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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued

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So, since Ji apparently inco with Calyrex while he defeat Megicula should she become fifth place? Share fourth place do to inco with Calyrex? Or should she left the list since Arifureta characters resist her thing (curses).

Also, as Noneless said the things from the recent crts are beginning to be applied to the profiles so in a weak or so the profiles will be complete so then the matches for higher places will begin.
 
Expectro2000xxx said:
So, since Ji apparently inco with Calyrex while he defeat Megicula should she become fifth place? Share fourth place do to inco with Calyrex? Or should she left the list since Arifureta characters resist her thing (curses).

Also, as Noneless said the things from the recent crts are beginning to be applied to the profiles so in a weak or so the profiles will be complete so then the matches for higher places will begin.
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I mean Calyrex Ice Rider Incons with her, but Calyrex Shadow Rider beats her
Ning Incons with either form of Calyrex (as the main wincon was not exclusive to one of the forms)
so she should be 5th as she loses to one of the forms of Calyrex
 
Deceived said:
Bleach has just gone through a massive ap upgrade revision right now.

They're no longer 5-B/5-A but rather High 4-C/4-B.

So they need to be removed from 5-B and 5-A respectively.
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The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:
Since there's a free spot in 5-A can Oltura come back?

*Passive deconstruction
*Almost instant Mind and Madness manipulation over hundreds of kilometres
*Various forms of negating durability
*Immorality/Regen/Self-Resurrection
*A decent amount of resists.
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So about that free spot...
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
added what does he have in this key? I want to see if he can be higher
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Even if speed is equal he will still be faster thanks to Extreme Piercing which is also regen neg, space-time hax that ignore spatial and dimensional means be them forcefields, shields, other worlds so he will always be able to pierce his target no matter how they try to hide or defend. Type 4 immortality as he has 2 him, one that is always out fighting and one in another space which can recreate the other by spliting its soul of he should die, type 8 immortality on his mirage world which exist in another space too which will make him exist as long as it does...plus soul/mine/mirage hax with it and can make it supersede the reality making it become his mirage world where he is everything there thus omnipresent and much more.
 
Mortal Knight (Silver Moon < Legend) < Sky (Early < Mid < Late < Peak) < Saint (Early < Mid < Late < Peak < Era Suppressing) < Demigod (Early < Mid < Late) < Deity ... Plus for any power to even reach him they must first bypass dimension and reach him in the Mirage World which will once again null a part if not all (depending on how powerful the attack/power is) and then even if it reaches and hits him he can disperse the whole attack on the entire Mirage World making the "attack" only have little effect on him.

Plus before even these come in contact X must be able to interact with Transcendent Matter from which he is made of which exist in a different dimension as any other thing will pass through him like a knife through smoke. What can affect Transcend Matter? True Meanings = Laws. Every and each of his attacks are Laws. Then an even further he can turn himself into an illusion which can make him bypass even further attacks. While the Mirage World stands at the peak of his defensive arts here.

He never showed if he can resist a black hole as it wasn't shown till the next realm of his but he can resist similar attacks that are created by breaking space and suck things within or space-time hax that does the same or even void/nothingness attacks thanks to his special body/soul. At the same time...not like it would matter if it can't bypass the Mirage World.
 
Remove characters of Pokémon from 2-A and 2-B as Arceus is a smurf now and I don't think the Creation Trio hold up as much without it.
 
Thing is that the avatar in itself goes from 2-B to 2-A, and per SBA we go with the strongest condition of a character (And so just using tier 2 true form isn't valid), so even in the possibility the true form is Low 1-C and all, the tier 2 avatar would still inherit stuff from it, thus smurf.
 
Bobsican said:
Thing is that the avatar in itself goes from 2-B to 2-A, and per SBA we go with the strongest condition of a character, so even in the possibility the true form is Low 1-C and all, the tier 2 avatar would still inherit stuff from it.
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"Tier: At least 2-B, likely 2-A | At least 2-B, likely 2-A, possibly Low 1-C"

We don't count the avatars here, we count the ladder key, which is the big Boi and the one who still has a 2-B and 2-A, exactly like I was saying
 
That really depends on whether or not we don't go by SBA in terms of the strongest condition of a character, but rather go with the possibility as indexed on a page where the character isn't a smurf.
If we count SBA, we'd just go with the avatar key with the true form being tier 1, and thus smurf, or otherwise go for a more non-standard approach and take that it just isn't by grabbing the true form 2-A possibility.
 
