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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued (again)

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Psychomaster35 said:
Isn't Universal+ range smurf? Because Lazer seems to have an ability within that range, so he should be removed for that spot in 5-A.

Speaking of 5-A, I may as well fill in SpongeBob for the empty 5-A, High 7-C, and 8-B slots. Not only does he have a wall of resistances, but regeneration, duplication, immortality, and luck make him difficult to kill.
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The range was made when Reset used to have that tier due to affecting someone that CAN be Low 2-C.

Of course, we remove that because that's whack. And Lazer doesn't even HAVE the time rewind version.
 
For 10-B I would say that Barrump Barrump (current #5) almost certainly gets stomped everyone beneath him, except maybe Yuuri and Teruhashi. (Although, I think Yuuri wins at least 50% of the time, likely more since it's thought vs button press) All the others either have passives or he can straight up not affect them.
I would suggest to just replace him Yukio (or move Barrump down to below Hinata at least). Yukio (probably) wins against Shichinen Misaki and almost certainly against Yuuri and Akane. I think he would lose against Hinata and Teruhashi, though, so how to place him is kinda debatable.

Also, made a thread for Teruhashi vs Hinata a while ago. Currently, it seems quite balanced. Unless that changes, I think they could be put in the same spot as they have a very similar powerset.
 
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Fang Xiu for 1st Low 1-A
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Rakih_Elyan said:
Fang Xiu for 1st Low 1-A
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Fang Xiu is the Protagonist of Rebirth Dominator and originally thought he was simply a normal person. That was until one day he was killed, assassinated in the middle of the day by a man with an axe. It was at that moment while he was dying that Fang Xiu learned that he was special. Entering...
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the guy has 1A immortality
 
I go off for some time and there's a new thread with 7 pages already? Wow.

Anyways, looking at my favourite verses, I think that Kirby can fit for 6th or 7th spot on 4-A depending on if he can beat the Announcer or not. He probably dies to Godcat though so no higher than that...
 
Also Chen Qi should share 1st place with Gu Chensha in 2-A.

I don't see any character on the list that can interact with him because he contains stories and embodies them.

Not to mention he has NEP and transdual. He is also a protagonist which gives him greater narrative presence (plot manipulation).
 
Dust_Collector said:
So took a look at the tenth, ninth, and eighth places for High 6-A and thought I'd give this a shot before I go to bed. Maybe this funny pig demon could sneak into High 6-A thanks to his hax and low-godly regen? I'm very tired and barely skimmed the profiles for the people in the 10, 9, & 8 spots so maybe I'm very wrong and Ganon has no business being there.
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Unfortunately, Ganon doesn't seem to have any sort of resistances to mindhax (let alone heavily layered mindhax), which means Reisen looks at him funny and he is either mind controlled, pacified, or driven insane. This is not including a youkai's aura, which upon inducing fear in a target, allows the youkai to eat their spirit (soul/mind/emotions/stamina/chi/statistics... basically everything lol). This aura even breaks through sealing, and Ganon doesn't have any real ways around mid-godly, so he likely just gets incapped almost immediately.

He can probably win via BFR, but I would consider that much less reliable than thought-based/passive hax.
 
oh **** i didnt realize calamity ganon was high 6-A because his p&a was after the sealing war lol

Thankfully I don't thiiiink any of BoTW Link and Zelda's abilities being resisted would be relevant here? They don't seem to include mindhax of any kind, so while Ganon has more wincons in this state, he won't really use them since the fight will end before it even begins.
 
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:
oh **** i didnt realize calamity ganon was high 6-A because his p&a was after the sealing war lol

Thankfully I don't thiiiink any of BoTW Link and Zelda's abilities being resisted would be relevant here? They don't seem to include mindhax of any kind, so while Ganon has more wincons in this state, he won't really use them since the fight will end before it even begins.
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Nah he's not that high, currently Calamity Ganon is 6-C (For some reason his stats are mixed with base Ganondorf, who himself doesn't have any business being that high anyway) and he's getting upgraded to High 6-C soon, but he's not and won't be High 6-A. His p&a is only after the sealing war because canonically Calamity Ganon is the current incarnation of the dude.
 
