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Top 10 strongest non smurfs.

Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
Yhwach resists conceptual power null and Nocturne can't even see him.
ok maybe yhwach would resist it, nocturne is an amalgation of nightmares reiatsu crush would not touch him.
 
and Mimihagi and Pernida are the embodiments of Evolution and Stagnation. Unless you're arguing Nocturne doesn't have a soul he passively dies or he has abstract existence? Aizen also 1 shot a train that governs time, and that is made of time currents with power alone.
 
Rocker1189 said:
ok maybe yhwach would resist it, nocturne is an amalgation of nightmares reiatsu crush would not touch him.
Shouldn't Noc have Abstract Existence if that was the case?
 
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
and Mimihagi and Pernida are the embodiments of Evolution and Stagnation. Unless you're arguing Nocturne doesn't have a soul he passively dies or he has abstract existence? Aizen also 1 shot a train that governs time, and that is made of time currents with power alone.
Noc doesnt have a soul, he's literally just a sentient nightmare

And yeah he should actually have AE
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Noc doesnt have a soul, he's literally just a sentient nightmare

And yeah he should actually have AE
Well, if he has AE, then Yhwach isn't touching him, literally.
 
nocturne was created in the spirit realm before coming into the real world, I dont know what that is meant to grant him? Just NPI?
 
A go to sleep and my boi Kars still ain't on the list, smh.
 
Kars should be above Medaka and Kumagawa and below Jessica.
 
Sir Ovens said:
Kars should be above Medaka and Kumagawa and below Jessica.
Yes but didn't Kars get stomped by Yhwach via reiatsu crush and many other things. Yhwach, someone Medaka inconclusived.
 
And yet, Kars beat Medaka. A>B>C doesn't always work, and when it comes down to it, Kars blitzes speed unequalized.
 
Anyway I don't know why Iihiko is so high up there. He can't ignore durability, or interact with souls. The best he is is a stone wall.

Hell, the best he can do to Kars is stalemate him forever because he has no way to kill Kars' Stands.
 
Heck, most of these characters get blitzed by much faster characters anyway. Elder Titan should be up there via speed alone.
 
He can ignore durability, the thread trying to downgrade that was just closed.

Look the thread went into flame war so do not bring that up please. The fact that Kars can stalemate him by getting continously killed does not make kars equal when he loses to literally everybody else Iihiko beats starting from yhwach, mind haxers etc.

Also i will let people decide here whether they want to have (speed equal unequal or keep it as it is with speed equal)
 
Kars stalemates through blitz then. Almost no one on the list can deal with Kars when he reaches infinite speed without using passive hax.
 
Next added rule be like: abilities that Medaka Box characters cant counter are forbidden.
 
PaChi2 said:
Nowhere its stated thar speed is equal, ma
Couldn't you guess from Noc being below The Operator despite Immesurable. That's why im saying whether i should make 2 lists or keep it as it is.

Actually pachi i have a better idea. How about you make the thread this time? This thread is already over 438 msgs long. About time to make another one, you make it this time with your rules. :)
 
Dunno what difference it'll make as far as placement, but Jessica got a couple of new additions. She passively negs things now.
 
MrKingOfNegativity said:
Dunno what difference it'll make as far as placement, but Jessica got a couple of new additions. She passively negs things now.
She has no feats of affecting powers though does she? Only physical attacks.
 
Do you really think a terrifying majority of the Nightside would be unable to kill her if physical attacks were the only thing she could negate with her powers?

This is the same city where characters like The Jonah are considered fodder, and even shop owners, construction workers and common organized criminals have access to shit like "description theory bombs", time-reversing spells and chaos dice. (Yes, the same kind that John has)

The only reason she's not outright disqualified from a non-smurf thread is because, as far as I can remember, she's never encountered an Outsider or other cosmic being. (And because John being deathly afraid of her comes from the series' early period where he was subconsciously holding back most of his power or something)
 
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