Bobsican said:
That really depends on whether or not we don't go by SBA in terms of the strongest condition of a character, but rather go with the possibility as indexed on a page where the character isn't a smurf.
If we count SBA, we'd just go with the avatar key with the true form being tier 1, and thus smurf, or otherwise go for a more non-standard approach and take that it just isn't by grabbing the true form 2-A possibility.
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Bobiscan, the avatars are not under any circumstances the ones who are on the list, the second key true forms are, we aren't talking about the Llama were talking about the golden light, the one thing about SBA we tell to **** off here is the whole "Strongest key" thing, how do you think Emprah is even on the 4-B and 4-A placements on the smurf list even though he's got a 1-A key?
 
Well, strongest within the specified tier, as usual.
So in Arceus' case it'd be a tier 2 avatar with a Low 1-C true form, unless you want to argue that a 2-A true form with no smurf hax is stronger???
 
Bobsican said:
Well, strongest within the specified tier, as usual.
So in Arceus' case it'd be a tier 2 avatar with a Low 1-C true form, unless you want to argue that a 2-A true form with no smurf hax is stronger???
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If we were talking about the smurf list, you'd be right. We are not talking about the smurf list. Arceus's second key can be 2-B and 2-A, is this hard to understand?
 
Bobsican said:
Remove characters of Pokémon from 2-A and 2-B as Arceus is a smurf now and I don't think the Creation Trio hold up as much without it.
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Dude even if Arceus was a Smurf 2-B would still be a easy stomp for them as they cannot be effected by anything in it and have BFR
and 2-A they would still deserve the placement. (Arceus should be higher right now but you couldn't upgrade him to higher spots because he has been under changes for the past few months)
 
Zaratthustra said:
Mortal Knight (Silver Moon < Legend) < Sky (Early < Mid < Late < Peak) < Saint (Early < Mid < Late < Peak < Era Suppressing) < Demigod (Early < Mid < Late) < Deity ... Plus for any power to even reach him they must first bypass dimension and reach him in the Mirage World which will once again null a part if not all (depending on how powerful the attack/power is) and then even if it reaches and hits him he can disperse the whole attack on the entire Mirage World making the "attack" only have little effect on him.

Plus before even these come in contact X must be able to interact with Transcendent Matter from which he is made of which exist in a different dimension as any other thing will pass through him like a knife through smoke. What can affect Transcend Matter? True Meanings = Laws. Every and each of his attacks are Laws. Then an even further he can turn himself into an illusion which can make him bypass even further attacks. While the Mirage World stands at the peak of his defensive arts here.

He never showed if he can resist a black hole as it wasn't shown till the next realm of his but he can resist similar attacks that are created by breaking space and suck things within or space-time hax that does the same or even void/nothingness attacks thanks to his special body/soul. At the same time...not like it would matter if it can't bypass the Mirage World.
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he looks like he can be above akron. Any objections
 
if it is to compete with yugioh it isnt just mindhax, mindhax results from other shit, and they also have other passives which could or could not matter
 
Before even thinking of hax affecting him, it must first reach him within the Mirage World and then even harder to reach the hidden space where the Laws of the world themselves exist (to affect the second Xue). Mirage World is a grade higher Law than the Fantasy Law which is a Grade higher than the Illusion Law as Mirage is the source of all such powers. Then you get his mind res for each realm previously said for power null (just that it starts from the Sky realm). His Mirage hax is good enough that it affected the entire Xia world which has several millions of cultivators (in the same realm as him or close), then even more but weaker cultivators, with their own layers, and then mortals whose number is vastly higher and other innumerable beings as he can become one with everything within his range through the control of Mirage/World Law - could say its range but this worked even on beings of the higher realm than him such as the Demonic Deity (who is a World Deity - so even more layers) and Sorcerer Deity (same situation as Demonic Deity).

But in the end, first and foremost they must be able to reach him within the Mirage World.
 
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