Dust_Collector said:
Nah he's not that high, currently Calamity Ganon is 6-C (For some reason his stats are mixed with base Ganondorf, who himself doesn't have any business being that high anyway) and he's getting upgraded to High 6-C soon, but he's not and won't be High 6-A. His p&a is only after the sealing war because canonically Calamity Ganon is the current incarnation of the dude.
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Gotcha, that makes more sense now. My stance remains on him just not being able to get past mindhax, so having wincons in theory won't do him much good. I don't talk much in these threads, but I assume being able to mind control someone/drive them insane is just as valid a wincon as killing them, yeah?

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Nothing to see here
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Do they have any way to permakill youkai with mid-godly and resistances to soul/mind/matter hax? The only real advantage I see is resistance to mind/soulhax, but Touhou hax are decently layered in that regard so idk.
 
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara said:
Do they have any way to permakill youkai with mid-godly and resistances to soul/mind/matter hax? The only real advantage I see is resistance to mind/soulhax, but Touhou hax are decently layered in that regard so idk.
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he is already in the list my dumbass just looked at 6-A not High 6-A
sleepdeprived goofiness
 
it almost sounds like there is enoguh contenders in H6A for small tournament from what i read. i could be wrong though
 
Actually, on that note, I wanna propose Reisen getting to #9 instead of The Beast. The latter doesn't have resistance to mindhax, so again, Reisen just claps his ass by thinking. The Beast doesn't seem to have NPI either, which means literally nothing he does can even touch Reisen (which means power null/absorption won't work), let alone kill/incap her.
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
Fang Xiu for 1st Low 1-A
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Oh come on this guy for the first on Low 1-A
 
RoTt35 said:
Hello, maybe Jean Grey (Pre-Retcon) for 10-B and Jean Grey (Post-Retcon) for 10-A and 9-A could have a slot. She mainly uses mind hax and thought based TK and matter deconstruction
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For 10-B I suppose Yuuri could be thrown out (think Jean takes the fight most of the time) and Jean could get spot #10.
She doesn't resist the social influencing for Teruhashi and Hinata.
Most of her powers wouldn't work and Akane, who can in turn hax her dead. (and the curse would likely undo any mind attack after some time anyway)
The Shichinin Misaki would passive her and be unaffected by her powers.
And Yukio has his soul stuff.
So the rest of the people should still be above her.
 
I propose White Face for a place in the Low 2-C list. He have High Godly, Immortality Type 8, EE, CM Type 2 and other useful haxes. I think he might defeat Saint Seiya characters, but for now the lower place will be fine.
 
Was this ever updated?
Because I don't see how Pokémon can ever be below puella magi characters. :/
 
Ego said:
Was this ever updated?
Because I don't see how Pokémon can ever be below puella magi characters. :/
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This is non smurfs so Arceus isn’t included (even though they do Incon PMM and PMM really seems to be carried by type 5 acasuality)
 
Come to think of it though, they should share the spot. PMMM has type 5 but does she have anyway to put down the pokemon?
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Come to think of it though, they should share the spot. PMMM has type 5 but does she have anyway to put down the pokemon?
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I don't think she can kill them
The only hax she has that would tickle them a bit is CM1
Everything else they have is a piece of cake for them
 
Ego said:
I don't think she can kill them
The only hax she has that would tickle them a bit is CM1
Everything else they have is a piece of cake for them
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Then they should share via incon. I've always wondered why she's no.1 simply by hiding behind Acausality 5 when she can't do anything to her opponents
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Then they should share via incon. I've always wondered why she's no.1 simply by hiding behind Acausality 5 when she can't do anything to her opponents
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That's the only reason she isn't curbstomped by other characters like the creation trio
She also has high godly though
 
But the Creation Trio loses against people that are placed lower than PMMM's characters, right? Like Lavos, Exdeath and Sora (for Shulk a match should be done since they might defeat him).
 
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