of his stuff raw hax?
Also what makes oryx a good swordsmaster? Isn't most of his stuff raw hax?
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